My new Protocol

[VTX1800]

The following is my current order after seeing my new doc yesterday afternoon. Any thoughts or opinions would be appreciated.
·
HCG 11,000 units; 600 unites injected Sub Q, 2 times per week
· Diabetic Syringes, #16

· Testosterone Cypionate 200 mg/ml; inject 0.5 ml 2 times per week
· 1 ml Lurelock syringes; 25 g, 5/8” needles to inject and 18g needles to draw

· Clomiphine 25 mg; take 1 daily for testicular hypofunction

· Anastrazole 1 mg; take ½ tab 3 times per week

[VTX1800]

This order is for 2 months, my test level is 50 and free test 1.4. Won't know my estrogen level until bw comes back.

[chickenstirfry]

Hi VTX,

As far as I know Clomid while on TRT serves no use.

Testicular 'hypofunction', if you mean what I think you mean, will be addressed by the HCG .

[VTX1800]

Hi VTX,

As far as I know Clomid while on TRT serves no use.

Testicular 'hypofunction', if you mean what I think you mean, will be addressed by the HCG.

The crazy part is that was the most expensive...$120 for 60 of em. I've also read about c not working like people think. Def. something I will discuss with my doc in 6 weeks. My hcg was $58 cyp $38 Ana. $20 syringes 9.60 and shipping 20 for over night. Pharmacy out of Florida they have amazing prices

[Black]

The crazy part is that was the most expensive...$120 for 60 of em. I've also read about c not working like people think. Def. something I will discuss with my doc in 6 weeks. My hcg was $58 cyp $38 Ana. $20 syringes 9.60 and shipping 20 for over night. Pharmacy out of Florida they have amazing prices

Wow, impressive prices. Is this through insurance?

[steroid.com 1]

The following is my current order after seeing my new doc yesterday afternoon. Any thoughts or opinions would be appreciated.
·
HCG 11,000 units; 600 unites injected Sub Q, 2 times per week
· Diabetic Syringes, #16
Way way too much! You should be injecting smaller doses more frequently. At the every least 250 iu EOD. You stand increasing intratesticular E2 and desensitizing you leydig cells.

· Testosterone Cypionate 200 mg/ml; inject 0.5 ml 2 times per week
· 1 ml Lurelock syringes; 25 g, 5/8” needles to inject and 18g needles to draw
400 mg per week is not TRT; this is way to much. Consider the higher end of TRT is 200 mg per week.

· Clomiphine 25 mg; take 1 daily for testicular hypofunction
You don't need this; HCG will keep your testicles functioning.

· Anastrazole 1 mg; take ½ tab 3 times per week

What was you E2 before starting this protocol?

In bold.

[jomamma007]

What was you E2 before starting this protocol?

In bold.

He's doing .5ml twice a week so 1 ml= 200mg of cypionate i believe

[VTX1800]

He's doing .5ml twice a week so 1 ml= 200mg of cypionate i believe

I was actually shocked at the prices. I have great insurance but NO it's NOT under insurance. I plan on turning in my receipt and hope Anthem will repay some of it at least. Same thing goes for my dr. Appt which cost me $238...$175 for actual dr visit the rest was for labs that weren't checked in my initial bw from Pcp.
Estrogen was one of the 3 things being checked in bw. Is that what E2 is that you were referring to?

U r correct 007 I am doing .5ml twice a week. I will continue posting all new info on this thread including bw that will be coming in next week as well as my respone to the Therapy. Im going to have a lot And I mean ALOT of questions that I will need your guys help on.

Im really curious to see how the clomid works an Im wondering of I should even be taking it. So if anyone could chime In on that Id appreciate it. BTW the pharmacy is overnighting my supply so I will have everything at my door tomorrow by noon. Gotta love Saturday delivery!!!!

[VTX1800]

Gdevine, my estradiol wasn't included in my first bw performed by my Pcp. My test came back at 50 and free was 1.4 so he prescribed androgel aNd that's when I decided to seek more advanced treatment. I will know my E2 level next week And will be sure to post it. I have a strong feeling that its going to be pretty dang high.

[VTX1800]

Why can't I post, keeps givin me spam report???? I typed all that 4 nothing!!!

[VTX1800]

Sorry about my post referring to clomid I did not see your reply under each one listed. As mentioned Im only on 200ml/mg a week. And please give me more info on the hcg . My doctor is basically trying to prevent my sperm from going down. My wife and I are trying to have our 1st child. Should I inject 3x a week with the dose you mentioned regarding hcg?

It's hard to believe that the clomid won't be beneficial to my therapy since doc wants me taking iit every day. It's $60 a month, trust me I'd love to dismiss it from the bill.

[steroid.com 1]

Why can't I post, keeps givin me spam report???? I typed all that 4 nothing!!!

You're a new member and the spam filter is being a little over aggressive...I'll have a talk with her about the situation

[Black]

Sorry about my post referring to clomid I did not see your reply under each one listed. As mentioned Im only on 200ml/mg a week. And please give me more info on the hcg . My doctor is basically trying to prevent my sperm from going down. My wife and I are trying to have our 1st child. Should I inject 3x a week with the dose you mentioned regarding hcg?

It's hard to believe that the clomid won't be beneficial to my therapy since doc wants me taking iit every day. It's $60 a month, trust me I'd love to dismiss it from the bill.

Hey buddy, you might have missed my post above. Not to be a pest, but do you go through a clinic and pay out of pocket or does your doc accept insurance?

[steroid.com 1]

Yea, I saw the 200 mg per week. I was on a plane when I was on the forum and was being crushed by a huge fat guy...for 3 freaking hours so paying keen attention was not easy LOL!

Most insurance companies don't pay for what a TRT specialist like my Doctor prescribes so I pay out of pocket...and he's worth every penny and more.

Now guys like kel get all or most of his drugs paid for BUT kel was diagnosed with a pituitary tumor so most of his stuff gets picked up...the lucky bastered

[HRTstudent]

I have seen that there are some people testing clomid while on TRT. I look forward to the results.

But, this would usually be used in place of HCG . HCG keeps the testes functioning - to a degree. Quite frankly, I would ask the doctor why he is prescribing clomid.

Looking at your very aggressive starting point, my intuition tells me you're at a clinic who mainly wants to prescribe drugs at high doses and has less concern for quality of life than they do for pure profit.

[Black]

Most insurance companies don't pay for what a TRT specialist like my Doctor prescribes so I pay out of pocket...and he's worth every penny and more.

That's why I was wondering where the OP gets his treatment at. The prices he listed are WAY better than where I'm at. I need all the help I can get paying out of pocket.

[VTX1800]

That's why I was wondering where the OP gets his treatment at. The prices he listed are WAY better than where I'm at. I need all the help I can get paying out of pocket.

Im in north Georgia, Doc is in Roswell. They called my script into a pharmacy in FL whom sends it over night. I'm paying out of pocket but I have great health insurance. I will know more on what they will and won't cover in a few weeks. I don't mind giving u the pharmacy name. PM me

[Vettester]

Absolutely redundant to take clomid and HCG simultaneously!

Let's say by chance the Clomid is effective with generating GnRH--> LH/FSH, the testicles will already be receiving all the necessary LH via exogenous administration of HCG. If you could restart with Clomid, then a PCT would be appropriate, and then you wouldn't need TRT. The doctor must have diagnosed you as hypogonadism, presuming secondary? If so, then he would realize that the HPTA isn't functioning effectively, so that would explain a script for testosterone . We are prescribed testosterone when the body fails to produce its own.

All that compound right out of the gate, and load ya up on AI as well. This stuff is for life, and it's about balance. You can hear this message now, or you can hear it later.

[steroid.com 1]

That's why I was wondering where the OP gets his treatment at. The prices he listed are WAY better than where I'm at. I need all the help I can get paying out of pocket.

Did you see the banner at the top of the forum???

www.lowtestosterone.com

$199 per month all inclusive and no hidden costs...and they will fly you in as well...can't beat it man!

[VTX1800]

[QUOTE=Vettester;6406258]Absolutely redundant to take clomid and HCG simultaneously!

Let's say by chance the Clomid is effective with generating GnRH--> LH/FSH, the testicles will already be receiving all the necessary LH via exogenous administration of HCG. If you could restart with Clomid, then a PCT would be appropriate, and then you wouldn't need TRT. The doctor must have diagnosed you as hypogonadism, presuming secondary? If so, then he would realize that the HPTA isn't functioning effectively, so that would explain a script for testosterone . We are prescribed testosterone when the body fails to produce its own.

All that compound right out of the gate, and load ya up on AI as well. This stuff is for life, and it's about balance. You can hear this message now, or you can hear it later.[/QUOTE

Yeah I do realize what Im on is for life.... My doc and I have had that discussion. My balance will be determined when proper bw is competed in a few weeks. Like I said...I will post all reports and updates.
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[VTX1800]

Let me be honest, u guys got me confused as hell. Not sure if I should take clomid or not or if I should take less hcg

[Trific]

Hopefully you are not feeling picked on....these guys really are looking out for you....they are a good bunch of people!

[ElDude]

Did you see the banner at the top of the forum???

www.lowtestosterone.com

$199 per month all inclusive and no hidden costs...and they will fly you in as well...can't beat it man!

They will definitely NOT fly you in to get treatment.

OP, I am just about to start TRT and am on a similar type of Rx. my doc gave me Test Cyp, hCG and Arimidex . My insurance covered my Test Cyp (200/mg per ml) $10, Arimidex $10 and hCG $50

[VTX1800]

Def. not feelin picked on, this is why I posted my treatment...so guys who have been around 20 more years with experience in HRT can pick apart my protocol. This is what I want, I want to find out what's best for my body and I know that docs not always right. I would like to know wht to start on though with my shipment arriving in 12 hours. Thanks again to everyone who chimed in! I appreciate it greatly.

[VTX1800]

Did you see the banner at the top of the forum???

www.lowtestosterone.com

$199 per month all inclusive and no hidden costs...and they will fly you in as well...can't beat it man!

Yes I've spoke. With the owner about the north ga clinic and he advised me he would call me in a few weeks once his doctors were trained. Forgot his ne but we spoke for roughly 10 minutes regarding my situation. Great guy, can't wait to hear from him.

[Vettester]

Yea, I saw the 200 mg per week. I was on a plane when I was on the forum and was being crushed by a huge fat guy...for 3 freaking hours so paying keen attention was not easy LOL!

The airports are just a cesspool with these guys. Then they fall asleep and start snoring on you.

[VTX1800]

Still debating on if I should take the clomid or not, and doing Every other day hcg inj. At 250iu. I guess I should take the advice given. Hcg 600iu twice a week does seems like too much Nd not often enough.

[VTX1800]

Need hcg mixing help please
I have 11,000 UI hcg and 22ml of bac water. I'm prescribed to take 600 units twice a week. So the bottle says mix 5.5 ml bac. Water and inject 600 units.

I have decided to inject every other day at 250 IU. Can someone please help me, not sure how much bac to add. Im think I should add 11ml of bac and fill to .25cc on a 1cc easy touch. That would be 250iu correct??? Please help!

[Vettester]

Posted answer on your other thread. Please try to keep your Q's and such on one thread if possible, otherwise members tend to get confused and off track with what you're doing

[VTX1800]

Noted...will do. My bad

[VTX1800]

What's the point if sending 22ml of bac water when the bottle states to use only 5.5?

[Vettester]

This was my answer on your other thread ...

OK, do this and it will make it real easy for you.

Reconstitute your HCG with 4.4ml of bac water.

10 units on your insulin pin will = .250iu.

Keep in mind, your HCG will start losing some of its potency at/around day 48 to 50, then it just declines from there. For that alone, it's best to get 5,000iu vials or smaller.

Keep in the fridge, keep out of the light, don't shake or handle roughly.

Cheers



Also, if you mixed 11ml of bac water, it's not the end of the world. Live and learn, you will know next time. Just go with 25 units on the insulin syringe. It's more water than what you really want, but it will have to make due til you get it the next time. Again, have some back up of it. If it crashes, or whatever, you need more than 1 vial on hand, plus you will see the effectiveness of it diminish as you close in towards day 50.

[VTX1800]

Thank you greatly for the reply. I will look into finding some back up.

[VTX1800]

So Im still getting 250 iu when I feel to the 25 line??? There is just more BAC mixed in with the hcg than I need. Is that correct?

[VTX1800]

So Im day 3 into my protcol, hit the gym much harder than I have been in the past 8 months. I know the majority of it has to do with the "mind power" gAme. I haven't felt nearly as tired through my work day. I have an hour and a half left for the 8 hour day. I'm usually fighting to stay awake or nodding off frequently through my day but this hasn't been an issue as of today. Possibly HCG helping with fatigue??? Not sure.
My next pin of test is Wednesday, and I must say Im extremely looking forward to it.

I can tell I will be paying much more attention to what I eat and drink! No more beers after work and I keep up with every calorie that goes into my body. Im down to 217 from 221...hey ya gotta start some where!!!

[VTX1800]

The following is my current order after seeing my new doc yesterday afternoon. Any thoughts or opinions would be appreciated.
·
HCG 11,000 units; 600 unites injected Sub Q, 2 times per week
· Diabetic Syringes, #16

· Testosterone Cypionate 200 mg/ml; inject 0.5 ml 2 times per week
· 1 ml Lurelock syringes; 25 g, 5/8” needles to inject and 18g needles to draw

· Clomiphine 25 mg; take 1 daily for testicular hypofunction

· Anastrazole 1 mg; take ½ tab 3 times per week

I must say after using the androgel for 3 weeks prior to switching protocol and docs, I started having a leangering pain in my testical. The boys obviously had shrunk from some cycles don't dont safely years ago. But I'm glad to say there feeling much better. Haven't felt that pain in my right nut since Saturday which hcg was administered.
I know nobody cares but I wanted to share that!

[VTX1800]

2nd shot of test was completed early this morning prior to my morning legs routine. I can't say I feel a whole lot better but I must say I don't feel nearly as lethargic as I have been feeling when I was on androgel by its self. I believe my mood is some what stable and the hard ons are def. there. Go back to doc for BW on April 4th. Will provide complete results as soon as I receive them.

I have been wondering about what time of day is best to take my meds? Currently I take everything as Aston as I wake up. I can't see why it would matter If I took them at mid day or late afternoon. So there's my update, not much info but I felt like posting.

[VTX1800]

-CBC with dif platelet
WBC 6.2 (4.0-10.5x10e3/uL)
Rbc 4.66 (4.14-5.80x10e6/uL)
Hemoglobin 13.6 (12.6-17.7 g/dl)
Hematocrit 40.1. (37.5-51.0%)
Mcv 86(79-97fl)
Mch 29.2 (26.6-33.0 pg)
Mchc 33.9(31.5-35.7 g/dl)
Neutrophils 52 (40-74%)
Lymphs 36 (14-46%)
Monocytes 9 (4-13%)
Eos 2 (0-7%)
Basos 1 (0-3%)
Platelets 285 (140-415x10e3/uL)
Neuttophils (absolute) 3.2 (1.8-7.8 x 10e3/uL
Lymphs absolute 2.2 (0.7-4.5x10e3/uL
Monocytes absolute 0.6(0.1-1.0 ". "
EOs absolute 0.1 (0.0-0.4 x10e3/uL)
Baso absolute 0.1 (0.0-0.2x10e3/uL)
Rdw 13.7 (12.3-15.4%)

-test,free,total
Testosterone serum 50(348-1197 ng/dl) L
Free testosterone (direct) 1.4 (9.3-26.5 pg/ml)L

-TSH + free t4
TSH 2.100 (0.450-4.500 uiu/ml)
T4,free direct 1.08

Lipid panel
Cholesterol 156 (100-199mg/dl)
Triglycerides 80 (0-149 mg/dl)
Hdl cholesterol 55 (>39mg/dl)
VLDL cholesterol cal 16 (5-40 mg/dl)
LDL cholesterol calc 85 (0-99 mg/dl)

Just wanted include my bw numbers. It took way tooo long to type all that out on my iPhone. Shessshhkkkk.

[VTX1800]

Kind of hoping vett or gd chime In with there 2 cents on this one. In my eyes every thing appears normal besides my T levels. FYI doc didnt check estradiol, or prolactin levels.
I should hear back this week for my...
Estradiol
Gonadotropin FSH
Gondarropin, luteinizing hor

These were checked at my NEW dr. TRT was initially started over a week ago. I should have these results tomorrow and will post ASAP.

[HRTstudent]

Not only are your testosterone numbers pretty dismal, but your thyroid probably isn't running optimally either.