quitting TRT cold turkey - need HELP, please!!

**mrmcqueen** · 10-09-2012, 08:17 AM

Hello Everyone,

I started TRT Cream about 5 months ago. I dont have a Dr to monitor myself as I am living in Asia and where I live, the Docs dont know shit.
I started getting "blushes" and feeling tired, yawning etc and thought I might be low T. I got blood tests and was average, but was told that may not mean much and docs who know about trt usually go on "symptoms".
Anyhow, this blushing was really getting to me, I ordered some T cream from Australia and felt better with the blushing, didnt hardly blush. I felt overall better.
However, now though, I am not sold if it was more psychological or what. I would like to go off TRT for some months to re evaluate myself. Get tests done now whilst on it and then later when I am off it and see how I go.
I asked a Dr if he could help me with HCG and Clomid (in Japan) and he said he couldnt. I was wondering , if I go off it cold turkey would I F myself up? is it a sure thing?
I workout daily, take all the best supplements and eat clean...
OR should I order HCG and Clomid over the net (where?). I really want to try to get off TRT to see how I go. If after a few months I feel shit and understand I need to get back on TRT, then well and good.
Any advice would be great!
Thanks!!

**steroid.com 1** · 10-09-2012, 08:24 AM

You are no doubt HPTA suppressed now and you need to be restarted...it won't happen on it's own.

HCG and Clomid would be the necessary meds to get HPTA back up...and even then that's not 100% certain that it will happen.

Go to the PCT forum here and read up, you will find a wealth of info there as well.

You sourced Testosterone Cream successfully, you may need to do the same for your restart.

**mrmcqueen** · 10-09-2012, 08:31 AM

Thank you for your quick reply. I live in Japan. Its legal to order this stuff in for personal use. Where can I get HCG and Clomid from online? a safe and affordable place. Thank you again.

**bass** · 10-09-2012, 11:14 AM

you can get clomid and nolva from AR-R the sponsor, click on the banner in upper right corner. but what i don't understand is if you can buy testosterone without prescription why can't you buy hCG and clomid also?

**steroid.com 1** · 10-09-2012, 01:18 PM

^^^^Yea, what the wise one said!

**HRTstudent** · 10-09-2012, 04:03 PM

I just want to comment on this part in particular...

If after a few months I feel shit and understand I need to get back on TRT, then well and good.

It raises a flag for me because if you are wanting to see what life is like off of TRT, then you need to give it a fair shake. Now, nobody can tell you how your mind and body will handle the huge flux in hormones you will experience, but we do know it will happen. So, if it were ME, I would be saying at least an absolute minimum of 6 months off of TRT to give my body at least some chance at getting back to equilibrium.

Is it going to take 6 months? I don't know, my gut says for the most part things will probably be back to relative normal in around 12 weeks. But then that's basically my starting point for living life "normal". It's the same philosophy I had when I started TRT. I went through some, basically, shit therapies. It sucked. But the point is is that you need to give the right things the right amount of time to work.

Just my 2 cents... But I wouldn't bother coming off TRT if my cut-off point was something like 3 months. If I was in such a low place, however, where I was incapacitated or severely depressed then I would probably reverse course. But I would absolutely expect some lowering of mood to take place early on.

**bass** · 10-09-2012, 04:15 PM

i don't think I've ever read a success story of people coming off TRT. even if you can go back to your old self, you will still feel terrible just like you did prior to TRT. in most cases people will look forward once they start not back-words, forward meaning getting dialed in. what you're going through is a normal process, always a bumpy road in the beginning, but once you get on the highway you're cruising!

**hookergas** · 10-09-2012, 05:00 PM

Also try adding chrysin and vitrix or armidex it will definitely help, your body needs something cause its gonna crash and it will need all the help it can but its possible even without hcg and Clomid, the natural shit works wonders.

**Phased** · 10-09-2012, 05:41 PM

Guys I have been reading a lot about liquid that it degrades. Can anyone share any exp with it, I have never used the liquid form.

Best

**mrmcqueen** · 10-09-2012, 07:13 PM

I live in Japan. The place I get the cream from, dont seel clomid or HCG . I asked a Doc here if he could get it and he said no. Japan has strict pharmaceutical laws to protect its own industry.
I dont know, perhaps I can get it if a shop around with Docs.... but I dont want to waste time and just as importantly money. I would rather not F around and just order the stuff, take to my dr and ask him to inject the shit.
Ok, excuse my ignorance, both come as injectible right? if not, which is the best way to take and how much should I take?
Thank you.

**bass** · 10-09-2012, 10:30 PM

hCG is injectable, clomid and nolva are oral.

**mrmcqueen** · 10-10-2012, 12:06 AM

Thanks. How much is usually taken? Im 72kg male. Been on cream for around 5 months. Can I just do a months worth or best to do 2 months?

**bass** · 10-10-2012, 03:28 AM

For the short time you been on test you can do 4 to 5 weeks, this is just an example, 40 mgs clomid ed, 20 mgs nolva ed, and if you can get hCG inject 500 (I think you can go more) e3d.

**mrmcqueen** · 10-10-2012, 04:18 AM

Thanks bass. Can I just do the clomid and nolva? is it best to add the HCG . I hate needles.
I could not find the tablets on the sponsored site only liquid for clomid.
Thanks in advance.

**bass** · 10-10-2012, 09:34 AM

Yes you can, of course hCG will be a great addition but clomid and nolva should do it. Yes they are liquid from arr and they are good product.

**mrmcqueen** · 10-10-2012, 04:26 PM

where can I get clomid and nolva in tablet form - liquid obviously have to inject right?

**SEOINAGE** · 10-10-2012, 04:30 PM

Are you sure the flushing or redness in your face isn't just elevated E2? Can you get a panel for that done? Maybe low dose anastrozole will get you back to normal and not have to end trt. But if there are other reasons by all means, but there could be other factors than that as to why it's not quite working for you as well.

**mrmcqueen** · 10-10-2012, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by SEOINAGE

Are you sure the flushing or redness in your face isn't just elevated E2? Can you get a panel for that done? Maybe low dose anastrozole will get you back to normal and not have to end trt. But if there are other reasons by all means, but there could be other factors than that as to why it's not quite working for you as well.

no, I got hot flushed before starting trt, this is why I started it, or one of the reasons.

**SEOINAGE** · 10-10-2012, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by mrmcqueen

no, I got hot flushed before starting trt, this is why I started it, or one of the reasons.

Ok, people have given you good advice, but for sure make sure to try to do a strong restart, give it enough time too. There's a lot of people that it can work for and prevent the need for trt for the rest of your life. I honestly wish I had tried things on my own before, but I didn't know jack enough, and had lousy doctor at first. I hope you can get things figured out, I wish there were more doctors out there that want to help people and focus on these unique issues. I really hope you can find the support you need to improve.

**mrmcqueen** · 10-10-2012, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by SEOINAGE

Ok, people have given you good advice, but for sure make sure to try to do a strong restart, give it enough time too. There's a lot of people that it can work for and prevent the need for trt for the rest of your life. I honestly wish I had tried things on my own before, but I didn't know jack enough, and had lousy doctor at first. I hope you can get things figured out, I wish there were more doctors out there that want to help people and focus on these unique issues. I really hope you can find the support you need to improve.

Thank you.

update. just went to a Japanese Dr. useless. doesnt know shit about any of this. wouldnt help me out with clomid or hcg . I really am on my own. I see the banner above that sells clomid etc only sells liquid clomid and I am not doing needles.
I think I will just do it without anything apart from good supplements, diet, sleep, training and hopefully my nuts will get back soon enough. I anticipate I will feel like shit for some time, so at least I am aware of this...
unless anyone knows of a good site that sells tablet clomid??

**bass** · 10-10-2012, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by mrmcqueen

where can I get clomid and nolva in tablet form - liquid obviously have to inject right?

No, both are oral.

**mrmcqueen** · 10-11-2012, 02:53 AM

I could not find the nolva on that website. could you send me a link for that?
ok... so the clomid I just use a dropper and drink right? clomid will make quite a difference?

sorry, also do I take just clomid or nolva and clomid?

**mrmcqueen** · 10-11-2012, 07:13 AM

one more questions, if I were not to take clomid etc and just go off TRT, can I "tamper" off... by reducing my trt cream bit by bit or it makes not difference with going off cold turkey? as even a little bit of trt stops natural T and I would imagine not give the nuts a chance to re start.

**bass** · 10-11-2012, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by mrmcqueen

one more questions, if I were not to take clomid etc and just go off TRT, can I "tamper" off... by reducing my trt cream bit by bit or it makes not difference with going off cold turkey? as even a little bit of trt stops natural T and I would imagine not give the nuts a chance to re start.

No, it won't work. Best is to do proper PCT. You need both clomid and nolva. I'll see if I can find the link for you when I get to my desktop computer. On my Android now!

**mrmcqueen** · 10-11-2012, 06:53 PM

I tried to order from rrr but my card is an Australian cc and I live overseas in asia so it will not go through ; (
damn... I think bass unless you have another link to another good reputable website that is more cc friendly I will just use maca, tribulus, omega 3 and all the natural stuff. better than nothing. and just hang in there.
do you know of another site?
Thanks