Nelson Vergel Consultation

**100%** · 04-06-2013, 01:26 PM

I read his book Testosterone : A Man's Guide" really liked it. So I book a hour consultation with him. Really interested in what he has to to say. He has been on hrt for 20 plus yrs.

**powerlifterty16** · 04-06-2013, 05:04 PM

what is he going to do for you? He isnt an md.

**HRTstudent** · 04-06-2013, 05:15 PM

Let us know how it goes I suppose...

What are you looking for from him?

**steroid.com 1** · 04-06-2013, 06:32 PM

He's a good dude and I like him a lot.

He's not a clinician so please know that; he educated himself well as a layman.

**Vinman** · 04-06-2013, 07:04 PM

buy his book... I'm sure its cheaper than the hour consultation, and you will get the same answers.

or, you could just save your hard-earner money by taking some advice from the experts here

**100%** · 04-06-2013, 09:02 PM

After dealing with Doctors and so called specialist the last few weeks. MD after the name holds very little weight with me. There are a lot of members on this site that have way more knowledge on the subject then a lot of MD out there. There are very few guy out there that have been doing it as long as he has so its worth it to me.

***system admin*** · 04-06-2013, 09:06 PM

AMEN to that statement!!!!! I have some stories about these "MD's" that would just blow your mind. Many dont even want to know the right way to do it because it requires CHANGE and some of these doctors are just flat out idiots with PHD's.

BTW, I asked Nelson if he had advertising availability. If any of you know him, I would appreciate a nudge

Bc

Originally Posted by 100%

After dealing with Doctors and so called specialist the last few weeks. MD after the name holds very little weight with me. There are a lot of members on this site that have way more knowledge on the subject then a lot of MD out there. There are very few guy out there that have been doing it as long as he has so its worth it to me.

**powerlifterty16** · 04-06-2013, 09:31 PM

trust me man, i understand where you are coming from. I would bet my life on it that 99 percent of the members here know more than 70 percent of the doctors practicing when it comes to hrt. With that being said, only md's and do's can give you legal drugs. I don't see what this vergel guy can offer that kelkel can't free from this forum?

***system admin*** · 04-06-2013, 09:39 PM

The interesting thing about this medicine is though its not been researched to the point of fully understanding all aspects, it really is NOT a lot to know. Its really fairly simple. I think that many people on this forum know as much or close to it. Hands on experience is really key to being good at anything and we will continue to improve and educate others from those experiences.

**VTX1800** · 04-07-2013, 06:58 AM

My question is WHY??? Why has TRT not been researched through and through. Obviously it's a gold mine but I just can't comprehend why there is a lack of knowledge on the subject. Every PHD should be required to READ THE STICKIES before prescribing any form of testosterone !!! Lol

**powerlifterty16** · 04-07-2013, 07:20 AM

doctors dont view testosterone as important.

Originally Posted by VTX1800

My question is WHY??? Why has TRT not been researched through and through. Obviously it's a gold mine but I just can't comprehend why there is a lack of knowledge on the subject. Every PHD should be required to READ THE STICKIES before prescribing any form of testosterone!!! Lol

***system admin*** · 04-07-2013, 10:37 AM

Western Medicine has not been and unbelievably, STILL IS NOT teaching about hormone/ testosterone treatment. I think that is going to change in the next few years.

**thisAngelBites** · 04-07-2013, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by VTX1800

My question is WHY??? Why has TRT not been researched through and through. Obviously it's a gold mine but I just can't comprehend why there is a lack of knowledge on the subject. Every PHD should be required to READ THE STICKIES before prescribing any form of testosterone!!! Lol

Medicine is an odd, insular field. I studied molecular biology at uni, and for some electives they let me take classes in the medical school because I was interested in neurobiology and immunology. I was very surprised at how the med school classes were different than the other science classes. In the med school classes there were no points for original thinking or reasoning - it was basically read a text and be able to spit any part back at the prof when asked. Memorise the text - that was what we were doing. In the rest of science reasoning and new ideas are very exciting and you tend to be positively reinforced for this.

It's strange that there are these little pockets of medicine where there aren't good textbooks (or there were good ones which are not being produced any longer), and probably no professors at med schools teaching about these "fringe" things. Sex hormones is a big area, so are the thyroid/adrenal hormones (which are not well treated at all, even by endos) and chronic heavy metals exposure (lead, mercury) is another one. People are so desperate to feel better that they treat themselves, as has been said here you can learn more online in a few days than most docs know.

The sad thing is that even when doctors who go against the tide get good results they are still looked at as nutters by mainstream docs (because they never learned this stuff in med school - the alternative doctor has to have made it up or has no evidence), or even worse, those docs are accused of malpractice (this is common in the UK) for not following treatment guidelines (which as you know, is antidepressants in 75% of cases).

And then of course, no human hormone is patentable, so pharmaceutical companies have no interest other than creating synthetics. So that's a big reason people are not doing studies - there is no money to be made and studies are expensive.

Sorry for going on - the many ways in which medicine is failing people is a real pet peeve of mine.

**100%** · 04-07-2013, 01:57 PM

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And then of course, no human hormone is patentable, so pharmaceutical companies have no interest other than creating synthetics. So that's a big reason people are not doing studies - there is no money to be made and studies are expensive. .[/QUOTE]
Exactly!

**VTX1800** · 04-07-2013, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by 100%

Exactly!

I enjoyed reading your post! Some good points were made.

**steroid.com 1** · 04-07-2013, 05:33 PM

I know him Bc.

He's got a blog on FB but is starting up his own TRT Forum in the next few weeks.

I will send him your contact info so he can hook-up with you.

gd

**kelkel** · 04-07-2013, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by powerlifterty16

doctors dont view testosterone as important.

Bingo!

They will when they get older....

**powerlifterty16** · 04-07-2013, 07:21 PM

kel, some wont unfortunately. the same dr who told me my 277 at 19 reading was fine, was prob 65 when i went to him. My dad still sees him, and i had to tell my dad to request total t and free t otherwise the doc doesnt do it lol. My dad told me the other day that the doc told him that one of his numbers were low. i suspect that both of his numbers were low, but that only tt was out of range..and prob by a lot too. This same doc also accidentally put my dad in as a female many years ago lol...and didnt notice that my dad's t was too high based on that change in gender.

still he is better than the new primary i have LOL.

**HRTstudent** · 04-07-2013, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by thisAngelBites

Medicine is an odd, insular field. I studied molecular biology at uni, and for some electives they let me take classes in the medical school because I was interested in neurobiology and immunology. I was very surprised at how the med school classes were different than the other science classes. In the med school classes there were no points for original thinking or reasoning - it was basically read a text and be able to spit any part back at the prof when asked. Memorise the text - that was what we were doing. In the rest of science reasoning and new ideas are very exciting and you tend to be positively reinforced for this.

It's strange that there are these little pockets of medicine where there aren't good textbooks (or there were good ones which are not being produced any longer), and probably no professors at med schools teaching about these "fringe" things. Sex hormones is a big area, so are the thyroid/adrenal hormones (which are not well treated at all, even by endos) and chronic heavy metals exposure (lead, mercury) is another one. People are so desperate to feel better that they treat themselves, as has been said here you can learn more online in a few days than most docs know.

The sad thing is that even when doctors who go against the tide get good results they are still looked at as nutters by mainstream docs (because they never learned this stuff in med school - the alternative doctor has to have made it up or has no evidence), or even worse, those docs are accused of malpractice (this is common in the UK) for not following treatment guidelines (which as you know, is antidepressants in 75% of cases).

And then of course, no human hormone is patentable, so pharmaceutical companies have no interest other than creating synthetics. So that's a big reason people are not doing studies - there is no money to be made and studies are expensive.

Sorry for going on - the many ways in which medicine is failing people is a real pet peeve of mine.

Good post, I agree.

Also, my current doctor used to think the same things about these other doctors are whack-jobs and crooks... now he practices that same "quackery" because it actually improves people's level of well being. Go figure

**thisAngelBites** · 04-12-2013, 07:18 AM

I imagine there is a lot of pressure as a physician to not do anything that would cause one to be labelled one of those crazy docs who does things for which there is no evidence. It's all really unfortunate for patients now who can't get the help they need, so they go it alone, when they would be better off with help.

I started out with a doc who was willing to supervise my trying things provided I could make a good argument for them, and that was invaluable, but even these docs are few and far between.

**100%** · 06-25-2013, 12:06 PM

Hey guys just want to give a update. Its been about 2 months sense consult 12 weeks total!

**roxer** · 06-25-2013, 12:53 PM

I think physicians are overloaded as well - fewer of them (good ones anyway) and everything is done by assembly line. Get patients in and out the door as quickly as possible. I know that doesn't necessarily excuse the knowledge hole - they picked the job. Endos mainly specialize in diabetes now and the three urologists I have seen all had folks in their 70s or older in the waiting rooms.