hepatic function panel. Liver function High.

**lovbyts** · 02-06-2013, 10:16 PM

My liver functions are pretty high.
Everything else is in normal ranges.
I stopped a cycle about a month ago and continued with trt.
very little alcohol use. Liver has been good over the years. Had Hepatitis B 1990. All test have been good/ok up to now and blood test show all signs of Hepatitis B are gone from my system. Not a carrier.
I do take quite a few OTC vitamins, 15+ a day
I just started taking TUDCA wich is supposed to be a good liver cleaner but only just before my test so I'm sure it did not have time to do any real good.
I also take liv52 and milk thistle almost daily.
I'm going in for an ultra sound test for the liver soon.
Any ideas?

6/6/2012

SGOT

34,

5-40

IU/L

SGPT

57,

6-60

IU/L

10/11/2012

SGOT

41,

5-40

IU/L

H

SGPT

37,

6-60

IU/L

1/4/2013

SGOT

49,

5-40

IU/L

H

SGPT

32,

6-60

IU/L

2/4/2013

SGOT/AST

102,

5-40

IU/L

H

SGPT

68,

6-60

IU/L

H

**Vahevahe** · 02-07-2013, 02:56 AM

What are ur stats age weight height etc

Did you have any type of exersice on the day of the bloodtest? This can elevate ast.

Just had a ultrasound done last week My ast came back 10 points higher than top range. I am not sure on wheater 40+ points higher would indicate there is a problem. but either way you should start a diet and exercise regime to lower the load on the liver and stay away from alcohol and spicy foods. Goodluck and honestly it is probably nothing but do the ultrasound to be on the safe side.

**lovbyts** · 02-07-2013, 02:38 PM

How is my formating? On my phone it's messed up but on the computer it looks fine?

Age 50
Trt for 5+ years
Dont remember if I trained the day of the test, maybe.
I know I did not drink for at least several days before the test. No spicy foods.

After some reading I think it may be my new BP medication. One of the side effects is elevated liver enzymes. Nice.

**kelkel** · 02-07-2013, 02:51 PM

Very well could be your meds. Especially ruling out alcohol and hep. Those enzymes are released in response to damage and your med could possible be doing it. Could even be a gallstone for that matter.

**steroid.com 1** · 02-07-2013, 03:09 PM

Agree with kel as well.

Keep in mind, elevated liver enzymes are not a sign of liver dysfunction or impairment per se; it reflects inflammation somewhere in the body and not necessarily the liver.

So you could have something going on somewhere else beyond a liver condition or your meds.

Do some Google searches on the meds and see what you find.

**38onTRT** · 02-07-2013, 03:11 PM

What did your Cycle consist of?

**stevelifts** · 02-07-2013, 03:16 PM

A couple weeks of udca may suit you nicely.

**lovbyts** · 02-07-2013, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by 38onTRT

What did your Cycle consist of?

Test 200mg week
Tren 400mg week
Mast 600mg week
Only 6 weeks had to stop short for blood work.

Started udca a few days befor the test. Was taking liv52 and milk thistle. Im going to continue with the udca of course.

**stevelifts** · 02-07-2013, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Test 200mg week
Tren 400mg week
Mast 600mg week
Only 6 weeks had to stop short for blood work.

Started udca a few days befor the test. Was taking liv52 and milk thistle. Im going to continue with the udca of course.

I apologize for missing this in your post.

**lovbyts** · 02-19-2013, 07:58 AM

Just got my results. Not much to report.

US ABDOMINAL

HISTORY: Abnormal liver function tests.

PROCEDURE: Multiple transabdominal real-time sonographic images were
obtained.

COMPARISON: None.

FINDINGS: The liver is unremarkable, without focal mass lesion or
intrahepatic ductal dilatation. The common duct is within normal limits,
measuring 5 mm at the level of the hepatic artery. The gallbladder
demonstrates subtle wall thickening or adherent sludge within the
gallbladder fundus, measuring up to 5 mm in thickness. No mural
nodularity, mobile stones, or sonographic Murphy sign is identified. No
associated ringdown artifact is identified.

The spleen measures 9.7 cm in length, and is unremarkable. The pancreas
is grossly unremarkable. The aorta and inferior vena cava are within
normal limits. No free fluid is noted.

The right kidney measures 11.4 cm in length, and the left kidney measures
10.9 cm in length. Both kidneys demonstrate normal echotexture, contour
and cortical thickness. No renal mass, hydronephrosis or perinephric
fluid collection is identified.

IMPRESSION: Subtle focal gallbladder wall thickening versus adherent
sludge within the gallbladder fundus. Focal adenomyomatosis may be
present; although, no ringdown artifact is identified. Sonographic
followup may be helpful.

I hope to do another blood test this week and see if things have returned to normal. I stopped taking my BP meds to see if that was it.

**APIs** · 02-19-2013, 08:37 AM

IMO 15+ OTC Vitamins is a lot for the liver to handle. Wouldn’t be surprised if that's the culprit...

**lovbyts** · 02-19-2013, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by APIs

IMO 15+ OTC Vitamins is a lot for the liver to handle. Wouldn’t be surprised if that's the culprit...

They are taking throughout the day mostly with food.

Ive also read that Cholesterol meds can raise the SGOT

**lovbyts** · 02-19-2013, 01:13 PM

It seems the doctor does want to check this out although there is no pain or discomfort. Any thoughts?

IMPRESSION: Subtle focal gallbladder wall thickening versus adherent
sludge within the gallbladder fundus. Focal adenomyomatosis may be
present; although, no ringdown artifact is identified. Sonographic
followup may be helpful.

**Bonaparte** · 02-19-2013, 01:35 PM

It's probably the Tren . Just 50mg Eod for 6 weeks did about the same to my AST. You should add NAC

**joebailey1271** · 02-19-2013, 02:03 PM

LB, my enzymes was elevated before while i was taking creatine, the doctor told me to stop taking and re do the test, after about 5 weeks off they was WNL. Also zocor/statin type meds will increase them, which is why alot of people forgo on taking them

**lovbyts** · 02-19-2013, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by joebailey1271

LB, my enzymes was elevated before while i was taking creatine, the doctor told me to stop taking and re do the test, after about 5 weeks off they was WNL. Also zocor/statin type meds will increase them, which is why alot of people forgo on taking them

Thats what I figured and is why I stopped the statins also. It funny years of pain meds didnt effect it as much as blood pressure and cholesteral meds. I stopped all pain meds and anti inflammatory 4+ months ago

**lovbyts** · 02-22-2013, 02:31 PM

New results after 2 weeks stoping the cholesterol medication (statin) and blood pressure meds
SGOT was 102, now 36 range 5-40
SGPT was 68, now 15 range 6-60

**joebailey1271** · 02-22-2013, 11:37 PM

great news man, yea them statins are killers,

**joebailey1271** · 02-22-2013, 11:43 PM

U can use non flush niacin to lower it, also sweat more when u workout, sweating more will help u lower cholesterol naturally, from mayo clinic

Cholesterol and sweating provide an all-natural way to improve your heart health. The two can work in a synergistic manner to not only improve your cardiovascular functioning, but also your overall level of health and longevity. In order to provide cholesterol benefits, sweating must be combined with moving your body more on a regular basis. Check with your doctor prior to starting any new exercise program

so just add a couple layers of clothing and sweat it out

**Bonaparte** · 02-22-2013, 11:47 PM

^^^ His question was about liver enzymes, not natural ways to lower cholesterol.

**joebailey1271** · 02-22-2013, 11:54 PM

Hey bon, he said he used statins, what do u think that is for, u might wanna look it up before u spout off

**joebailey1271** · 02-22-2013, 11:56 PM

I aint trying to be a dick, but you are

**Bonaparte** · 02-23-2013, 12:09 AM

Thanks for enlightening me as to what statins are for. I could really stand to learn a lot from you and the Mayo clinic's homepage

Don't mouth off because you didn't take the time to read the thread and rambled some useless, off-topic advice. Hepatic dysfunction is actually a rare side effect of statins.
http://blogs.webmd.com/cholesterol-m...the-liver.html <----(SCARY STUFF!!!!)

He needs to just lay off the Tren and add some NAC to his supps, not go jogging in a sweat suit.

**Vettester** · 02-23-2013, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by joebailey1271

I aint trying to be a dick, but you are

Joe, that's getting a bit confrontational, and truthfully uncalled for. If you have a point that you stand behind, fair enough, but calling Bon a dick (or anyone) isn't going to go over well. Especially here in the HRT forum, where we work hard to keep it clean. You've been here a bit and know we're good guys, and you know Bon is packed with knowledge. Please make good on this. Thanks.

For the record, I used flush Niacin at one point to see if it would work. Not only did my Chol go to 250, but my enzymes were off the charts with it.

**joebailey1271** · 02-23-2013, 12:56 AM

The sweat suit thing, i did not make that up, i have heard alot of people say its true including cardiologist. As far as the his liver being harmed by it, well he was on statins and his liver enzymes was elevated, he got off and now they are normal in one and real close to normal in the other. Coincidence, could it have been a bunk lab, or something else, of course. So it may be rare according to that study, but thats only one old study and many people have had the same problem, not too mention muscle damage.

Im not tyring to argue, but u posted ^^^^lol, then u edited because you probably googled the sweating thing, so u came back, Hey he didnt ask for natural ways blah blah blah.

**joebailey1271** · 02-23-2013, 12:57 AM

Yea your right Vette, im a dick for calling him one. Ill just slap myself for that.

**Bonaparte** · 02-23-2013, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by joebailey1271

Im not tyring to argue, but u posted ^^^^lol, then u edited because you probably googled the sweating thing, so u came back, Hey he didnt ask for natural ways blah blah blah.

I'm fully aware that cardio (and the accompanied sweating) is good for your lipids.
I edited because I caught myself being a dick, but still had to put something.

**joebailey1271** · 02-23-2013, 01:08 AM

ok cool man

**lovbyts** · 02-23-2013, 01:34 AM

No bunk labs. It had been slowly raising over the last 6 months and 3 different liver test starting about the same time I started taking crestor (cholesterol meds) regularly.

I appreciate the cholesterol lowering suggestion. Yeah not using tren would be another option but we all have different goals and tren will be a part of mine off and on so I need to find alternatives to help keep things normalised as much as possible.

I will be using udca, liv52 and milk thistle on cycle to help the liver. I will look into the NAC as well.

**AnabolicDoc** · 02-23-2013, 01:50 AM

You may have AAS induced liver inflammation. The treatment is ursodiol (ursodeoxycholic acid/UDCA) at 10-15mg/kg per day divided into 2-3 doses and taken with a fatty meal. I think it may be worth getting a hep B antigen level tested eventhough your not a carrier and your LFTs are not high enough to indicate viral hepatitis.

**lovbyts** · 02-23-2013, 02:01 AM

Thanks for that, I have had the liver test hep B antigen test done and all is good. Due to the hep B I. 1990 I do a lot of testing.

**Rusty11** · 02-23-2013, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

New results after 2 weeks stoping the cholesterol medication (statin) and blood pressure meds
SGOT was 102, now 36 range 5-40
SGPT was 68, now 15 range 6-60

Glad to see things are improved. Wondering about stopping the bp meds. Is that a good idea?

**lovbyts** · 02-23-2013, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Rusty11

Glad to see things are improved. Wondering about stopping the bp meds. Is that a good idea?

I think it's fine. Off cycle its pretty normal and maybe up to 140/80. Ill try the 5-10mg cialis a day to see if that helps and if it gets out of range ill jump back on the bp meds, I have plenty on hand.

**Rusty11** · 02-23-2013, 01:16 PM

I figured you had it worked out. I've been off Toprol for a year now. Its a nice feeling.

**lovbyts** · 02-23-2013, 09:18 PM

I was on LOSARTAN but they switched me to LOSARTAN after figuring out that is what was causing my cough for the last 6 months....

I think the losartan could also be contributing to the high liver enzyme test and since my blood pressure is not really HIGH most of the time I should be able to control it naturally or with Cialis.