TRT protocol suggestions

**reventon** · 07-03-2013, 09:04 AM

Whats up guys? I met the doc last week... 29 yrs old / test level is 385 (test range 348 − 1197). Received gear this week.. my doc didn't really give me a clear usage regimen to follow. Hoping for some advice from you guys.

Here's what I have:
200mg test (cyp 80% / prop 20%) once a week

HCG 5000U Vials.... 50 Units twice a week

Anastrozole 1mg tabs twice a week

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What days/times should I take each?

What do you think about splitting up the 200mg test into two shots of 100mg twice a week?

*My sleep schedules a little out of whack... Mon - Fri - up by 8am... home from work around 8-9p... sleep for an hr or two then at gym until 2a. Weekends I generally catch up by sleeping in. Most days I workout late night.

******Forgot to mention*******
One of the biggest reasons I am doing this is for gains at the gym. Original plan was to simply run a first time cycle, but I went this route. I do plan on running a cycle on top once I level out.

Thanks!

**bluskiblacdeth** · 07-03-2013, 09:17 AM

So your looking to cycle or using this for TRT? Your doc just gave this stuff to you and didnt explain anything? FIRE your doc!

for TRT purposes:
50mg of Test 2 x week (every 3.5 days)
250iu of HCG 3 x week
DO NOT take the Adex at 1mg! I wouldnt take it at all until you get BW or start to feel the effects of high E2. 1mg of Adex 2 x week will destroy your E2 at the dose I provided.

**FRDave** · 07-03-2013, 09:17 AM

I started out with 100mg of test split in two doses of 50mg administered via sub-Q on Sat morning & Tues night. HCG I inject 250iu every Mon/Wed/Fri.

With the above my test levels were a little over 1000 and my estrogen sky rocketed to 75.

I am currently injecting 80mg per week split in two doses of 40mg on Sat morning & Tue night. Still using 250iu HCG on Mon/Wed/Fri and added .5mg Arimidex 24hrs after my test injection for a total of 1mg per week. This protocal has me currently sitting with a test level of 991 and my E2 is now at 45 (still a bit high).

I suggest you start low at 100mg per week total along with 700-1000iu of HCG per week and re-test 6-10 weeks later (shorter if injecting test IM and longer if injecting test via sub-Q). At this point you can adjust and add the Arimidex if needed. Not everyone needs an AI, especially if injecting twice a week, I just so happen to be one of the un-lucky few...

Hope this helps

**FRDave** · 07-03-2013, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by bluskiblacdeth

So your looking to cycle or using this for TRT? Your doc just gave this stuff to you and didnt explain anything? FIRE your doc!

for TRT purposes:
50mg of Test 2 x week (every 3.5 days)
250iu of HCG 3 x week
DO NOT take the Adex at 1mg! I wouldnt take it at all until you get BW or start to feel the effects of high E2. 1mg of Adex 2 x week will destroy your E2 at the dose I provided.

Good call bud, you beat me to it!

**reventon** · 07-03-2013, 09:32 AM

I'm pretty set on the 200mg a week but yes am using it for TRT. Really hoping for gains from it tho. BW? So maybe 100mg every 3.5 days?

**kelkel** · 07-03-2013, 09:34 AM

Did your doc ever tell you why your T was low? The causative factor? If I were your age I'd want to know the reason and fix it, not start TRT which can come with it's own set of problems. You realize you will be shutting your endogenous production down at 29 years of age when you may not have to. I sure as hell would not want to do that. Find the reason your low: hypothyroid, cortisol, prolactin, pathologies, sleep schedule, lifestyle, whatever it may be. Do your best to fix this and then if you want to cycle so be it, at least you will know your system is healthy.

It does not sound as if you're thinking this through, quite honestly. And like the guys referenced, your protocol issued by your doc is poor at best. Think about this. The normal amount of adex used for a 500mg test cycle is .25mg adex eod. Your doc is prescribing 2mg per week. Do the math, there's a problem here. It's always best to start low and titrate up. Very few people need 200mg per week. Your doc is guessing. Another point is that there's really no need for prop mixed with your cyp for a TRT protocol.

Re-think this.

**reventon** · 07-03-2013, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Did your doc ever tell you why your T was low? The causative factor? If I were your age I'd want to know the reason and fix it, not start TRT which can come with it's own set of problems. You realize you will be shutting your endogenous production down at 29 years of age when you may not have to. I sure as hell would not want to do that. Find the reason your low: hypothyroid, cortisol, prolactin, pathologies, sleep schedule, lifestyle, whatever it may be. Do your best to fix this and then if you want to cycle so be it, at least you will know your system is healthy.

It does not sound as if you're thinking this through, quite honestly. And like the guys referenced, your protocol issued by your doc is poor at best. Think about this. The normal amount of adex used for a 500mg test cycle is .25mg adex eod. Your doc is prescribing 2mg per week. Do the math, there's a problem here. It's always best to start low and titrate up. Very few people need 200mg per week. Your doc is guessing. Another point is that there's really no need for prop mixed with your cyp for a TRT protocol.

Re-think this.

Thanks for the advice kelkel. At 18 I was diagnosed with testicular cancer and they snipped my ball off. No chemo, etc needed. Its been over 10 yrs. Per doc the cause of low test is likely having one testicle... Other than my test level my blood work is rockstar status. I'm very healthy in all other aspects... I can post blood work it if its of any use.

**100%** · 07-03-2013, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by reventon

Whats up guys? I met the doc last week... 29 yrs old / test level is 385 (test range 348 − 1197). Received gear this week.. my doc didn't really give me a clear usage regimen to follow. Hoping for some advice from you guys.

Here's what I have:
200mg test (cyp 80% / prop 20%) once a week

HCG 5000U Vials.... 50 Units twice a week

Anastrozole 1mg tabs twice a week

---------------------

What days/times should I take each?

What do you think about splitting up the 200mg test into two shots of 100mg twice a week?

*My sleep schedules a little out of whack... Mon - Fri - up by 8am... home from work around 8-9p... sleep for an hr or two then at gym until 2a. Weekends I generally catch up by sleeping in. Most days I workout late night.

******Forgot to mention*******
One of the biggest reasons I am doing this is for gains at the gym. Original plan was to simply run a first time cycle, but I went this route. I do plan on running a cycle on top once I level out.

Thanks!

It will not be fun going 3.5 with a prop blend. Trying to stabilize your hormones and adjusting dose will be a nightmare also.

**reventon** · 07-03-2013, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by 100%

It will not be fun going 3.5 with a prop blend. Trying to stabilize your hormones and adjusting dose will be a nightmare also.

What do you suggest?

**100%** · 07-03-2013, 10:35 AM

Ask him for Test c at the least and dose as posted above. Any Doctor that does not explain all your options. Explain your exact protocol why it is the best option for you and make shore you are 100% comfortable with it. Is not worth having and will F#ck you up in the long run.

**reventon** · 07-03-2013, 10:41 AM

Ok. What problems will the test cyp/prop blend cause? If he insisted on it what usage protocol would you suggest? Once a week... twice a week?

**kelkel** · 07-03-2013, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by reventon

Thanks for the advice kelkel. At 18 I was diagnosed with testicular cancer and they snipped my ball off. No chemo, etc needed. Its been over 10 yrs. Per doc the cause of low test is likely having one testicle... Other than my test level my blood work is rockstar status. I'm very healthy in all other aspects... I can post blood work it if its of any use.

Well, you sufficiently answered my question and I'm sorry to hear that occurred to you. Still do not like your protocol, at all. Start low, titrate up based on 6-week BW.

**100%** · 07-03-2013, 10:45 AM

You are dealing with different half life's and two different peaks. Trying to stabilize you level will be like herding cats. Throw hcg in the mix you will feel like a yo yo.

**reventon** · 07-03-2013, 10:51 AM

I assumed one was meant to help stabilize the other? Like maybe one is meant to extend the affects of the other?

**100%** · 07-03-2013, 11:16 AM

You want to keep it as simple as possible. This way if there is a problem or adjustment that needs to be made. It is not a wild goose chase. 99% of doctors that give injections use TEST C for a reason and if there really good they start you on a low dose. Guys get to hung up on dose if you need 200 mg to get to the very top of the range and have no sides go for it. Most people can get to the top of the range at half that dose. So to start high just not playing the odds in your favor and getting off to a bad start.

**reventon** · 07-03-2013, 01:09 PM

I called up the doc... and he assured me his dosing is on par. Few things:
He's been in anti-aging for 20+ yrs and providing TRT for almost 3
He's highly advising I use 1mg of Anastrozole twice a week
He's assured me multiple times I will not notice a difference in the 80% cyp 20% prop blend. Especially, since its continuous treatment.
The 200mg of test per week may be high/low but will be adjusted at the 60 day mark at next blood work check.

I'm concerned since you guys have are advising me otherwise. What do you think?

**tectime** · 07-03-2013, 01:32 PM

If your doc feels like you need that much anastrozole then take it. Keeping estrogen at bay is a very important part of this whole equation. I take a fairly larger dose of zole then what u read and hear about and I never suffer from estro crash. True my tes dose is higher then most I see in here, but I feel better on the higher zole dose then if I try to reduce it. Different strokes huh ! But man your doc is who is looking at your info, he's the dude with the education in this stuff, and yes I know a lot of docs are not as well versed in hormones as some of these fine minds you will find here, but most of them are pretty smart! Follow your protocol, it will lead to the right mix through time, and if you change up, tell them, that way they can evaluate properly . Oh no offense about the fine minds some of you dudes are pretty sharp about this stuff. Good to see !

**2Sox** · 07-03-2013, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by reventon

I called up the doc... and he assured me his dosing is on par. Few things:
He's been in anti-aging for 20+ yrs and providing TRT for almost 3
He's highly advising I use 1mg of Anastrozole twice a week
He's assured me multiple times I will not notice a difference in the 80% cyp 20% prop blend. Especially, since its continuous treatment.
The 200mg of test per week may be high/low but will be adjusted at the 60 day mark at next blood work check.

I'm concerned since you guys have are advising me otherwise. What do you think?

As Kel advised - I'd suggest you think this through. This doc may be practicing for many years but it doesn't mean he's practicing good medicine.

If I have a question, the first place I ask it is on this forum. But do your own homework to assure yourself. Post on other forums too. See what they say. Then take it back here and let us know what you're learning. We'll all learn from it too.

Another thing; develop a healthy respect for Adex. I've read many horror stories about higher doses than needed being used.

Stay on this forum for awhile and you'll read about lots of "experienced" docs who turn out to be horses' asses.

**kelkel** · 07-03-2013, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by reventon

I called up the doc... and he assured me his dosing is on par. Few things:
What else would you expect him to say?
He's been in anti-aging for 20+ yrs and providing TRT for almost 3
Does he have a certification. Maybe A4M? Doc's don't get this in med school.
He's highly advising I use 1mg of Anastrozole twice a week
You seriously need to base this on BW. Know your E2 level (sensitive assay) before you enbark on this.
He's assured me multiple times I will not notice a difference in the 80% cyp 20% prop blend. Especially, since its continuous treatment.
Curious if you buy this from him directly?
The 200mg of test per week may be high/low but will be adjusted at the 60 day mark at next blood work check.
Ask him what other medical protocols does he recommend starting at the high point and reducing, as opposed to the opposite? What's the rush?

I'm concerned since you guys have are advising me otherwise. What do you think?

Just some food for thought above. Great opinions by all the guys above.

**reventon** · 07-03-2013, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Just some food for thought above. Great opinions by all the guys above.

He's gone for the day now. I do not believe he has any special certifications. My E2 is 19.3 pg/mL (reference interval 7.6 − 42.6) Roche ECLIA methodology. I pay the doc monthly for the treatment, they supply me through a third party pharmacy who ships the gear. No rush, just excited to get going.

**100%** · 07-03-2013, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by reventon

Whats up guys? I met the doc last week... 29 yrs old / test level is 385 (test range 348 − 1197). Received gear this week.. my doc didn't really give me a clear usage regimen to follow. Hoping for some advice from you guys.
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Yeah listen to Your Doctor he sounds like a smart guy.

**kelkel** · 07-03-2013, 02:45 PM

Post your results on this thread if you would reventon. It will be great to see your progress and your numbers. Good luck with everything.

**rustyjames** · 07-03-2013, 03:30 PM

here's my .02,
200mg per week + HCG will more than likely put you out of range.
Don't take an AI(or any drug) for the rest of your life unless you need it(you probably will at 200mgs)
Getting your protocol dialed in can be a PITA, so try to do so as quickly as possible. 60 days will turn into 120 and so so forth. If you want gains at the gym, wait until you get dialed in then start to add other AAS or "blast". I know a few good friends who gave up on TRT after battling with this "dialing in" process.