21 Years Old - ADVICE NEEDED :)

[steroid.com 1]

Juced and kel have it correct; the OP went to a clinic with symptoms of a endocrine problem and all the clinic did was throw steroids at the problem and taking his money without conducting a proper medical diagnosis.

It's clinic like this one that give good legit TRT Docs a bad rap.

Follow the advice above; 21 your old men should not be on TRT protocols unless its a last resort cure.

[21yearsold]

Guys hate to say it but I already paid for this stuff. I'm definitely going to go get my E2 Assay done before I take any of the new AIs. I've had TWO Endos AND a primary care already prescribe/recommend this. Not saying you guys aren't great, but it seems a bit hard to believe that all three, including the primary care which I've had since like 8, are trying to rip me off.

[kelkel]

To be honest 21, most doc's just don't really know hormones or how to correct hormonal related issues unfortunately. That applies to the title endo or euro as well. You need to find one who understands. These docs aren't trained in this type of hormone therapy in med school. Only after if they go through A4M training or discipline themselves to that end. How long you've had a doctor does not relate to this.

So, you go and do the so called therapy which for some reason includes both a serm and and ai at the same time as well as other issues that I can't remember? Then you do their pct and finish that. Don't you think you're just going to end up right back where you started eventually or is your HPTA miraculously going to be better? You have not addressed the problem, only put a bandaid on it and maybe made it worse. Get yourself straightened out first, then if you want to cycle, etc., so be it.

Your analogy that since I bought it I'm going to use it is weak at best. If your car's brakes go bad and barely work are you going to keep driving it because "you bought it."

Sincerely good luck in what you choose. Your young and your health, long term, is paramount.

kel

[steroid.com 1]

You saw two Endos and a PCP and what was your official and final medical diagnosis?

Almost every well trained TRT Physician will tell you that TRT for men under 35 is a last resort protocol...this is pretty much for life and if you ever want kids in the future I hope you've given this all the serious consideration it requires.

You were given good advice here where diet and exercise along with some life style changes probably would have corrected your problem...or at the very least been attempted before starting a TRT protocol.

The clinic you are going to is no more then a hormone mill running men through in mass to increase revenues...trust me on that.

Don't take any of the AI until you get your E2 tested; although now it will probably be compromised because you already started your testosterone .

Good luck with things my friend, we only want the best for you and keep us updated using this thread.

gd

[21yearsold]

To be honest 21, most doc's just don't really know hormones or how to correct hormonal related issues unfortunately. That applies to the title endo or euro as well. You need to find one who understands. These docs aren't trained in this type of hormone therapy in med school. Only after if they go through A4M training or discipline themselves to that end. How long you've had a doctor does not relate to this.

So, you go and do the so called therapy which for some reason includes both a serm and and ai at the same time as well as other issues that I can't remember? Then you do their pct and finish that. Don't you think you're just going to end up right back where you started eventually or is your HPTA miraculously going to be better? You have not addressed the problem, only put a bandaid on it and maybe made it worse. Get yourself straightened out first, then if you want to cycle, etc., so be it.

Your analogy that since I bought it I'm going to use it is weak at best. If your car's brakes go bad and barely work are you going to keep driving it because "you bought it."

Sincerely good luck in what you choose. Your young and your health, long term, is paramount.

kel

OK- so what possible effects could occur long-term from me using this in a controlled, tested, monitored environment that WILL be my doctors? Like how can it end up badly later?

[Lunk1]

He wants to cycle!

[MyteeJ]

Hey 21 welcome and hope you feel better soon.

Do yourself a favor and listen to GD, Kel, and the others who are knowledgeable in TRT.

Don't mistake a "clinic"/supplier for a Dr either. Yes there are medical pro's who approve the dispensing but you clearly have other issues( especially at such a young age) that you need to look into.

I concur with the others who suggest trying to drop some lbs and see what good nutrition can do.

Hang in there.

[kelkel]

Your HPTA is not fully developed in most cases until you're approximately 24-25 yrs old. You've got issues somewhere already. Therefore AAS usage could possibly prohibit the proper development of that axis, whereas with proper medical treatment you may have been able to restore it.
Your clinic does not care about this in reality.

Again, good luck. Do some research.

kel

[21yearsold]

Guys-

I really appreciate it. I'm going to the Labs today to have an Estradiol done. Hopefully can get insurance to pay for it. Will be keeping you guys posted. Thanks!

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I am a Marine vet, was a SGt and when I went in at 18 I was not your John Wayne Marine. I was 5'10" and 175 lbs. It was the 70's and Arnoalds hey day and the only info you got was from Muscle & Fitness. I worked out and ate and for some meals I would have 4 pieces of Bread and 4 pats of butter with sugar sprinkeled on top ! I was carb out and going to gain weight at any cost ! I got into Supplements and took 2 shots a day and this started at 20. after 2 years of working out and pigging out. Well I started gaining and I was huge after a 4 yr supplement routine 6'2" and 235 lbs. BMI was not that well known then , to me any way. I was a 32 waist and a 52 jacket. I got out and slowed up but maintained for another 2 years. We thought when on supplements just eat every thing you could get in your mouth every 2 to 3 hrs.

Well the Thyroid Tabs were what hurt me the most when I could not get them any more, ny thyroid glad had stopped doing it's job. I started gaining bad weight and went to the doc and he said I was stupid and I had to deal with it and suggested a 1000 cal a day diet. I shot up to 260 lbs and looked like a baloon. So I went to energy supplements from the guy on the corner and I trashed 2 years of my life.

Now I am 53 6" and weight about 235 I am not obese (can't spell either) but I will not make the cover of any mag. My test level is around 100 and I suffer from deep depression, tiny jewels, no libido, grumpy ole man, and it is all because of the massive amounts of supplements I took 30 years ago that is destroying me now. I swear someone should commit you and find a specilist to figure out your issues Nutrision and not juc is a lot of the answer to a lot of teens and 20 year olds lack of gains and feel the need to cheat ! I hope these guys got your attention and you will not face the long term life I have managed to exist in ! Not to mention the Marine B.S. ? Get a grip and be healthy !

I am 53 and I have been searching finally for the past 2 weeks when I admitted what I had done to myself. Finding this site is the best thing that has happened in my life short of Jesus ! I had to work to find a real MD that does blood work and checks on things works with my emotions and is a caregiver. I have a thread started and I will keep you posted on what I will still have to go through to just reach livable life levels of hormones. BE SMART DON"T START !

[21yearsold]

I am a Marine vet, was a SGt and when I went in at 18 I was not you John Wayne Marine. I was 5'10" and 175 lbs. It was the 70's and Arnoalds hey ay and the only info you got was from Muscle & Fitness. I worked out and ate and for some meals I would have 4 pieces of Bread and 4 pats of butter with sugar sprinkeled on top ! I was carb out and going to gain weight at any cost ! I got into Supplements and took 2 shots a day and this started at 20. after 2 years of working out and pigging out. Well I started gaining and I was huge after a 4 yr supplement routine 6'2" and 235 lbd BMI was not that well known then , to me any way. I was a 32 waist and a 52 jacket. I got out and slowed up but maintained for another 2 years. We thought when on supplements just eat beverything you could get in your mouth every 2 to 3 hrs.

Well the Thyroid Tabs were what hurt me th most I started gaining bad weight and went to the doc and he said I was stupid and I had to deal with it and suggested a 1000 cal a day diet. I shot up to 260 lbs and looked like a baloon. So I went to energy supplements from the guy on the corner and I trashed 2 years of my life.

Now I am 53 6" and weight about 235 I am not obese but I will not make the cover of any mag. My test level is around 100 and I suffer from deep depression, tiny jewels, no libido, grumpy ole man, and it is all because of the massive amounts of supplements I took 30 years ago that is destroying me now. I swear someone should commit you and find a specilist to figure out your issues Nutrision and not juc is a lot of the answer to a lot of teens and 20 year olds lack of gains and feel the need to cheat ! I hope these guys got your attentionand you will not face the long term and life I have managed to exist in not to mention the Marine B.S. ? Get a grip and be healthy !

I am 53 and I have been searching finally for the past 2 weeks when I admitted what I had done to myself. Finding this site is the best thing that has happened in my life short of Jesus ! I had to work to find a real MD that does blood work and checks on things works with my emotions and is a caregiver. I have a thread started and I will keep you posted on what I will still have to go through to just reach livable life levels of hormones. BE SMART DON"T START !

I'm really sorry that all happened to you. Same sorta thing happened to my pops back in the 80s/90s he took primo. I don't plan on really taking anything Thyroid. Took 2 days of it one time and didn't like it. Have measured ALL levels possible and everything is normal except Test (Estro coming Monday/Tuesday). If you take a peek at my TRT thread, I go into much more detail and list BW. I don't ever want, nor will I shoot something into myself that isn't prescribed. However, stuff like Anavar , with sufficient AIs... doesn't seem like it could be a huge threat. Especially if I'm going to be on a 2x week blood test monitoring.

[21yearsold]

UPDATE

I spoke to both of my Dr.s today and they totally agreed that Estrodial was something to measure. One apologized profusely and stated he thought he had ordered it the first time. The other had his mind blown that he never had been trained to do that and I had brought it up to him! I was gonna refer him here XD!

Getting two tests Monday. However, the new treatment guy did say he was going to go ahead and last second bump up the dosages of the Tamoxifen /Anastrozole! THANKS GUYS!!!!!