53 Low T need advise Please 30 yrs since I took supplements

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

10-26-2012, 01:54 AM

I had sever trama and I am on an anti deprsent that is a party drug for 20+ers Xanax 8mg daily and 5 10mg Oxycodone daily perscribed by legit Pain management Group, not pll mill ! I hate the Crap but they make partial life function possible. I was a hard core supplement guy in my mid 20's easier to say what I didn't do than what I did do. Now I have an MD that dropped his teeth at my low T level.

I have never used HCG the way described in this thread but that was 30 years ago. my thought was nano, 300 sus, DB & HCG . I suffer from sever joint pain and depression 0 labido and I used to be a player and now I am a shut in almost. If my Doc that perscribed AndroGel to the price tag of $700.00 a pump container why would he not go for my idea or how should I present from the proper perpective medically ?

I was so bumed after I thought there was a majic bullet in the B.S. AndroGel at $700.00 I didn't even have the blood work re checked My body told me all I needed to know. Be sides the narcotics I am on; I have a blood clot condition known as DVT in my left lower calf and I have had awful Gout in my same left lower extremity , calf down. I need a Doc regimeinted routine because if it is perscribed I get 98% off most supplements Govt pays the tab. In case you failed to catch a jushy Marine can get things done even when in and out of depression. I feel when I am fighting for assistance I am feeling the best but then the valley. at 25 I had a 32 waist and weighted 230 at 6 ft & wore a 52 Sport Jacket now at 53 I have a 38 waist with belly fat weight 240 lbs and wear a 50 Dress jacket. I have to gain my mind control again but I know hormones and supplements will put my puzzled life back worth living because I never quit and I have burning willing desire I just need help !


Way back when 30 years ago supplements were vey expermential amoung rookie party animals and skuttle butt was where we got our knowledge and trial and error.

We would take supplements for up to 6 mths and then in off time replace it with HCG every other day and Proviron tabs every other day + nano all the time for 4 years !


HELP

HELP

[vetvso]

I am 10 years younger but I fully understand. As an ex paratrooper I could not figure out what was happening to my body. Took me 15 years before I did find out, and the US medical systems was no help. How could I loose capabilities that I practiced every day.

I just had my best work out today in 15 years, and you will too. My T level was 194 and my weight is 265. I take 200mg Test every two weeks and will split it to every week soon, and will be adding an Estrogen blocker once it arrives.

What is your T levels and post all other blood work.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I just found this site and to tell you the truth it was last year when I addressed the issue anf my T level was (78) and the MD put me on a double dose of Joint gel AndroGel to the tune of just short of $2000.00 I got on a Govt. Assistance program and it went down to $5.00 per mth no matter how many pumps. VA program. If I could find a good Doctor in the North GA. Area I Could Get well and get my self esteem back also. I have not found a source due to my lack of enviorment and I know help is out there due to what I did 30 yeras ago and what I have read here .

I welcome opinions ~!

[fit2bOld]

Feeling your Pain Buzzard, I'm a 50+ guy Check out the link finding a TRT DR. at the top of this forum.

Before you think about cycling i believe it to be in your best health to get your TRT protocol set and solid and verified by blood work.
It took you quite some time to get where you are now and will take time to get you back.
I too have pain issues (medicated as well) but go to the gym 5 days week and have made a commitment and sticking to it and it has help to reduce the amount of meds.

Last you dont need a source, do not self medicate, Lets get your hormones balanced and get you back in shape. Also visit the nutrition section.

Keep us posted and some of the other guys will chime in on this as well.
Fit.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Thanks for your encouragement ! As a sourse of explination I was refering to possibly an Endo Doc in my area that would work with me , Again thank you for the suggestion . I think my Low T is messing with on off depression and I was one of those stupid people that used to say there is no such thing as depression they are just weak minded people until it hiy me and it is a life stoper. No desire to do anything turbo charged in a bad way . A lot of the same signs as LOW T ? Feel free to share your thoughts or facts !

[steroid.com 1]

This ----> Last you dont need a source, do not self medicate, Lets get your hormones balanced and get you back in shape. Also visit the nutrition section.

Keep us posted and some of the other guys will chime in on this as well.
Fit.

Post everything in this thread as you progress do not start another one.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

"gdevine" Thanks I read your thread . . . .I think it was yours on HCG and I am taking that to my MD and My Endo next week. In a source I was refering to a doc I am way past the gamble of anything else, unless the right situtiation fell in my lap. I am going to find a doc. Just an after thought have you heard of VETS USING THE VA DUE TO EXPENCE ? Sorry about the caps I am a bad typest. I am getting in bad mental and life longevity issues and have to do something or I am going nuts . Well I am a Jar ahead so how far do I really have to go . . . . lol. I still have managed to maintain a sense of humor. As far as mental goes I stay depressed and don't have the energy to loose weight . .. . pisses me off I have never been fat and I am not obese just got that middle aged belly and no need ! Every Iternet site I go to is private and will not accept my disability Ins and a 6 mth TRT Professionally done with nutrission and estregen blockes + HCG from a Doc that specilizes in TRT is $3000.00 not really out ragious , just more than I can afford and that covers Blood work and 3 supplements and 200 of cyp ?1 cc or Ml I can't remember a week for 26 week.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I just got off the phone with my Primary MD and he said come in Mon. and he was from Texas and he was very knowledgable on TRT and What ever Ins Paid the best on was fine with him. He added my levels were so low a year ago that he would take a fresh 14 catagory blood test and use that for our new baes but would be willing to give me 2 Injection on Monday from my old low T numbers. He did not say the type of Test but he did agree to what ever I wanted on the phone ? ? ? ? He was kewl with HCG and the only catch is I see him every other week for the shots & a blood test from time to time + Ins will cover 90%. So what Injection do I want for a t level around 100 and I am headed to the nutrision section of this forum right now OOOOH ! RAAAAH !

[vetvso]

I was 194 and my doctor gives me 200mg every two weeks. I will split it to 100 soon, and even things out a bit. My last number was 580 or so, and after 5 weeks I have been able to get better work outs and was even able to jog. My last two workouts have been way better and stronger than expected. So it does take time and effort but it will help as the weeks go on.

[MyteeJ]

Thanks for your encouragement ! As a sourse of explination I was refering to possibly an Endo Doc in my area that would work with me , Again thank you for the suggestion . I think my Low T is messing with on off depression and I was one of those stupid people that used to say there is no such thing as depression they are just weak minded people until it hiy me and it is a life stoper. No desire to do anything turbo charged in a bad way . A lot of the same signs as LOW T ? Feel free to share your thoughts or facts !

Hey Buzz -

Looks like you are on the right track and I hope it works out for you.

Low T is definitely a drag on the mood and when you get started with your doc you should see a difference. It was a big difference maker for me and I am back to the high energy activity that I used to enjoy.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Hey guys thanks for all the info and I don't want to be a forum hog I am just desperate ! Can someone suggest which form of Test to request I Think Fast acting at 1st and then a depot ? Is Neibo available in the US by Doctors ? Please someone reccommend a type and amout for me to ask for ?

Dwight

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

1:30 Mon. 10-29-12. Hope to hear from a Pro before I go . If not I will post details when I get home tomorrow evening !

[vetvso]

I will try to help with what I have since it is in Chinese. I live in Taiwan and get my injection from the Hospital here. It says Testosterone Cypionate /1A 200MG on my paperwork, I however donot have a very knowedgable doctor and recieve it at the hospital every two weeks. I will be tryinh for every week at 100MG.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Thanks a bunch ! But I hope I will get larger dose in US ?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

OK Guys here we go up date ! Just got back from doc and store I got cyp 2000 mg/10 mL (200mg/mL)for $24.00 take 1 shot every other week and go back Jan 01-03-13 for more blood work and my T level today was under 100 (78) ! Am I still a GUY ? I am taking Magnesium 1200 mg with 60 mg cleated Zinc, 1200 mg Fish oil high in omega 3's, and Green Coffee Beans , trama ingestions oxcodone 6 10 mg daily , zanax 8 1 mg daily 12 wk LTR 3 mg daily , ambien, and Alapurnoial (Uric Acid blocker for Gout prevention), 1 adult asprin daily as blood thinner .

Today 10-29-12. Weight 245 lb and 6 ft tall. Going to start the gym daily tomorrow and unless you say different This is goals 4 sets 15 to 20 reps 3 exercises per muscle or 3 different exercises per muscle and do[(Chest / Shoulders) Cardio eliptical bike] I have a hip implant and due for knee surgery and[( Back / Bies,Cardio eliptical bike] and from old school trick to get arm bigger quicker[( blast tris alone with light sled work for legs and clings) have huge legs 18" calves and 32 thighs and not fat suprise just no definetion Cardio eliptical bike] My goal is follow the diet DVD from nutrision section about 220 grs of Protine and try to injest it every 3 to 4 hrs. and for the next 3 weeks train around 4 and complex carb in am and fiber carb befor training simple carb load during and after train.

I may be on Mars so please correct me on ant of your thought to mine. I am going to GNC tomorrow and get huge tub of Whey Protien ANY PARTICULAT BRAND ? + huge box of aminos and a post train drink powder please reccommend good one ? I took my 1st pok today and took a little over 1mL/ maybe cc from old sckool memory any way just a touch above the 1 looks like 10 cc of Watson. Going to endo in 4 weeks for HCG and hopefully adroil ? not to sure on the tabs, if he will persb.? Mod please pm me with private suggestion 53 and got almost the same test level Oh today is Monday and doc told me everyother week and I plan to hit it every 12 days.

goals for the gym feel way short 1 shot of Cyp and 1cc did nothing for my energy ! I need a booster shot and then level off but the doc wanted to get some amount of anything in me ASAP ! He looked at Suston I asked for ? He said he was from TX and off the cuff he said that out there (I'm in GA) so out there is TX said he could not perscribe it but (not approved by FDA in USA) he could direct his pacitents on where to go to get instruction on use and dose and he could not suggest it but he had pacitents walk into his office and ask him about it with it in their hand.. He said it came from south of the border and he liked propn8 but not the side effects for some ppl and he was actual expecting neibo to be in USA by the time I leveled out and it was great once proper level had been reached to use with cyp or enathn8. This doc is now a country Doc in GA and was once a specialist and worked in sports medicine and I stumbled across him. But he will not go for anything other than cyp or enanth8 ? He said I would have to go see the endo and he told me that he would deal with HCG and provron and B-12 Possibly in a couple of years a tyroid to help my metbolic syndrom


PLEAE HELP THIS WORE OUT DEAD OLE DOG ? SOMEONE with knowledge post up , please ? Could a Mod PM me for questions ? I hope you can decode my post ? I was just trying to communicate what the doc gave me and the 411 on GNC products I need ?

It will be more pricey but I am going to Canada Online store for more of the same I have . Anyone have knowledge of how to get Canadian supplements and a FDA rules the same in Canada as US ?

My endo will perscribe anything with in reason for TRT and a little more right now since mine is so low . Any advise please, please PM me .

[fit2bOld]

Got to take exactly what he prescribes if your going to start playing with the dose it gonna be real difficult to get you feeling better. What is the dose he prescribed? Every other week is going to put you on a roller coaster of highs and lows. We need to talk about this.....

You have to calm down and not rush into the whole supplement thing. Lets get your protocol right and your blood levels stable.

See the guns on this old bird trust me slow down!!!

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Oh could you decode what I wrote ? ( I don't have 25 post so am limited to no pm and other word useage) If so I have 2 refills and an appointment on 01-03-13 for blood work 3rd time since gel did nothing and yes every other week . I thought it would take 3 to 5 wks for there to be any real change and is that routine to much for a 53 yr old with a 78 t level ? I know I am one wore out dog and reay for a change back to the human race.

I am going to post perscription and you please tell me what it means I think 1 cc every other week and did you understand the potence and volume to take I see it at 1 cc every 14 day and I do not want a roller coaster I think he would rewrite about what I asked for because of all the research I shoed him and he called several pharms and cip is all that is around this area . another form faster acting could be ordered but this is not going to hit for a while is it ?

Please answer ? Stay with me and help me get this right in the beginning and my doc is kewl !

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

fit2bold are you out there ?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

inject 200 MG (1 ML ) every 2 weeks test CYP Script said 2000 box states 200 MG/ML QTY 10 2 refills before 4-29-13 Those #'s don't add up it looks like I will have to take more than perscribed to get total amount before script runs out ? How long before I will notice any. . . . any results ?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

At 26 I hadd 19.5 in guns I was shooting for 21 and I was going to get 21 and 2 horse shoes tatted on my Bi. We used to work tris super hard because they get less natural use than bies and they would make your back side of your arm. bigger and the Bi would look more defined with a large Tri behind it ? I was hoping to interact with someone and I don't seem to be getting any response I will be back at 10:00 EST sharp ! Please somebody anyone with knowledge reply to my dumb questions ?

[labuski]

inject 200 MG (1 ML ) every 2 weeks test CYP Script said 2000 box states 200 MG/ML QTY 10 2 refills before 4-29-13 Those #'s don't add up it looks like I will have to take more than perscribed to get total amount before script runs out ? How long before I will notice any. . . . any results ?

dont worry about the when the script ends and refills etc.. just do what you are prescribed

in fact id love to have some refills on my script

[vetvso]

With your results so low I think there will be a small change in 2 weeks. I saw some water retention and a little improvment in the gym. Sleep did improve, but everyone is different. I am posting my results as I go on this board.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Come on guys I am seeking humbly for your hands on knowledge. Will the 14 day regiment make me be on a roller coaster and peak and drop If one of you smart men will advise , like I said my Dr. is flexable and he will work with me and I can go see the endo sooner if someone with 1st hand knowledge will give me some imput. I get the impression that this dose my doctor put me on was just routine and I was hoping for some fast acting boost like thw poly ********** where I hit it 3 times a week. I will have to order that but I printed the list right off this forum and he looked at it and ask me what did I want and I told him Sus and he said that it was not FDA approved in USA and anything beside cip would need to be from me working with my endo and he would talk to my endo and tell him how seriously low I was (78) and that I had researched and please work with me to get me back on track as soon as possible . So I could see the endo before Fri and head in another direction . HELP ?


I don't expect water retention due to the fact I am drinking over a Gal / almost 2 gal a day + 200 + grams of Protine from mostly white tuna and chicken + Protien shakes in skim milk. I have all day to read this forum and implement the knowledge I gain in the gym until I gat balanced or at least bak into the 600 mrange eating and exercise is all I am concerned with/ I am that serious/ so please offer advise and I want to make positive decissions and not over train or eat wrong to extremes. SO offer aa serious man a hand, please ?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Well I guess with a Test level of ( 78 ) It has effected my brain and I have gone off the deep end because I can post in my thread on a forum where I have read and know that there are men who are members and I repost , but . . . . . . . No replies , no responeses , no feedback , and I am crazy with desire for them to share their knowledge with me and my brain receptors are so shot out that I have freaked everyone out so much, because I reply to my own post in my own thread with little to no respect to them or myself that I answer my own questions: I think for 3 reasons :

1) I am jones'in for rapid TRT recovery to the point that I make members nervous :
2) I ask to many wild questions to fast with no temperment :
3) I may really be shot out to the point that no one takes me serious anymore even if they had at one point wanted to assist me . :
a) I want and desire 25 post so I can PM other members and create a profile of me because I am here to stay unless I get ran off ?

Well I get the message of stear clear of the crazy guy ? So I hope a seasoned member will run across this post and get in touch with me and offer his or her wisdom . This place is great I wish that there were places like this 30 years ago and I most likely would not be hurting and acting like a steel ball in a pin ball machine . I am just going to study the dietiary section and get that down like it is my nature to ingest food in the manner that it endorses . Regretfully I feel like even the members that want to help me are putoff by my multi post; so I am going to enjoy and soak up as much of the safe info offered on this forum and back off on posting until a seasoned member feels the need or willingness to post up and help me. So call me chilled for now and my email is [email protected] *( I am 100% disabled and I hustle = buynsell eBay items or anything else I can on Craigs list to make ends meet)*

So for now I will follow the cookie cutter directions of my doctor and take 1 injection every other week until I hear other more agressive advice from a seasoned member . I will however check this thread daily in hopes that someone has read and chooses to help me and assist me with a more profecient way to address my TRT . So many Ladies and gentlemen, members of this forum are very smart and you better be careful because I am going to be a sponge taking in all I can in the hope that I can figure out how to tweak my treatment on my own advise and that of my doctors ? I hope that a muscle master out there will read this thread and choose to get involved with my road to recovery ! As for now this 53 year old man , with a T level of (78) is going to the dierary section and start listening to it again, thanks to all who welcomed me and encouraged me ! BuzzardMarinePumper Dwight from Ball Ground, GA .

[lovbyts]

It's stupid and no good reason for a doctor to tell you 1x ever 2 weeks except lack of knowledge and just doing what others have done before him and reading out of an OLD text book.

I would do the 200mg but split it up into 1x a week doing 100mg or .5ml per week or better yet if you dont mind more shots doing it 2x a week so 50mg or .25ml each shot.

Yes if you did 200mg 1x every 2 weeks you would be on a roller coaster as you said and have probably read.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

10-30-12 / 8:30 am

So are you saying take half of a dose 1 X a week. The dose perscribed is mL/ cc in the syrenge what ever up to the 1 in the syrenge and me being so low ( 78 ) take 1 shot a week and draw only .5 in the syrenge and not all the way up to the 1 ? Please confirm ? stick have 0 effect on me , I like them and I am old sckool cc must now be called mL please confirm ? I used to do cocktails of 3 cc a day with 1.5 19 gage needle 30 yrs ago,priibolnr, fina jet, winny. nano, and a little B-12 here and there from time to time. Now all he gave me was a 1" and 21 I have to really push to get the dose through the needle ?I loved the fina I could taste it for a few seconds after a stab.

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CONFIRMED / .5 1 x per week

[fit2bOld]

It's stupid and no good reason for a doctor to tell you 1x ever 2 weeks except lack of knowledge and just doing what others have done before him and reading out of an OLD text book.

I would do the 200mg but split it up into 1x a week doing 100mg or .5ml per week or better yet if you dont mind more shots doing it 2x a week so 50mg or .25ml each shot.

Yes if you did 200mg 1x every 2 weeks you would be on a roller coaster as you said and have probably read.

This is what i wanted to talk about. Like Lovbyts said .5cc a week is much better for stable blood levels. MORE IS NOT BETTER!!!
Stick with that and get blood work done

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Roger that and did you have time to look at my planned diet and training routine. 4 sets , 15 to 20 reps 3 to 4 exercises per muscle for am old man ?

[lovbyts]

Yes that is correct. Just cut it in 1/2 (.5cc) each shot and do it 1x a week instead of 1x every 2 weeks.

I just turned 50 this week. I have found what works best for me over the last few years and really better than ever is working only 1 muscle group a week giving yourself plenty of time to recooperate. Main thing is to take things slow. Dont jump in to quikc and over do it or you might burn yourself out. Especially DONT try to lift heavy. FORM is so much more important than weight especially at our age. It's easy to get injured and screw everything up. Trust me, I know first hand. I though I was being careful and have not been able to work out properly for about almost 2 years due to injuries of one type of another. I just went through shoulder surgery in May. Not fun trying to recover from that at 50.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Roger that and noted as confirmed in previous post Thank you and I have to go eat and drink some water. Please share more on supplements from GNC if you have time I am disabled and about to go to gym and do cardio and see how my bum legs feel I have sever Deep Vain Thrombiosious in my left calf with ulsers right now, need a knee replacement left side also and I already have a hip implant left side. That is why I had the low weight high rep 3 to 4 exercises per muscle routine even on upper body for 1st 2 weeks to get my sea legs and form down it has bee about a year since I saw the inside of a gym and with my blood clots in left calf and lack of cirlulation I have ulsers an I can't use the pool at the YMCA . I have a real gym I go to and love 24hr fitness . Not a real gym this place has everything you need except for decline bench and I can drive to another location on chest day for decline bench . I need decline due to you age gynomastya already had the suurgery there also ! (with (78) Test level am I still a man ?)

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Thanks guys for all the 411 ! I am just going to make my notes right here on this thread . After workouts and end of day. I have my hulk son to really train with in the PM but the am is just to Cardio and stretch and clear my head , get ideas, and to get back in a routine ! I will bump into someone on chest day and be able to find some nano I think 1 cc 2 x a week ? + adroil 25 is all that I have seen and I know I need atleast 1 oral at the beginning and to finish with on a 90 day cycle can't afford whole cycle Disability does make it a choice and optiminal wins over desire !

I was reading in the kitchen section . That blew me away ppl making home brew ?

[lovbyts]

Home brew is a whole different ball of wax and has nothing to do with HRT. Right now you want to stick to this section, the diet and training. Dont rush into all the supplements either or spend big bucks at GNC. There are a LOT better choices out there besides GNC and better prices. Stick to the basics. A good daily vitamin and a few other things. Learn as you go.

AHHHHH slow down mister. Dont start taking any orals for quite a while. At least until you get all your hormones where they should be (TRT). Anything you add to the mix will mess up your test results and you will be testing at least every 3 months for a while. Forget all that stuff and stick to just the HRT for a year or two.

Also adding anything to the mix may give you some false strength gains and promote injury right away. Learn from our mistakes and dont make the same ones.

[fit2bOld]

Sorry jumping in and out on this we've been having a hurricane up this way.

Like Lovbyts said take it slow, I was at 219 when I started HRT, I was going to the gym getting fatter and weaker the harder I trained. Saw one of those low T commercials and here I am. With a commitment to diet and exercise my body did a 180 and I now look and feel great but it took years to get to where i'm at now.
Will be here to help you out and scold you for screwing up as well.....LOL

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

That sounds good to me ! After all a Marine doesn't feel right unless he is being told he is doing a bad job and to try harder . . . .. . lol . SO I am going to just do the .5 every Monday and eat high protien . . . . . (already watching that due to type 2 Diabeties ; now metbolic Syndrom) That is what got me worried I was eating 5 to 6 times a day and never having more than 130 grams of Carbs and consentrating on Protien with out fat intake and I went from 250 down to 215 in 4 mths and felt great going to the Gym and actual seeing a difference in my face and even my hands were loosing fat. The it was like a train ran over me and even though I had my glucose #'s better than the doctor could believe I had no energy. I mean no gym and a struggle to go to the mail box and back I do live in the country and that is about a mile round trip but I was out of breath and pure exausted ! Now at @35 and my weight will change as much as 20 lbs in any given 30 day period ?

Well I guess lucky for me my Doctor at that time stopped taking my Insurance and my current doctor wanted everything on me after I told him how I had energy lost 25 lbs in 3 mths and had not gained any endurance. He did Liver profiles and fasting blood work an then the long like 14 to 18 readings on one test not fasting just no water and black coffee the morn of the blood to be drawn and I think it was 4 or 5 viles ? I went back a week later and he was more concerned about my 78 test level than ANYTHING else . I don't remember the other # that concerned him but there were 2 that he tried to scare me with . . . . . well he did scare me with. He started asking me all about my past and if I was sucudial? I had just lost my business that was a used car dealership and I was one happy country boy about 2004.

So go back in time to about 1997: Then my sex ability dropped off but not desire and the old vigra took care of that symptom and GHB made me get lots of good REM sleep. Then my now ex wife had our 3rd child and she Freaked out on me ? She went back to her doctor 1 time and that was to have her daddy stitches removed. She was 7 years younger than me and she started running around and I mean slap crazy ! She had plenty of money and she was out being a crack whore and gang banging for the fun of it and this was a change from Sunday school teacher to even getting into porn and there was no reasoning with her. The marriage just turned sour over a 3 mth period. She had her tubes tied and I have since learned that her issue was more than likely a simple hormone imbalance and the fact that I taught her to be to GIB . She went from knee high blue socks and plaid skirts when she met me 17 years previous to the 80's excellent seen and pretty boy steroid crew that pulled all nighters in Buckhead with limos and all the rec drugs any one could have. Well we dated 5 years and we both worked out 2 times a day and started focusing on one another and got Jesus and stopped the bad stuff. Moved in together and lived happily ever after untill about 2000 and my daugher was 4 yrs old when she was pulling tag team trains and all nighters . I know I sound like a wussy but this really happened to me.

So I do any and everything to keep from going crazy. We tried camping with 4 wheelers but she would not show up and I had stair steps to be dad and mom to 4 yrs old 5 yrs old and 8 yrs old. We did the beach condo in Ft Walton bach and she was so cracked out she would take it to the beach. So plan B hope she will come to her sences and the next thing I know she went and bought these huge monster "Twins" she was 5'8" & weighted about 100 lbs and she goes on a bienge for about 2 weeks and comes home with 38 DD's I could not say a word all I could see was 38 DD's and this stick body that used to be my wife. Well to be expected she ask for a divorce and I spend a chunk of money in a GA county where men never get custody of their children well 100K later I do have and I am single also. Just doesn't happen. So we are living life and she is partying and all of a sudden she wants the kids and full cusody (not ) I was making big bucks and she had talked to other women and another attorney and he starts I jump through the fiips again an win ! So this is about 2002.

I take the kids to my parents on a Sunday and go to Paintball all day . . . . . . well God had other plans I was driving my trash truck the ole 94 Ford F 150 just the beatter that the whole family used. I am out in the woods and get stuck so I jump out to see what I am going to do to get unstuck. As I walk back up to the truck to get in the door comes open and the POS Ford drops into reverse and chaes me down the hill and hits me and crushes my body against a tree and talk about life altering events, not only did I die and see all the bright lights and the whole 9 yards olny to come to in the ER Life Flight trama center when a doctor is shoving a chest tube into my chest and bam I am back in this world and more pain than any human should have to go through 3 and a half mths later I get out of the hospiital and she being the good mother she is has full 100% custody of my kids and we have to go to court to find out when I get to visit my children ? WTF just happened to my life ? She has drained and destroyedmy business and I walk out of the hospital on 100% disability. I had some cash stashed but I had to go back in the hospital 5 more times over the next 3 years for surgery.

Let's just say I had issues and went from 6 figure inome to negative cash flow. I don't think Low T had anything to do with all of that , but I am here now feeling depression and useless in life . I feel that having the TRT is going to change my lfe and my future and all because one man cared enough to give me the right test and see through all the meds and treat the problem and not toss me away and keep treating the symptoms. I just wonder how many other men have the same Low T issue that I have and will never be treated for it. Like my ex I think the true root to her flipping out and she still to this day is not herself !

I am not as smart as a lot of you gents on this forum but I am here to share with the world that IMO HRT is one of the most over looked condition to effect the human race. If more people were treated for the problem than Doctors refuse to educate them selves in this area. I think of all the health care dollars that are wasted due to not making this blood work required and part of the yearly exam . This HRT would save billions of health care dollars and untold number of marriages that could be saved and the number of men and women that could live longer and be happier. It is a shame and such a small amount of money to fix 50% of all health issues that men are suffering from due to Doctors treating the wrong problem. Maybe it;s just because this has hit me but all the signs and studys show this is a problem most men will face . . . . . . . . So sad that they will die unhappy when there really is no such thing as old age just old doctors that have old educations !

That is how serious I take condition that can be treated but will never even be discussed with so many men it is so sad !

[labuski]

high protein with no fat will spike your glucose level, which will give you peaks and valleys. i've had great luck with a ketogenic diet, my glucose level constantly stayed in the 80's. do some research on it.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Made it to the gym and had a metting witth the weights and made notes on time there and weight used on exercise. I don't have a routine it hass been so long, I have only had 1 inject. Got to start some where. It was more of getting used to the weights and finding my way arounf the gym than a real workout ? I had no mental desire to dive in and start riping off reps, I am still dragging, Manafed to adapt life style and diet to some degree not perfect disipline in portions allthough did cut way back on portion sixe and increase # of meals and target protien and build meals and snakes arounf that. Water intake has beem increased to 1 to 2 gal a day not sure how long it will take for brain the notice and start to dump excess fluid. I was hopeing to prevent unwanted weight gain. I have desire / goal to loose fat amd with low intensity level workouts this is going to be hard . I can't see, to find the button to push that says "Now you should have high energy level" as I stated still slugish and it is a chore to make myself go to the gym. Lucky for me I have time to male myself do and gym is open 24/7. Not sure if more small meals or excess water is cause but deep sleep in increasing ? I do feel more alert when I am awake just far cry from where I need to be to get that desire to hit the gym. I have been on high water intake for 4 daysand the protien target diet about a week. I must not be getting enough carbs. Usually there are enough out there that slip into eating routine to be enough ? carbs in fowm of oat meal, oat & grain cearel, yogart in am and fruits and vegies during the day. I have not ha a really good flush of my dietary track in some time . I am talking about to the point I feltclear headed as well as not full all the time . I am guessing water is part the cause but expext to see that change by the end of the week and start to de[let excess water and flush system at the same time. Anybody have any thoughts on water and generally full feeling the slugish part has neen the norm for me with t level of 78 ?

[fit2bOld]

Be patient BMP, flushing water is great to keep toxins out but don't over do it everything in moderation. Just take your time getting acquainted with everything in the gym pick up a mens health magazine lot of nutritional and exercise help. Lots of recipes to get you eating right, no fast food etc.

Once your Test levels start to come up you will feel alot better......I know you have been through more than than your share of set backs so lets get you going forward one day at a time.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I have a young friend 27 with test levels at 420 he is doing some natural stuff and he swears it has helped his wood use and the amount of blood to it, st;il not the type that a cat can't scratch , slang from old days , you nknow what I mean but he is happy because he has not had effort free woodys for 4 years and at 27 I was the man of steel and iron ! One is called just that MALE T and the other is Orchid PMC . I told him no way it was his mind and then I felt bad due to me being so low a good T- Bone steak would most likely bring mine up ! Going to the gym again just to streach and get a lttle sore not really working out just consentrating on different routines and like I stated geting the primary sowreness in and out of the natural process so I won't feel the T and want to go pump up and then 2 days later not be able to move. Like you said fit2bOld it did take a long time to get here but I wish it was instant 2day again However my goal is by March to loose mimium of 25 lbs and be back mountain biking and training 2 times a day 3 days a week and 1 time a day 7 days a week on the 3 day X 2 I will have one for 1 body part.

A singled out question here, please ? I have had great results with the 2 Gal of water a day in the past not working out and even when I was I pounded water and it eventually starts the natural process of natural depletion of being puffy. I mean results I could see and others I used to start it in Jan and by April my face had lost fluid and my hands + the ole belly was noticable to have (smaller side handles) . Is it my Low T or should I do some type of colan cleanse ? I just feel like a ballon and I am not obese . I am 53 and have that couch patato belly I am not a big beer drinker possibly 2 a week . I have been doing good on diet steady small portions 3 to 4 hours apart. I blew it one day and had Mex with my son but still I had chicken and the Gucamole was what killed my carb counting ! I picked this habit up when they put me on metforin for Diabeties and I was so strickI went Hypoglysemic but that was at a high Glucose level I go Hypo at around 110and will pass out ? The endo was not that worried but he was not working with my lowT at that time I am sure he would do things different and I will find out when I see him in Jan !

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

A little help ? I have some effects and question for imput please. I am having trouble sleeping but not an energy increase. When I do sleep I sleep REM I mean deep slee for 10 hours straight no bathroom wake up calls or anything. This is not the old normal for me note my T level was 78 and I took 1cc Mon. , I also have super heave eyelids ? A good thig and really feel it's to soon for this but I promise this has been a major change and seems to quick ? I have a Woody every morn and a few times during the day for no reason . I mean I am not being visually stimulated and not just a middle aged man semi I mean rock hard ? I have not had to worry about this since I was in my late 30's. I don't think it is in my mind I am quite sure it is in my pants and the size is back also . Way over a Vigra which was not all the natural . This is a good bad but it takes 5 minutes when I wake up for the blood to go down enough to pee ? tHE WATER IS STARING TO WORK BELLY IS SHRINKING AND HANDS ARE ALSO i HAVE NOT NOTICED PUFFY CHEEKS TO GO AWAY YET BUT IF THIS WORKS LIKE IN THE PAST ABOUT 2 WEEKS IN WITH A GAL + A DAY THE FLUID JUST DISAPPEARS ALL OVER MY BODY !

aNY THOUGHT OR INFO WOULD BE APPERICIATED BY ME ! when I stick an IM how long before my glands and brainreally react ?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Test X180 by Force Factor ? This is a natural supplement that has endorsements from men who could be paid actors or are very conviencing as to their strong belief that the supplement "factually does" increase testerene (sp intent) PLEASE OFFER THOUGHTS ON THIS SUPPLEMENT ?

I have not received any comments to my pasy 2 or 3 post that I wish fit2bOld would offer his opinion on I like what he says even if it is not what I want to hear. Transprent info to you from me I took my 1st 1cc or doctor perscribed cyp on Mon. I wanted to change my injection date and with my LOW T level wanted it to be on Fri If someone could please tell me the time it peaks from the time of ingestion I may adjust to Wed so I peak over the weekend. I did as suggested and ingested .5cc . You may feel free to chew me out or eexplain my improper thought process for time of injection. I am telling the truth in hopes I will receive some possibly not what I want to hear but what I need to hear info.

Hey come on guys yall know what you are doing as opposed to the doc treating everyone the same. I am hoping he will allow me to stablize as high as 1000 to 1200 ? Do any of you know what most doctors in general seek to reach and maintain ?

CHANGES IN PHYCIAL CONDITTION GOOD AND NOT EXPECTED I am loving the results of my water bombing I am not feeling bloated anymore rather just the opposite I am feeling ligher and with the ingestion of a gal + of water, Magnesium, green coffe beans (Caps) from Wal-Mart $9.99 for 30 tabs and have same ingrediants on the label as online and as GNC. [( I still am on xanx but take 2 less mg a day than a week ago and still on oxycodon, dropped from 5 10 mgs to 3 10 mgs daily and pain level seems tollorable at this reduced level I feel quite sure I will go back to prescribed dose once I start training for the 1st month due to normal muscle pain & the fact that this pain script doesn't make me tired rater it does the opposite it stimulates me and STOPS all of my pain due to my past trama . I also know when my muscles start to strgenthen the joint pain and even if I go slow enough my extra muscle will compsate my shoulder pain due to stretched muscles relieve tendions, ie. (Torn/damaged rotator cuff, very painful but not sever enough for surgery yet) Muscle gain may prevent surgery ? I had sever pain in left knee and thought I was going to have to have knee replacement surgery [SUPER PAINFUL] I did get 3 efxor injections and knee is tolorable pain level and should be even better with 3 knee injection (routine) every 6 mths. and knee pain should reduce with muscle gain ?

COLD HARD FACTS 11-3-12 My sleep was in a very unstable pattern for the past 2 nights it was asleep by 12:00 awake by 7:30 but not wide awake kind of in a fog friends have told me low cortasall ? When I do get out of bed and "start the day" I am already ahead of the week before when the sleep was awake most of the niight and naps during the day. Diet slipping and I have not ingested food every 3 to 4 hours due to being very busy and my personal lack of preperation. I hope this will change when my energy level increases ? I have not memorized nutrition section and I am just going with no fried foods, little to no bread, no starchy veies ,. I do target Any type of Fish Broiled/ baked/grilled. Over dosing on aabcrombie tuna is. simple and easy with a little lemon and wheat cracker or rice cakes(limited Rice Cakes). I am eating Salmon, White fish, Freashwater bass, I also eat some bad seafood buy=t better tha a butter finger, Crab, Lobster, Shrimp, Oysters . Yes I do eat Pork Tender loin, and chops Ham, stear clear of fried bacon and sausage, Lean red meat from Cows, Buffalo, deer, Lamb, Aligator & Rabbit is a negative meat you can actually starve to death eating nothing except pure grilled Rabbit . Carots, Lettus, tomates ( a fruit by the way) I can't stang Broiles Squash so I do eat a litle fries Squash and I think , I eat smart , Sweet patotes squash casroels, brocillie, celery, aspargus, brussel sprouts and all types of beans and for my sweet tooth fresh fruit and nuts and berries, I do cheat and eaaat Yogart ice cream 4 xs a week . No simple carbs unless in the form of liquid except like gator -aid/during & post workout and with these I am not carb loading because my work-outs are not intense , Still not a change in energey or desire to enteract socically ? This could be a habit that I will have to actually force myself mentally to change or was hoping for a boost in energey and I would ; even if slowly transform back to the socialite I once was . No desire to be a player again; just seeking a level of drive and confidence to be around people and meet groups to do new things with new friends, I have severed all ties with old friends ! Still not enough drive to have a good positive trainning secession to where I walk out of the gym with a pump; seeking more desire to go to gym ? I make myself go and I used to desire when I had time and went 2 x's a day. Despperatly seeking that feeling again ! Side bar again I am having woodys of a 22 year old male and I know most men would be estactic hooting and getting ready for that fri and sat night "strange" except they are bothersum when they happen standing in line at convience store/ I mean the real thing hit it with a hammer hard ?

Today is Sat . Tonight I am going out for the 1st time in 20 years alone and with the single intent to seek a pleasurable way to relieve this issue . This is a strange thing for me to do at age of 53 and not really sure which club to go to . I do know of about 3 that are 21 and up and 1 in particulair know to be a local watering hole with a rep to be a good fishing hole for men seeking womwn who seek what I need ( Lonely housewives club l their husbands are deer hunting and they are head hunting ) and I guess after spratic encounters for 10 years deserve a regular goto girl ? But not sure if I even have the desire to go through all the B. S. ? Wish me luck ! 7:00 now and I plan to hit the door about 9:00 but heck when you get as old as me the party doen't even start until I start rubbing my eyes and yawing ? So WTF I am going to give it a shot and not drink alchol and that is going to be tuff also because I do my best Bsing when intoxicated ? 2 steps forward and 3 steps back ? Maybe when I get my attituide adjusted and get back in the gyn and learn the kewl way for 50 + guys to dress to attracrt ; I don't want to look like a sugar daddy I want to be like I was 20 years ago nptlooking for a gal and have to pick between 3 . . . . . . something tells me this ain't gona be the night

Come on guys this has a lot of info and questions in it that require all of you single pros to give your 2 cents worth on some is supplements, Diet, Reality of being single and finally admitting for the 1st time in 22 yrs, I am posting my journal on this forum for everybody and his brother to read so someone please take notr and help me in your area of expertize ?