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    Crisler's new video on sub q shots.


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    It's nice to know I'm not the only hyper metabolizer or hyper excreter. I imagine I'll give subq shots a go again one day, the doseages I used for it before were always too low. Also one comment about z tracking is it rarely works for subq, mainly a good trick for im though. since the fat moves with the skin, and you aren't really covering anything up. I get far less leakage subq anyways. but I use ztrack for im to reduce leakage and bleeding.

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    It is nice having a dr that understands hyperexcretion! The two dr.s I hade before Dr Crisler never mentioned it, probably never even heard of it! They just kept upping the dose of T, then a few days later felt like crap again! Under the care of Dr. Crisler, I've never felt better! We will be shooting more videos on many topics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinceproduction View Post
    It is nice having a dr that understands hyperexcretion! The two dr.s I hade before Dr Crisler never mentioned it, probably never even heard of it! They just kept upping the dose of T, then a few days later felt like crap again! Under the care of Dr. Crisler, I've never felt better! We will be shooting more videos on many topics.
    So with hyperexcretion it is more beneficial to do frequent shots? Cause I am currently twice a week, but when i started I was once a week which by day 5 left me so far in the tank I was miserable and forgetful, but even 2x a week I sometimes think isn't enough, cause I sometimes feel low at times.

    Does half life effect hyper excreters differently? So you are taking something with supposed 7 day half life, yet it might act like a 4 day half life for others? Or am I way off in this assumption?

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    " I'm a hyper-excreter so I use a little bit more " lol love it.

    good video the doc is looking good for his age.

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    Excellent vid! Good to see Dr. Crisler in such fine condition.

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    Nice work Vince! His not "pinching" assessment scares me a bit though!

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    excellent video! i have just switched from IM to subq last week, so this is very timely and a big help for me. thanks for posting!

    (i think the reason he made the video was to give him an excuse to take his shirt off! he does appear to be pretty lean.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEOINAGE View Post
    Crisler's new video on sub q shots.
    Thanks! The video is really helpful. Great to *see* a real athority walking you though the injections, instead of just *reading* about them.

    Is this video part of a series?

    I looked at Dr.Crisler's website, and there was nothing under "Instrctional Info" where I thought it would be? And on Yourtube, a search for "The Cutting Edge Crisler" only turns up the one video you posted?

    How can I see more of Crisler's videos? Thanks!

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    Great video

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    "Welcome to the man cave" & Sometimes you got to "man up". loved the video!

    I found the "you shouldn't aspirate subq" interesting as I usually do just to be careful. Learned something today! Thanks Seoinage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by junk2222yard
    Thanks! The video is really helpful. Great to *see* a real athority walking you though the injections, instead of just *reading* about them.

    Is this video part of a series?

    I looked at Dr.Crisler's website, and there was nothing under "Instrctional Info" where I thought it would be? And on Yourtube, a search for "The Cutting Edge Crisler" only turns up the one video you posted?

    How can I see more of Crisler's videos? Thanks!
    Thanks for the feedback! This is just the first one. We will be shooting some more in the near future.

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    Nice.

    What other topics? How soon? Looking forward to it!

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    awesome video, everything he said is exactly what i have experienced!

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    Thanks, I wouldnt have seen that if you didnt post it. Very informative, especially learning that aspirating for subq can actually cause trauma under the skin.

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    kel im with u about not pinching. 5/8" 25g (what i use) seems a bit long to go straight in to stomach. seems like id be hitting abs.. i have actually moved to love handle area though since i inject hcg in stomach and i love the love handle area! yall should try it if u havent!

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    That's why it scares me as well. Haven't tried love handles yet. Don't think you have any anyway! I'm going to be picking up 27ga 1/2 " syringes that way I can use them SQ and for anywhere else pretty much other than glutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I'm going to be picking up 27ga 1/2 " syringes that way I can use them SQ and for anywhere else pretty much other than glutes.
    I use 27ga 1/2" for SQ and they work great for me. My doc said they might hurt a bit when he showed me how to inject, but I have never felt it hurt at all. I would not want to use the bigger needles Dr.Crisler uses, but at the same time what he says about finer needles causing tissue trauma was something I never thought of. Again, 27s seem like a good middleground.

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    Exactly. I currently use 25ga 1" for IM and 31ga 5/16 for sq. I just want the middle ground I guess and the 27ga 1/2" will work for me SQ as well as IM in low fat thin skin areas like delts, etc.

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    I found it interesting he talked about the extra ejection pressure from a smaller needle. If you ever shot oil out from an insulin needle, it certainly isn't fast by any means. You have to pretty much use full force just to get a small projectile "launch". I'm not sure how it plays out on a microscopic scale, but I will just say, I have my reservations on whether or not a small needle induces more trauma because of a greater ejection speed.

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    Great Vid! So let's say one is currently doing 50mg test cyp twice a week IM, what is the sub Q protical?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HRTstudent View Post
    I found it interesting he talked about the extra ejection pressure from a smaller needle. If you ever shot oil out from an insulin needle, it certainly isn't fast by any means. You have to pretty much use full force just to get a small projectile "launch". I'm not sure how it plays out on a microscopic scale, but I will just say, I have my reservations on whether or not a small needle induces more trauma because of a greater ejection speed.
    just because it comes out slowly from the perspective of how long it takes to push out say .5mL means nothing IMO where the pressure coming out the needle tip is concerned. think about it man. if u have to push that hard imagine the force of the stream. u know its really a fine/thin stream.

    i agree with crisler (like that matters that dude has forgotten more than u or i will will prob ever know). not to mention the fact that i have far greater discomfort using a 30g needle BECAUSE it takes so long and that needle wiggles around and u have to breathe and (i dont know about the rest of u) my hand gets tired pushing for so long and i have to take a break and then push again! a LOT of wiggling going on with those slin pins. i dont like em!

    25g 5/8" did this am again in the love handle and actually did not pinch and it was no prob. i did my hcg last nite in the stomach with no pinch and it was no prob either. of course i use a slin pin for the hcg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEVEW8 View Post
    Great Vid! So let's say one is currently doing 50mg test cyp twice a week IM, what is the sub Q protical?
    the only thing i changed was the method of delivery (sub q vs IM) same dose same times..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Nice work Vince! His not "pinching" assessment scares me a bit though!
    Yeah i've been pinching. Hmmm... something to think about now I guess. Very cool video, thanks OP!

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    i am still too scared to do this with ugl gear because the 2 times i missed the muscle , the oil spread every where it could and crashed in tendons and behind my knee...

    is this something that can only work with pharma gear?
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    Great video thanks for putting this up SEOINAGE.

    And Vince man you really did a fantastic job good work!

    I look forward to seeing more soon.

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    "You don't want to waste a drop of that good man oil"... Loving it! ... So a hyper-excreter is someone who uses test faster than most? ... In the video he explains how multiple sub Q shots can lower E2... I wonder how many shots he is talking about in a week.... I would like to try subQ injections,... I should email my Doctor this vid and see what he thinks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by J DIESEL3
    Great video thanks for putting this up SEOINAGE.

    And Vince man you really did a fantastic job good work!

    I look forward to seeing more soon.
    Thank you! It's a lot of fun working with Dr. Crisler, and we've got a lot of ideas in the works. If you guys have any topics you'd like to see let me know and I'll bring it to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinceproduction View Post
    Thank you! It's a lot of fun working with Dr. Crisler, and we've got a lot of ideas in the works. If you guys have any topics you'd like to see let me know and I'll bring it to him.
    I would say anything that is a written "how-to" from the "Instructional Info" section of his website would make a good video. Especially the things to do with preparing or applying medicine. A picture is worth 1000 words, and videos of these how-tos are worth 10,000 words! My number one most wanted video would be based on his "HOW TO USE HCG 10000 UNIT VIAL" that starts from an unopened box, has a walkthough of reconstituting, and goes all the way through to an injection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vinceproduction View Post
    Thank you! It's a lot of fun working with Dr. Crisler, and we've got a lot of ideas in the works. If you guys have any topics you'd like to see let me know and I'll bring it to him.
    funny thing Vince if you remember when you did the interview and asked us for input, one of the questions i had was about SQ shots and what he thought of them. well this video answered that!

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    I got a couple questions

    1. Can I use this type of srynge and needle for a sub q shot of .5ml Test?
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    2. What is z tracking and leakage?

    3. What specifically does he mean by the term "hyper excreter"


    Also, it's great to see a Doc Crisler thats actually in shape and looks like he practices what he preaches.

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    Great video thank you for posting this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel
    Nice work Vince! His not "pinching" assessment scares me a bit though!
    Me to and he jabbed straight in, I was like wow you can do it like that. He looked like he injected .25ml of test

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    i thought you dulled your needle if you dew out of a stopper. i always use 2 slins to do my hcg , what a waste lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraceMYD View Post
    I got a couple questions

    1. Can I use this type of srynge and needle for a sub q shot of .5ml Test?
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    Yes. It's basically what I use as well

    2. What is z tracking and leakage?

    Leakage is what is says. Part of what you inject exiting the portal. Z track is usually for glutes and quads (IM)but can be used elsewhere. Your pulling the loose skin to one side, injecting, then letting the skin come back over where you injected covering the portal.

    3. What specifically does he mean by the term "hyper excreter"

    He means when the hormones become free or unbound (useful) they are metabolized much more rapidly than normal


    Also, it's great to see a Doc Crisler thats actually in shape and looks like he practices what he preaches.

    Above in bold...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HRTstudent View Post
    I found it interesting he talked about the extra ejection pressure from a smaller needle. If you ever shot oil out from an insulin needle, it certainly isn't fast by any means. You have to pretty much use full force just to get a small projectile "launch". I'm not sure how it plays out on a microscopic scale, but I will just say, I have my reservations on whether or not a small needle induces more trauma because of a greater ejection speed.
    When I tried it(29g insulin syringe with oil), I pushed on the plunger harder than I would if I was actually injecting myself, it literally dripped out of the insulin syringe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Above in bold...
    Thanks Kel! You da Man!

    On the youtube video station someone asked this question about the Video

    "So, are you injecting daily - including weekends? If I was taking 1ml
    (200mg/ml) Test Cyp per week, would this be divided into 7 daily ~15IU
    Test Cyp shots on the insulin syringe?"



    Anyone know the answer to this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraceMYD

    Thanks Kel! You da Man!

    On the youtube video station someone asked this question about the Video

    "So, are you injecting daily - including weekends? If I was taking 1ml
    (200mg/ml) Test Cyp per week, would this be divided into 7 daily ~15IU
    Test Cyp shots on the insulin syringe?"

    Anyone know the answer to this?
    I inject 50 sq with no problem, anything more i get nasty lumps. I guess you can do 0.35 ml eod!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bass View Post
    I inject 50 sq with no problem, anything more i get nasty lumps. I guess you can do 0.35 ml eod!
    so this is why doing 3cc of oil sub q puts me out for 7 days haha

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    Does Crisler only recommend the sub q shots in the stomach? I didn't really see anything in the video regarding sub q shots on other body sites.

    I'm wondering if other body sites can handle .5ml better

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