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01-29-2015, 07:58 PM #761Junior Member
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Do you need to adjust your AI when on daily cialis? I tried 3mg a couple days and it felt like my E2 spiked. I had to stop.
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01-29-2015, 07:59 PM #762Junior Member
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Do you need to adjust your AI when on daily cialis? I tried 3mg a couple days and it felt like my E2 spiked. I had to stop the cialis even though I like the benefits.
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01-29-2015, 08:01 PM #763
I sometimes feel a little flushed when taking Cialis, but never thought it was E2.
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01-29-2015, 09:03 PM #764Associate Member
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01-29-2015, 09:59 PM #765
I've been getting some Bacne lately, took an AI. We'll see.
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01-29-2015, 10:54 PM #766
Nothing "spiked". Cialis and related meds lower blood pressure. (In fact it's my understanding that this stuff - PDE5 inhibitors - all began as blood pressure medication. The ED side benefits were discovered simply by pleasant accident.) It has nothing at all to do with E2 so just go back to your Cialis and enjoy life.
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01-30-2015, 12:22 AM #767Associate Member
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01-31-2015, 06:32 PM #769New Member
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My rat has been using the liquid from Ar-r for almost a year. Just as an fyi I am 55 on physician supervised TRT and my test animal uses 12mg of the Liquid Cia from AR-R each evening. The headaches, flushing, and red-eyes disappeared after a few weeks of uninterrupted use. Lab rat and Mrs Lab rat definitely enjoy the liquid Cialis.
Getting a script for daily Cialis is not a problem for me but the fing prices here in the US are just ridiculous. Fortunately my Lab Rat has the AR-R option that is cheap and Mrs. Lab Rat has never complained of the cost or benefits. Well, there may have been a few times when she was wanting to sleep but kept getting poked by something.
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01-31-2015, 06:41 PM #770New Member
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Duplicate post... not sure how to delete.
Last edited by butasha; 01-31-2015 at 06:43 PM. Reason: duplicate
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02-03-2015, 07:39 PM #771Junior Member
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I'm sensitive to E2 levels. It goes up easily. When it does I get very depressed. I had the same reaction to Cialis that I get if I do not take enough AI. I had the same problem with HCG .
Before that happened tho, sex was great.
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02-04-2015, 05:20 PM #772New Member
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Going on three weeks of 6.25mg/D of Tadalfil and still getting red eyes and light headaches. Most information I've read says these side affects will end over time but I'm losing hope.
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02-04-2015, 07:37 PM #773
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02-04-2015, 08:03 PM #774New Member
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02-27-2015, 10:33 PM #775Junior Member
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I may have found out why cialis makes me feel like shit: it affects serotonin levels.
Experimental evidence for sildenafil's action in the central nervou... - PubMed - NCBI
I'm on an SSRI for depression. I'm sensitive to other meds that affect serotonin. I mistook the serotonin change for high E2, which also causes depression for me.
It's too bad as the sexual effects were awesome.
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03-10-2015, 02:09 PM #777Junior Member
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Any of you guys taking Cialis ever had ear problems after taking it? I had some ear issues that happened around the time I was low dosing Cialis, but I'm not sure if I can peg it onto the Cialis as it persisted even after stopping it.
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03-10-2015, 03:45 PM #778New Member
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No ear problems yet, 6 months on
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03-10-2015, 08:50 PM #779
What kind of ear issues?
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03-23-2015, 11:52 AM #780
I used to have very good vein definition before I started my daily dosage. I guess the effects of the drug is better than the look I had.
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03-23-2015, 05:05 PM #781Associate Member
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can someone PM me with a good India .com to buy from?
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03-25-2015, 04:45 PM #782Associate Member
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My bottle of Liguid CIA arrived today..
How much is 2.5 mg? 1/6th of 1 ML? is that correct...
I just shake it up and put under my tongue or just swallow or mix with water?
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03-25-2015, 07:10 PM #783Banned
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Originally Posted by kewe
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03-25-2015, 07:49 PM #784Associate Member
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30mg 1ml
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03-25-2015, 08:49 PM #785Banned
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Originally Posted by kewe
You would need 1/12th of a ml for 2.5mg.
IMHO...
Use 1/10th of a ml for 3mg. Easier to measure.
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03-26-2015, 02:08 PM #786Associate Member
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Thanks. I will buy some Indian ones @ 20mg and slice into quarters and try that. My new insurance wont cover it anymore!
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03-26-2015, 07:38 PM #787
I know this is an old thread, but it's relevant to me at this point and I hope nobody minds I'm bumping this. I'm on TRT via the site sponsor since Oct 2013 and I'm having erectile issues although my test sits around 1044 and my e2 is a 39. It was suggested to me that a low dose of daily Cialis could really be beneficial for me as it goes down almost as soon as it goes up, which means sex life is non-existent and that doesn't make for a happy wife nor myself.
Cut to the chase: Any clue on what the site sponsor charges for their low dose Cialis? Trying to figure if I can manage it into the budget.
Thanks!
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03-26-2015, 07:41 PM #788
The Human Guinea Pig Project
Thursday morning set the girlfriend free and while hopping on a bus to Soi 4, dropped 20mg of Apcalis (a generic Cialis available in Thailand). Checked-in to the Nana Hotel around noon, and 90 minutes later embarked on a 2-hour, 2 girl oil massage in the room. All I can remember is a flurry of tits and asses.
I am considering the 20mg Apcalis a loading dose, and will begin taking 5mg daily on Day 3 of the experiment.
We'll see how it goes...
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03-26-2015, 07:45 PM #789Originally Posted by kewe
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03-26-2015, 09:07 PM #790
Not sure if I'm out of line asking my above question, but really trying to figure out how to budged C into my daily protocol. (Pituitary tumor, no pituitary function. 42 yrs old in July. TRT through site sponsor, prescribed an AI back mid last year. Crashed my E2 in the fall. Let it come back up, retested E2 and was at 39. Doc through site sponsor told me to go back on Anastrozole. Took it at only .25 twice per week as I was terrified of crashing E2 again. I did it for a few weeks in the fall and stopped as I have never gotten my erections back...well not enough satisfactorily for sex. The only way I get an erection is manual stim and not even that always works very well as when the manual stimulation ceases, so does the erection. Immediately. It's HORRIBLE.)
Which brings me to where I'm at now. It was brought to my attention that I should seriously investigate into getting a prescription for daily Cialis. I was told that once I get my script, I could purchase it through the site sponsor, or just go to CVS or Walgreens. I am terrified of what the price will be as I'm forking over all my extra just to keep myself on TRT for the rest of my life. So, if it's not against any rules of the forum, would anyone have even a ballpark idea of what the pharmacy through the site sponor would happen to charge? I looked up their site and didn't see any sort of pricing schedule, but I'm really happy with their TRT meds, so would like to probably stick with them if I can afford it. Can anyone help? Thanks! (If my question is out of line, I do apologize.)
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03-26-2015, 09:11 PM #791Junior Member
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03-27-2015, 09:43 AM #792
Info directly linked from this site:
Cialis 30mL 30mg/mL
I've tried this and it works well. Very economical once you break it down.
Also, look at your PM inbox
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03-27-2015, 06:23 PM #793
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03-27-2015, 11:57 PM #794Associate Member
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Good advice right here.
LFH40,
Your e2, if this is on the sensitive assay, could stand to come down a bit. 39 is too high for most guys, and could absolutely be contributing to your ED. The majority of men on TRT seem to feel their best in the 20-30 range, I'd say that we see more guys prefer 20-25.
Bringing e2 down without an AI seems to work best for most guys. So lowering your dose of testosterone seems to make the most sense for you. Most guys are able to bring their e2 down by injecting smaller doses, but with greater frequency.
There are also quite a few guys who seem to function better when their testosterone isn't close to maxing out the reference range. You'll see it posted here a lot, more is not always better when it comes to TRT.
What does your free T look like on your current protocol?
If you posted the details of your protocol here I'm sure we could help you figure out a way to make the right changes. And obviously, this is the type of thing that you'll want to talk to your doctor about as well.
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03-28-2015, 12:29 AM #795
As of September on my annual lab, see below. (I am taking my 6 month labs this coming Tuesday morning, so we will see where it all sits)
Total Testosterone : 1044ng/dL 348-1197
Free Testosterone: 25.6 pg/mL 6.8-21.5
Estradiol, Sensative: 39pg/mL 3-70
I inject .25cc every Wednesday and Saturday, and hCG .25cc on Tuesdays and Fridays.
I was prescribed Anastrozole, but I've crashed it before just on 1/2 a pill twice a week. I backed it down to 1/4 twice a week. Back in the fall I got nervous about crashing it again and I stopped it altogether. I know everyone is different. Some guys do well taking an AI everyday, but for me I don't think that is the right thing. I crash too easily. So before taking an AI again I want to see where I sit with the labs next week when I get my blood drawn. I go to LabCorp if that makes a difference in reviewing my numbers as other labs may have different reference points?
I haven't really had great erections since starting TRT. I FEEL a lot better after being a 192 total T, but the sex life is non-existent with the wife and if I have to clean the pipes on my own, as soon as any manual stimulation is stopped, so does jr. No morning wood, no nocturnal wood and not even a thought about any spontaneous erections. It's sad compared to when I was 20. I think in addition to maybe changing my protocol, I would really like to incorporate Cialis into my protocol either way.
Would dropping my dose have a negative effect on my workouts? As I mentioned in other threads, I was in decent shape for being over 40 until an on the job accident left me with two shoulder scopes in the last year. February was the first time I ever got to lift weights on TRT. I haven't even had a chance to see what TRT can do for my workouts. Don't get the wrong idea, I don't want TRT for my workouts, I have the tumor and I don't produce enough T, but I'm fascinated that I worked out for all these years with T in the 200s and 100s and stayed lean and defined, but now I have what I need in my system and want to get the maximum benefit of TRT.
I apologize for getting off base. I felt like I should explain my background a bit if I am asking for help. I won't go off on a tangent in a thread where it's only quasi related to the topic
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03-28-2015, 01:29 AM #796Associate Member
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So, assuming that your vial of testosterone is 200mg/ml, you're taking 50mg of testosterone every Wed and Sat.
Those are pretty impressive testosterone labs for somebody on a dose as reasonable as yours. Not unheard of at all, but it looks like you respond very well to TRT.
I think you should try lowering your dose to 40mg twice per week, so that would be .2ml on your syringe. Keep your dose of hCG the same. Retest in roughly 6 weeks and see where that puts you.
Your e2 will come down, although it's tough to predict exactly how much. If that doesn't get you where you need to be and feeling good, another minor change may be in order.
It won't have any negative effect on your workouts at all. If anything, I'd expect it to have a positive effect on your gym performance. Many guys feel lethargic when their e2 is too high, so you may have more energy in the gym.
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03-28-2015, 09:35 AM #797
Yes, I'm sorry, I should have clarified. It IS a 200mg/ml vial and I'm taking 50mg twice weekly. I honestly and genuinely appreciate your feedback! I will discuss it with my doctor when I confer with him after my labs. Thank you again for taking the time out to respond. It is very good information and I'll heed the advice.
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03-28-2015, 09:47 AM #798
LFH,
Chauffer is giving you some great advice, IMO. I would add that you may want to consider a SQ protocol and more frequently than twice a week. Daily, low dose works for me and several others and it may also work for you in keeping E2 at lower levels and feeling better overall. 14mg/day takes me to the top of the range and above, for both total and free T, and keeps my libido humming.
Regarding your comments on AIs: Men on TRT rarely need daily doses. Those on cycles do. When I first started out with a clinic (and knew very little about TRT), I was given Adex and was told to take 1/2 pill twice a week. (My T protocol was 100mg once a week). It didn't take long for me to figure out why I felt like shit whenever I took it. I was crashing my E2 and didn't need that much. I came to really dislike Adex because of its rebound effect and the difficulty of getting the dosing right. I found Exemestane/Aromasin and we became fast friends. I take 12.5mg (half a pill) once a week.
I can definitely relate to how you feel about what's going on with your wife in the bedroom. It took me fifteen years before I got the right medical care and came to terms with my condition. That's right. What's going on with you was going on with me for that long. And thank God for this forum and what I learned here. I feel like I'm in my thirties again. And my wife is on HRT along with me. We're having a better sex life now than we ever have!
It would be great if it did happen but we'll never have the physical/sexual abilities that we did in our twenties. I would like to get erections again that were so hard that they hurt, but we have to face the reality that as we age, certain things are just not possible. (I'm in my sixties). I'll just say that I'm certain that you WILL feel better. Just give it some time and you'll find your way.
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03-29-2015, 03:46 PM #799
LFH, is your test straight cyp?
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