Blood letting question for Bass...

[Pale1]

I saved the video when you put it out, but I've got a few questions. I would just go donate blood but they don't want mine b/c I've recently been to Thailand (& I'd kinda like to get this right )

1) Is that a blood pressure monitor that you use, & is that just used to create pressure? Or are you actually monitoring your BP while you're doing this?
2) I see that you are using a 18 gauge 1 1/2" needle, but what is that tubing called, & where can I get it?

That's all I can think of right now. BTW, I recently read the book "Hidden Causes of Heart Attacks & Strokes", where the author noted that you are 40% less likely to have a heart attack if you are a regular blood donor. He compares it to an oil change for your car & says that it reduces your heart attack risk by cleansing your blood of oxidized LDL. Off topic I know, but the book is a very good read as heart disease is by far the biggest killer in the U.S. & as the author also notes, 1/2 of the people who suffer heart attacks have lipid readings that fall in the normal range (Because I love you guys )

[bass]

Pale, i use a 5/32" tubing which you can get from any hardware store. Just make sure to clean all your supplies with alcohol. The 5/32 tubing fits perfectly in the luer lock end of the needle. You can secure with tape if need be. Yes the cuff was only to create pressure, now i have a manual cuff which is much easier to use, and no players needed! Make sure to punch an extra hole on the cap to prevent pressure buildup in the bottle. Good luck and let me know how it went.

[Pale1]

OK, great! Maybe a stupid question, but can the tubing be re-used? Or is there a chance that re-used tubing could some how contaminate some blood that could possibly re-enter the blood stream? Can't really imagine how but better to ask anyway

[bass]

I wouldn't re-use it it's not worth the risk

[Soar]

I still think that's the craziest video I've ever seen on youtube.. Bass and his brass balls

[38onTRT]

Anyone have a link to the vid?

[Pale1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI9Q1HjIdPk

[38jumper38]

Just crazy, I will pay the $80.00 fee.....

[Far from massive]

Hey guys just an alternative for any of you with small veins , or who want to use a smaller needle to lessen damage to the veins over time. Or those who suffer from high viscosity blood from too much AAS and/or waiting too long to drain it, and find it takes too long to drain on its own.

I use 21 by 18" winged infusion sets, which have a leur lock. These are conneted to a regular 3cc luer lock syringe and the plastic tube fits tightly inside the syringe body. This tube then runs to a bottle that acts as the resivour and instead of a vent I use a hand vacuum pump too create vacuum in the bottle to the needle to speed the blood flow through the smaller 21g needle. You can also get vacutainers for this same purpose but it might be hard to without a medical license and this is better IMHO as you can adjust the vacuum as needed for optimal flow.

This sort of system is recommeded for use by those who have to routinely pull blood ( I think there is a condition where iron builds up in the blood) since repeated stabbing of the vein with needles large enough to allow blood flow without damage to the blood cells (this is why the Red Cross etc use the harpoons) will cause damage to the veins over time, particularly in those less vascular than most of use wieght lifting beasts LOL.

PS I can't donate because I have HCV

[38onTRT]

Wow thats,,, odd..

I may have to try it..

[snowman]

Bass, that's actually you? you got big balls bro... IF i ever tried that, i would bleed to dead, on the first sight of blood, i would faint , drop on the floor, by the time someone would notice that i was not around, all my blood would been out of my body...lol.... i don't mind ad it does not bother me, looking at blood on other people, but when it comes to seeing blood on me... im a puss... even when im injecting my self, and i take the needle out, IF blood comes out ( sometimes it happens) i get light headed..lol, and when i go for blood work, i never look at what they are doing...lol

[Pale1]

Hey guys just an alternative for any of you with small veins , or who want to use a smaller needle to lessen damage to the veins over time. Or those who suffer from high viscosity blood from too much AAS and/or waiting too long to drain it, and find it takes too long to drain on its own.

I use 21 by 18" winged infusion sets, which have a leur lock. These are conneted to a regular 3cc luer lock syringe and the plastic tube fits tightly inside the syringe body. This tube then runs to a bottle that acts as the resivour and instead of a vent I use a hand vacuum pump too create vacuum in the bottle to the needle to speed the blood flow through the smaller 21g needle. You can also get vacutainers for this same purpose but it might be hard to without a medical license and this is better IMHO as you can adjust the vacuum as needed for optimal flow.

This sort of system is recommeded for use by those who have to routinely pull blood ( I think there is a condition where iron builds up in the blood) since repeated stabbing of the vein with needles large enough to allow blood flow without damage to the blood cells (this is why the Red Cross etc use the harpoons) will cause damage to the veins over time, particularly in those less vascular than most of use wieght lifting beasts LOL.

PS I can't donate because I have HCV

I've tried twice PM'ing you massive, but when I go back to check my sent messages folder, there's nothing in there. First time I tried PM'ing someone on this board so just curious as to whether or not you are getting hem or not?

[bass]

I still think that's the craziest video I've ever seen on youtube.. Bass and his brass balls

two years into TRT they are more like foam now!

[Soar]

Lmao one of the perks I guess /:

[HawaiiLifr]

Hey guys just an alternative for any of you with small veins , or who want to use a smaller needle to lessen damage to the veins over time. Or those who suffer from high viscosity blood from too much AAS and/or waiting too long to drain it, and find it takes too long to drain on its own.

I use 21 by 18" winged infusion sets, which have a leur lock. These are conneted to a regular 3cc luer lock syringe and the plastic tube fits tightly inside the syringe body. This tube then runs to a bottle that acts as the resivour and instead of a vent I use a hand vacuum pump too create vacuum in the bottle to the needle to speed the blood flow through the smaller 21g needle. You can also get vacutainers for this same purpose but it might be hard to without a medical license and this is better IMHO as you can adjust the vacuum as needed for optimal flow.

This sort of system is recommeded for use by those who have to routinely pull blood ( I think there is a condition where iron builds up in the blood) since repeated stabbing of the vein with needles large enough to allow blood flow without damage to the blood cells (this is why the Red Cross etc use the harpoons) will cause damage to the veins over time, particularly in those less vascular than most of use wieght lifting beasts LOL.

PS I can't donate because I have HCV

Massive when you say "these are connected to a regular 3cc luer lock syringe and the plastic tube fits tightly inside the syringe" what plastic tube are you talking about? Is this the 5/32 tubing that Bass is referring to? Also, can you recommend a particular hand vacuum pump or are they pretty much standard. Thanks.

[Trific]

Massive when you say "these are connected to a regular 3cc luer lock syringe and the plastic tube fits tightly inside the syringe" what plastic tube are you talking about? Is this the 5/32 tubing that Bass is referring to? Also, can you recommend a particular hand vacuum pump or are they pretty much standard. Thanks.

I'll try to answer in case he doesn't see your post for awhile...you should be able to just buy a hand vacumn pump for bleeding auto brakes from an auto store and just run a tube from the needle that goes in the vein to the vacumn pump collection tank like is at this link:
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...ier=70116_0_0_

[HawaiiLifr]

I'll try to answer in case he doesn't see your post for awhile...you should be able to just buy a hand vacumn pump for bleeding auto brakes from an auto store and just run a tube from the needle that goes in the vein to the vacumn pump collection tank like is at this link:
http://www.autozone.com/autozone/acc...ier=70116_0_0_

Thanks a lot I appreciate it.

[Far from massive]

Massive when you say "these are connected to a regular 3cc luer lock syringe and the plastic tube fits tightly inside the syringe" what plastic tube are you talking about? Is this the 5/32 tubing that Bass is referring to? Also, can you recommend a particular hand vacuum pump or are they pretty much standard. Thanks.

I just checked the lines I use. Its a piece of 5/16 inch OD (outside diameter) stiff nylon (I think) line the type they use to connect and ice maker to a water line. Around this is a piece of 5/16 ID (inside diameter) 3/8 OD soft plastic line (this is the one that fits tightly into the syringe body) the 5/16 ID by 3/8th OD soft line fits both the vacuum pump barb as well as the syringe. I got both hoses at a local hardware store but Homedepot also sells them so they are not hard to find. If you are too shy to bring your syringe body to the store with you, then you can simply ask for an inch of several sizes of hose and then match them up when you get home and come back LOL.

[Far from massive]

I've tried twice PM'ing you massive, but when I go back to check my sent messages folder, there's nothing in there. First time I tried PM'ing someone on this board so just curious as to whether or not you are getting hem or not?

Sorry for the delayed response, I have been away from this thread for a while. I looked in my PM box and saw both of your PM's and I am sure I replied ( I get a ton of PM's but always reply unless they are random people fishiing for AAS or sources then I just delete them) anyway if you never got the replies just PM me the questions again and I will be sure to answer promptly and check my sent items folder to make sure it went through.

[HawaiiLifr]

I just checked the lines I use. Its a piece of 5/16 inch OD (outside diameter) stiff nylon (I think) line the type they use to connect and ice maker to a water line. Around this is a piece of 5/16 ID (inside diameter) 3/8 OD soft plastic line (this is the one that fits tightly into the syringe body) the 5/16 ID by 3/8th OD soft line fits both the vacuum pump barb as well as the syringe. I got both hoses at a local hardware store but Homedepot also sells them so they are not hard to find. If you are too shy to bring your syringe body to the store with you, then you can simply ask for an inch of several sizes of hose and then match them up when you get home and come back LOL.

Thank you very much for this info. I appreciate you taking the time.

[SEOINAGE]

Hey guys just an alternative for any of you with small veins , or who want to use a smaller needle to lessen damage to the veins over time. Or those who suffer from high viscosity blood from too much AAS and/or waiting too long to drain it, and find it takes too long to drain on its own.

I use 21 by 18" winged infusion sets, which have a leur lock. These are conneted to a regular 3cc luer lock syringe and the plastic tube fits tightly inside the syringe body. This tube then runs to a bottle that acts as the resivour and instead of a vent I use a hand vacuum pump too create vacuum in the bottle to the needle to speed the blood flow through the smaller 21g needle. You can also get vacutainers for this same purpose but it might be hard to without a medical license and this is better IMHO as you can adjust the vacuum as needed for optimal flow.

This sort of system is recommeded for use by those who have to routinely pull blood ( I think there is a condition where iron builds up in the blood) since repeated stabbing of the vein with needles large enough to allow blood flow without damage to the blood cells (this is why the Red Cross etc use the harpoons) will cause damage to the veins over time, particularly in those less vascular than most of use wieght lifting beasts LOL.

PS I can't donate because I have HCV

Sounds interesting, last time I did it it took forever to fill my bottle, would be nice to help draw it out.

[jasondd1]

I am going to go this route this week. Ordered some surgical tubing, Im hoping it is the right size. My question is is it necessary to tie off my arm or use a blood pressure thing in order to do it. Im pretty vascular and finding a vein is easy. Is it necessary in order to get the blood to come out or can i just stick and go?

[Bonaparte]

I am going to go this route this week. Ordered some surgical tubing, Im hoping it is the right size. My question is is it necessary to tie off my arm or use a blood pressure thing in order to do it. Im pretty vascular and finding a vein is easy. Is it necessary in order to get the blood to come out or can i just stick and go?

You need to use a BP cuff as a loose tourniquet in order to keep venous pressure high enough that the blood doesn't stop flowing and clog the needle.
Keep the pressure lower than your systolic pressure or your arm won't refill with blood.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

OK Bass Red Cross stopped taking my blood for reasons I don't know ? They still want my platlets though and they made up a BS excuse and said that my arm looked like it had a rash ? I shave my arms but this was total BS and I am about to check out your Star YouTube Pod Cast

Question is when I was a young dumb Marine we would run short of $$$$ close to Pay Day and there were two pay clinics in town and we could go to one , one mth and the other the next mth . This was giving a pint of blood 1 x a mth and then we were stupid anyway we would go spend the $$$ we got at a beer bust and we thought we got drunker because we had less blood ? Not sure if this was a fact or not because we would have gotten drunk either way more or less blood

Main question is Red Cross would only take blood every 59 days and when in the Marines in my 20 we were pretty crazy but I never heard of anyone having an issue at 1 pint a month . There was tis one guy that would drive to the next town over and give every 2 weeks I am not sure if it was from the frequency of giving blood or just coencidence but he got phrosissious of the liver and was discharged ? Didn't die and wound up getting military disability ? Who would have thuk it ?

So would 1 pint per mth be dangerous ? Not like I can go ask my Dr. as I said many men did it and out of all the people I know that did it no one ever had any issues at on pint a mths and IMO I see nothing wron with this since all the blood level is normal in 5 days after donation ! Not really asking approval would never put you on a dime like that ! Just you thoughts ? I feel sooooo much better when I give blood almost like a mental high ! Not a buzz but the old mental well being and a positive attitude . So do you blood let 1 time a mth or every 2 mths or every 3 mths and if you answered this somewhere I am sorry for the long post ! But gotta get my tools and give some blood and I would never pay $80.00 there are still places on the Internet that claim to buy blood + lol I just can't locate them ?

Thanks in advance for what I know will be a hoot of an answer

Oh BTW My Self medicating TRT is going great with a little assistance from my Dr. Lost 60 lbs of fat cells and gained 20 lbs or so of muscle no real way to tell other than very lean and vascular + lost 3 pants sizes ! The 28th will be a year since I started TRT . 6 ft and 225 lbs wearing a 34 jean in Wrangler or Guess so at 54 I have a belly and waist the same size now just can't get rid of that thin layer of fat in front of my floxors My TRT had a little TREN in it and considerable amounts of Masterone ? Not now though my well being is a 8 on a 1 to 10 scale and on 160 mg of 200 ml Cypionate 80 mg every 3.5 days and 1 mg AI every 3 rd day ; alll I have are 1 mg tabs E2 is 24 and Testosterone is still a little high and dropping it is 1300 and free test is 4.8 HCG Run as directed in sticky at top of TRT section EOM on a mth and off a mth ! Can't afford the stuff so pricey ! I really need more Govt Stimulus in this area lol !

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

OK man watched the movie lol and it was like on fast Fwd ?

I knoow 5/8 tubing but what kind ?

What was the 1st plastic tube you put it over or inside of ?

What was the second plastic tube you put the 1st inside of ?

Are your hands clean because you pked your are 3 or 4 tines after you alcholed it

I need a private link in slow motion for slow ppl lol !

Great viedo man I will ave to watch it a few times before I try this and Ithought I was going to pul a pint tonight !

If you could please shead some light on all the questions except the one about hand washing i would be forever grateful to you !

[bass]

Hey Buzzar, first thanks for your service! second, congratulations on your fat loss! now to the blood letting, you can simply pick up 5/32" polypropylene or polyurethane, the 5/32" usually fits snug into the end of any luer lock needle, you can tape it for extra security. poke two holes in the bottle cap and insert the other end of the tube into it, and leave the other hole open for venting. yes I washed my hand and wiped it with alcohol too.

I only do it as needed, been donating every two months and its been working out great, yes you can donate every week if you want but that would be due to a blood disease not because you can, if you donate once a month you could run out of iron and other important elements in your blood that could make you sick or end up like your friend with liver problems. there is a reason why they do it every two months, I'd trust them. if I ever need to do it i'll do a better video, I promise

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Thanks a bunch man ! I was just funnin you and want to make sure you did not take what I asked the wrong way ? I am grateful for your time and reply ! Also thanks for the digs I am almost down to my goal od 6 ft and 210 lbs . Started bike riding like 20 + miles a say and got to change my macros . . . . DROPPED 5 LBS IN A WEEK ? I have reached this low weight a some minor size lose but I did it over a year and I am pretty dog gone lean and depends on where the moon is as to how vascular I am some days I am amazed as to my personal vascularity and others I seem to have a very minor amount of fluid retention ? Plan to use a 22 gaues pin do you think that will be larde enough ? I have blood clots and felt a lot better at the Red Cross ? Have you ever had any issues with getting the blood to stop I lnow the deal about pull the pin and apply preasure hold arm above your heart ? Soooooo ?

As for the service ; thanks , but with the Muslim in the White House it may become a cures ?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Still in search of donation center that pays for a pint of blood

[EverettCD]

Still in search of donation center that pays for a pint of blood

Let me know when you find one. I just gave away a pint today for free.


Just kidding, donating is good for me & the recipient in need.

[Pale1]

Well, it took almost a year but I finally got the nerve up to try this myself. It came as necessity... the blood service center I go to said they have a surplus of A+ so they wouldn't take any of mine for another month. On to my experience today....

It was a TOTAL FAILURE . I ended up trying 4 different veins. It was the same story with each: an initial surge of blood & then it would drop off to nothing. I probably got 3 ounces out all together. Maybe I need to look at using one of these vacuum pumps like a couple others on here have suggested. My arms are probably going to look like shit for the next week or so.

[Bonaparte]

Well, it took almost a year but I finally got the nerve up to try this myself. It came as necessity... the blood service center I go to said they have a surplus of A+ so they wouldn't take any of mine for another month. On to my experience today....

It was a TOTAL FAILURE . I ended up trying 4 different veins. It was the same story with each: an initial surge of blood & then it would drop off to nothing. I probably got 3 ounces out all together. Maybe I need to look at using one of these vacuum pumps like a couple others on here have suggested. My arms are probably going to look like shit for the next week or so.

This is why you need a BP cuff. Use it to maintain high venous pressure so that the blood doesn't stop flowing.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Let me know when you find one. I just gave away a pint today for free.


Just kidding, donating is good for me & the recipient in need.

I agree but the red cross is a bunch of old witches on a power trip and if you strat looking big they stop taking and 30 years ago in the Marines $25.00 until Pay Day Helped a lot . . . lol



I appologize this is off topic and should not be in this thread ! BASS I am sorry and keep up your good info on your subject ! Sorry to hijack was not thinking

[bass]

This is why you need a BP cuff. Use it to maintain high venous pressure so that the blood doesn't stop flowing.

exactly.

[Pale1]

This is why you need a BP cuff. Use it to maintain high venous pressure so that the blood doesn't stop flowing.

I used the BP cuff. Did everything the same as Bass did in his video. Well, at least I think I did anyway. Something I'm doing is obviously off.

Not going to give up. How long should I give the veins to recover before I try again?

Think taking an aspirin to thin the blood out a little would help?

[Ultra7580]

Question for you guys. I just started trt and want to know how often you have to donate blood? I know blood work will tell if you need to, just wondering if any of you guys experienced guys on trt have a set standard.
I was prescribed 200mg test cyp per week. I started out at 150 and I'll go up if I have to. Any info will be appreciated.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

The red cross will only allow you to give every 56 day about 1 x every 2 mths Sooooo does that answer your question . Even though you are allowed to give every 56 days , you still need to be mindful of your RBC and you may not need to give that often and if you give at the Red Cross you should request to donate double reds . lol I met a vampire when giving blood at the new Res Cross location and we dated for a while and she told me all the right things to say and the best answer is no or I don't know depending on the question . I was blocked from the other location because an older lady asked me if I was on Hormone Therapy and I did tell the truth; so I was blocked from there but nothing is on my Red Cross record ! So if the questions are not on the written or computer test you do not have to answer any more questions and they are not supposed to be asked exccept by grumpy old ladies ?


I appologize this is off topic and should not be in this thread ! BASS I am sorry and keep up your good info on your subject ! Sorry to hijack was not thinking

[Ultra7580]

I said I was prescribed 200mgs a week. I started at 75mgs twice a week. I'm. 33 years old. My test levels were low 220 ref range 280-1100. Not sure what the cause is. I have am MRI scheduled for next Friday to see if there's anything wrong upstairs.

[bass]

I used the BP cuff. Did everything the same as Bass did in his video. Well, at least I think I did anyway. Something I'm doing is obviously off.

Not going to give up. How long should I give the veins to recover before I try again?

Think taking an aspirin to thin the blood out a little would help?

well, you have one chance on each arm. I wouldn't stick more than once the same day, if you miss, try again the next day. taking aspirin might be a good idea, but take it for few days to give time for aspirin to work. my advice is to try to get a scrip from your doc.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I said I was prescribed 200mgs a week. I started at 75mgs twice a week. I'm. 33 years old. My test levels were low 220 ref range 280-1100. Not sure what the cause is. I have am MRI scheduled for next Friday to see if there's anything wrong upstairs.

You know my Dr. is not very smart on TRT and does not even know how to read the BW as in look at all the numbers and come up with a total pic ? Just like last time he took my test level and nothing else except PSA ? He did find elevated PSA but he is supposed to be treating me for TRT and does not have all the #'s at one time to make an educated TRT decission ?

I appologize this is off topic and should not be in this thread ! BASS I am sorry and keep up your good info on your subject ! I found a new Red Cross that will take my blood again ! Sorry to hijack was not thinking

[Bonaparte]

well, you have one chance on each arm. I wouldn't stick more than once the same day, if you miss, try again the next day. taking aspirin might be a good idea, but take it for few days to give time for aspirin to work. my advice is to try to get a scrip from your doc.

The way we normally do IVs in healthcare is to start low on the arm. You can always try higher (closer to the heart), but not lower on the same vein. Of course, with phlebotomy you normally want an AC (the crook of the arm), but if you have thick veins you should be able to get an 18g pretty much anywhere and flow a decent amount of blood. Hell, I normally use a vein in my right calf for this, since I like using an IV cath and need 2 hands.

And yeah, taking 4 baby aspirins a few hours beforehand will definitely help keep the blood flowing.