gdevine and kel's TRT Protocol

[dreadnok89]

Is lowtestosterone.com up and running yet?

[furie5000]

Is lowtestosterone.com up and running yet?

Shoot them an email.

[steroid.com 1]

GD,

Any special reason for using a broad spectrum alpha blocker like Doxazosin instead of Tamsulosin, an alpha blocker with specific action in the urinary tract?
An alpha blocker like Doxazosin relaxes the smooth muscle tissues so in conjunction with a PDE5i like tadalafil it enhances erection quality significantly and increase pumps and vascularity in and after the gym. Has a long half life similar to Tadalafil so when coadministered they work great! There are studies on pubmed.com you can search.

I leave you with an abstract that compares the action of both:

"Efficacy and safety of tamsulosin hydrochloride compared to
doxazosin in the treatment of Indonesian patients with lower
urinary tract symptoms due to benign prostatic hyperplasia
DJOKO RAHARDJO,
1
DODDY M SOEBADI,
2
SUWANDI SUGANDI,
3
PONCO BIROWO,
1
WAHJOE DJATI
2
AND IRFAN WAHYUDI
3
1
Subdivision of Urology, Department of Surgery University of Indonesia, Cipto Mangunkusumo Hospital,
Jakarta,
2
Department of Urology Airlangga University, Sutomo Hospital, Surabaya, and
3
Subdivision of Urology,
Department of Surgery Padjadjaran University, Hasan Sadikin Hospital, Bandung, Indonesia
Aim: The objective of the study was to compare the efficacy and safety of tamsulosin hydrochloride and doxazosin in patients
with lower urinary tract symptoms (LUTS) due to benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH).
Methods: The safety and efficacy of tamsulosin (0.2 mg) and doxazosin (2 mg) was determined after once daily administration
for 6 weeks in an open-label, randomized, multicenter study of 101 men with BPH. The International Prostatic Symptom Score
(IPSS), maximal urinary flow rates (Qmax), average urinary flow rates (Qave) and residual urine were determined at baseline and
again at 6 weeks as efficacy parameters. The primary parameters used for safety evaluation were vital signs (blood pressure and
heart rate) and adverse events. The number of patients with a clinically significant response to treatment with tamsulosin or
doxazosin was determined and defined as those with >20% improvement from the baseline Qmax or >20% decrease in total IPSS.
Results: The total IPSS decreased significantly in both the tamsulosin and doxazosin groups compared to baseline. There was a
significant difference in the decrease in total IPSS between two groups. Qmax, Qave and residual urine significantly improved
only in the tamsulosin group. There were no significant differences in systolic blood pressure, diastolic blood pressure or heart
rate profile in the tamsulosin group; however, doxazosin resulted in a significant difference in systolic and diastolic blood pressure.
Tamsulosin was well tolerated; only three patients (6%) in the tamsulosin group reported an adverse event (dizziness) while 11
patients (22%) in the doxazosin group reported an adverse event (dizziness), one of whom withdrew from the study.
Conclusions: Tamsulosin was shown to be more effective than doxazosin in the treatment of LUTS due to BPH."

In bold.

[mein]

ignore

[mein]

Daily: 5 mg of Tadalafil every 12 hours. 2.5 mg of Selegeline. 2 mg of Doxazosin.

Monday and Thursday: .25 mg of Cabergoline

The Zinc is compounded into the testosterone .

My supplement list is long...

What benefit does the Selegiline provide?

[kelkel]

Here's a good read for you on Selegiline:

http://www.futurescience.com/deprenyl.html

[mein]

Thanks!

[caira1074]

seems like a small needle for im injection i thought 23-25g was the preferred size how do you get test cyp by watson to come out of that small a needle

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Here's a good read for you on Selegiline:

http://www.futurescience.com/deprenyl.html

OK kel I read the tag you posted and as usual with me something must have got lost in the translation ?

It sounds very risky and almost dangerous ? If you say it is good for us then from what I have seen I am inclined to believe you ! Please put into layman terms how it factually benifits humans ? No disrespect; just courious ?

[dreadnok89]

Damn devine, your avatar is out of hand. I think that fixed my low-t!

[steroid.com 1]

Here's a thread I started some time ago re Selegiline (Deprenyl).

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nyl&highlight=

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

In the Tag kel posted it stated that in a urine test that in the conversion the could show up as . . . . I can't even begin to spell the word so I will use the street name that means the same Meth, or speed when converted in the body ? Is this a fact or was it later disproved ?

[clarkster]

Curious about this as well.

[clarkster]

seems like a small needle for im injection i thought 23-25g was the preferred size how do you get test cyp by watson to come out of that small a needle

Before I starting going the SQ route, my Dr. gave me a handful of 27g needles and pinning was a breeze. Sure, a little slower than a 23g., but felt effortless.

[MisterD]

Gdevine

Do you do any blast thru out the year? And if you do what is your protocol? Do you still use Every Day: 50 mg oral DHEA and 50 mg of oral Pregnenolone both micronized and 2.5 mg of Selegiline if you were blasting?

Thanks

[steroid.com 1]

I do not blast...ever.

Still use preg and DHEA supps each morning as noted with the selegiline.

[MisterD]

By the looks of your avatar it doesnt look you would ever need to

[chickenstirfry]

GD,

You are so lucky that you can use 750ius of HCG a week without an AI! Do you feel that the rise in e2 from HCG is reduced after taking it for some time?

Also do you take any thyroid supplementation? I noticed that Ron Rothenberg says that most people are their 'happiest & healthiest' with a TSH below 1.0...

[steroid.com 1]

In low doses more frequently most men don't need an AI using HCG . If you do then you are more likely estrogen dominant and convert easily.

I supplement with Selenium and Kelp each day and use iodized table salt regularly for thyroid health.

[chickenstirfry]

In low doses more frequently most men don't need an AI using HCG . If you do then you are more likely estrogen dominant and convert easily.

I supplement with Selenium and Kelp each day and use iodized table salt regularly for thyroid health.

Thanks man, I will def look into those supps for Thyroid health. I haven't run Thyroid labs yet but I'm wondering if that may uncover some clues as to why I have a very low SHGB of 15 and I seem to be converting to e2 very easily. Even 100iu's gives me a lot of bloat. I know that you think that AI's are pretty much ineffective at taming HCG induced e2 problems, but do you think it would be worth trying Aromasin ? I'm having to dose Adex pretty heavy to keep things in check at the moment and I've heard anecdotally that Aromasin deals with intra-testicular estrogen more effectively...

[steroid.com 1]

Do do anything till you get blood work.

Make sure to read kel's sticky on finding a TRT Doc you will see the labs you need and get every thyroid lab you can most importantly FT4, FT3, RT3 and antibodies.

[clarkster]

In low doses more frequently most men don't need an AI using HCG . If you do then you are more likely estrogen dominant and convert easily.


I supplement with Selenium and Kelp each day and use iodized table salt regularly for thyroid health.

How do you know if your estrogen dominant?

[steroid.com 1]

How do you know if your estrogen dominant?

Blood work.

[clarkster]

So would the blood work mean that if you take say 100mg. of Test Cyp a week and need an AI, does that mean your estrogen dominant?
Or how about you need to raise your Test Cyp from 100mg. a week to 120 or 140 does this mean you're a hyper excreter?

[junk2222yard]

I supplement with Selenium and Kelp each day and use iodized table salt regularly for thyroid health.

How much selenium and iodine (in the form of kelp) do you take each day?

I know it is for your thyroid, but are you doing it specifically to help converting T4 to T3?

[Nate02]

gdevine, you should definitely sticky this thread. Learned a lot.

[steroid.com 1]

How much selenium and iodine (in the form of kelp) do you take each day?

I know it is for your thyroid, but are you doing it specifically to help converting T4 to T3?

200 mcg of Selenium daily...and no more than this.

Kelp 550 mg daily and if you can get it with 400 mcg of Folic Acid even better as it helps with uptake and absorption.

Use Iodized Salt on all your food. Believe it or not, most table salt is not iodized and one reason for Thyroid issues in our population.

Salt is not bad for you!

Buy Iodized salt and add it to all you foods.

It taste great and your Thyroid will love you for it!!!

[Moparman]

Really?? I stopped adding salt long ago. I thought its bad for u

[Soar]

Really?? I stopped adding salt long ago. I thought its bad for u

Took the words out of my mouth!

[kelkel]

Guys read this on iodized salt:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2011/...iciency_01.htm

and trust gd on thyroid issues. Best we have here on the topic!

kel

[Rusty11]

Two things:

Good God, kel. Your freaking veins are bigger than my legs. Nice!!! And yea, I'm jealous.

gd...I'm keeping track of your suppliments. I'd be happy to build you a 10' X10' X 10' storage shed to hold them all. Heh!

Seriously, whatever you two do, is obviously working. You guys ARE the 1%. And you spread the wealth. CLASS ACTS!

[Moparman]

So can we get iodine from a suppliments other than salt? Seems like we should.

I swear I just read an article telling us how bad table salt is because of the high heat used to make it turns it into a toxic nightmare. I'll have to try and find the article. It may me happy I cut salt out of my diet.

[Moparman]

How to increase your iodine levels

Foods high in iodine are: Seaweed dishes, kelp, kale, broccoli, cabbage, peanuts, Brussels sprouts, turnips and kohlrabi.

The thyroid gland uses iodine to help create its essential hormones. But iodine could use a little help from zinc, copper, and selenium. Make sure you're also getting those nutrients in your diet or through supplements.

[Vinman]

I have thyroid issues, and am taking a T3 and T4, but I also add iodine drops to a glass of water each day

[steroid.com 1]

Please read the link that kel was kind enough to find and post for you all and you will see how important iodized salt is to your health...

Just a couple of sentences from the LEF paper to put it into perspective:

"The Morton company was the first to add iodine to salt in 1924, after a successful public health campaign. Unfortunately, as evidenced by recent FDA findings, many table salt makers are now failing to add iodine in quantities sufficient to support optimal health".

Or...

"But by cutting our salt intake we are also cutting our iodine intake, which is why mean urinary iodine levels (a measure of iodine sufficiency) plummeted by more than half over a 20-year period. Additional, otherwise healthy behaviors have also contributed to inadequate iodine intake".

Salt is not your enemy!!!

[clarkster]

Great link Kel. It's typical, Fear has lead to practically the whole country is under the impression that salt is the enemy when in actuality, it may have prevented so many health problems that plague so many of us in the first place. Well done GD and Kel.