what are your opinions on transsexuals using trt?

[krugerr]

Provably one of theee ballsiest and honest comments I have ever read on a board.

I'm active on other forums too, and they don't all relate to AAS and bodybuilding!
You should see my bad thoughts!!

[laser]

But laser, the problem is if they were born a female. Your genetic code is what defines you. Just because you "feel" like a guy doesn't mean you should be able to get testosterone so godamn easy. Yet men with real problems get pushed to the wayside and told to "man up" that's ridicolous

Yeah, I totally agree with you. Right now there is so much stuff going on it is hard to keep up with it. This is part of it, that blows my mind, all of a sudden just overnight, all the transformation stuff is taking place. Doctors advertising transformations clinics with a full team from start to finish. One thing for sure, it is being pushed, and lot of people getting on board to make a huge profit off these transformations. Plus it gets really Deep down the rabbit hole, and I will not get into that right now.

[dreadnok89]

No more power to you Kruger. Who cares right!

[krugerr]

No more power to you Kruger. Who cares right!

Exactly. Lunk likes the shemales too, don't you Lunk?

[powerlifterty16]

I have to admit, it is amazing watching those you tube videos. Women transforming into men from start to finish. Just goes to show how important/potent testosterone is........ If it makes them happy let em go for it. There are a lot of things I do not understand, we are not living in their bodies, and do not know whats going on in their heads. Everyone wants quality of life. I wonder if now that women are in full combat operations in the military if they will have access to steroids? anyone know anything about it? Being on the front combat lines, steroids would be a life saver.

what amazes me is most is not what testosterone did for them, but how they were BEFORE test. To be honest, most of the manly female to male trannies, looked like men before they even started transitioning. I actually feel that testosterone doesnt do as much as you'd think it'd do. I se a lot of vids of females taking test to transition that still appear feminine.

btw, does anyone know why bodybuilding females on supraphysiologic steroid cycles still appear feminine? Now, dont get me wrong, they are still are unattractive and look like feminine ronnie colemans with huge pecs instead of boobs, but they still look like women..whereas the trannies on trt, look more like feminine boys than girls and they are on a lower dose.
dana lynn bailey is probably ona few steroids and you cans till tell she is a woman, even if she is an unattractive one...and my guess is she is taking more steroids than the trannies.


the fact that that the trannies can take all these shots of t and still look femine shows they are females.

[Metalject]

Powerlifty, just because the law says TRT is for medical purposes only does not mean it cannot be used legitimately outside of a medical field. Implying otherwise is saying those who made the law must know best and the rest of us should just do what our Lords say.

Anabolic steroids , I should be allowed to use all I want or none at all just as I am allowed to eat all the doughnuts I want or none at all so as long as I'm not hurting anyone else with my use of gear or doughnuts. Now, if it happens to lead to health problems later on that I cannot afford to pay for on my own, then it's up to society to decide if they want to pay for it or not. I don't have a right to the health care that I now need but if you want to pay for it that's up to you.

Arguments like this are in my opinion so simple but the way they're construed into this mountain of disagreement and conflict realy makes my butt hole burn.

[truckie4life]

If a woman is going to be allowed to use anabolic steroids for the purpose of looking like a man, a man should have the right to use anabolic steroids for the purpose of enhancing performance. Any law that says those who desire to live a transgendered lifestyle have a right to use these hormones for a non-medical purpose but doesn't support the right for men to use them outside a medical purpose is a law that deserves no respect IMO.

I think it's also important to state that my argument isn't based on a transgendered lifestyle being right or wrong. The argument is far simpler than that. The law states these people are allowed to use these hormones because denying them the right to use them denies them to live their life in the way they desire. Is denying a man who wants to use the same hormones so he looks and feels a little better any different? No, it's not.

I totally agree with this.

[drake4243]

Why would or should anyone care? Why not live your own life the best you can and let others live there’s as they wish. I support everyone. Hate is for the cowards in life.

[kelkel]

First time in this thread. I thought for sure there'd be some humor.

Still waiting.....

Where's Hoggage?

[laser]

I was searching gender transformation conspiracy.....it came back with all kinds of stuff, but two sites was kinda interesting, sexchangeregret.
oh, and another one was the agenda behind gender bending at henrymakow.

[krugerr]

First time in this thread. I thought for sure there'd be some humor.

Still waiting.....

Where's Hoggage?

I don't have any humour, I have some lovely images though. I wanted to share some nudy pics but didn't want to break any rules

[knuckles69]

Transgender people feel and see themselves as the opposite sex, you can't blame a mental instability for homosexuality can you. No of course you can't, people are just born like that. Why deny someone with a transgender mentality to live their life as a normal person? Us as bodybuilders and performance enhancers use these compounds to give us more than what god gave us and our natural deposition, that's what separates us. I think it's incredibly prejudice to say someone can't live a normal life no matter what their sexual orientation or gender orientation.

[krugerr]

Well said Knuckles. I'm very liberal when it comes to this general topic, if people are happy, and it doesn't effect me. What's the problem. Gay, straight, bi, and every combination, as long as it isn't breaking any laws, who gives a damn.

On the topic, OP, I believe that transgendered people are just as entitled if not more so. You can't get an erection and feel emotional? That's bad, but imagine feeling like you were born the wrong sex entirely.

[powerlifterty16]

transgenders are mentally sick. They dont have a physical issue they have a mental disorder. Transgenders will never live a normal lie, and most report feeling worse after having reproductive surgery. I, and majority of people will never consider transgenders to be the other gender.

[powerlifterty16]

Transgender people feel and see themselves as the opposite sex, you can't blame a mental instability for homosexuality can you. No of course you can't, people are just born like that. Why deny someone with a transgender mentality to live their life as a normal person? Us as bodybuilders and performance enhancers use these compounds to give us more than what god gave us and our natural deposition, that's what separates us. I think it's incredibly prejudice to say someone can't live a normal life no matter what their sexual orientation or gender orientation.

i dont support anabolic steroid usage in bodybuilders either.

[krugerr]

transgenders are mentally sick. They dont have a physical issue they have a mental disorder. Transgenders will never live a normal lie, and most report feeling worse after having reproductive surgery. I, and majority of people will never consider transgenders to be the other gender.

I imagine though that the depressive suicidal states they can get in by feeling as if they're born in the wrong body, coupled with the fact that they either live unhappy, or they have the sexual corrective surgery, and are then victimised by the rest of society. I personally think that would be awful, and I'm quite thankful that I'm 'normal' in the eyes of society.

[powerlifterty16]

I imagine though that the depressive suicidal states they can get in by feeling as if they're born in the wrong body, coupled with the fact that they either live unhappy, or they have the sexual corrective surgery, and are then victimised by the rest of society. I personally think that would be awful, and I'm quite thankful that I'm 'normal' in the eyes of society.

yeah i dont envy them

[knuckles69]

transgenders are mentally sick. They dont have a physical issue they have a mental disorder. Transgenders will never live a normal lie, and most report feeling worse after having reproductive surgery. I, and majority of people will never consider transgenders to be the other gender.

Well you just proved your narrow and childish mind. Imagine if everyone was the same? How boring would that be? Anyhoo im done with this, it's going nowhere but hatred

[krugerr]

Well you just proved your narrow and childish mind. Imagine if everyone was the same? How boring would that be? Anyhoo im done with this, it's going nowhere but hatred

No hated, should I post more pictures? I think if I start posting Thai ladyboys we'll really get this thread going... Where's LovByts??

[laser]

Well said Knuckles. I'm very liberal when it comes to this general topic, if people are happy, and it doesn't effect me. What's the problem. Gay, straight, bi, and every combination, as long as it isn't breaking any laws, who gives a damn.

On the topic, OP, I believe that transgendered people are just as entitled if not more so. You can't get an erection and feel emotional? That's bad, but imagine feeling like you were born the wrong sex entirely.

OH YEAH BRO, but you really have to take a step back, and ask yourself a question? Did the LGBT movement break ground and leading FTM & MTF, SAS pre & post ops, and Single Gender to Tri-Gender (STT) Charateristics, or Are they being led to believe this? Now this is the real question?

[krugerr]

OH YEAH BRO, but you really have to take a step back, and ask yourself a question? Did the LGBT movement break ground and leading FTM & MTF, SAS pre & post ops, and Single Gender to Tri-Gender (STT) Charateristics, or Are they being led to believe this? Now this is the real question?

I don't think you could make someone believe this truly. Most of the people in this situation are aware of their feelings from a very young age, it's only in adolescence that they can understand and express it coherently. I think it's just becoming more accepted. 50 years ago your dad would just give you a beating of you wanted to dress as a girl, the times they are a changing.

[FRDave]

No hated, should I post more pictures? I think if I start posting Thai ladyboys we'll really get this thread going... Where's LovByts??

My girl loves transgender porn but OP is talking about female to make transformation, not male to female :-p

[krugerr]

My girl loves transgender porn but OP is talking about female to make transformation, not male to female :-p

Buck angel

I prefer the MTF type personally! Lol

[FRDave]

Buck angel

I prefer the MTF type personally! Lol

There are definitely some hot MTF's, but some are just butch looking. I remember a while back one was disqualified from a mis Universe pageant once they found out she was transgender, so bomb.

[tectime]

Wtf! Those are still dudes and man none of them are hot ! For real Way of topic and kinda sick!

[FRDave]

Wtf! Those are still dudes and man none of them are hot ! For real Way of topic and kinda sick!

That man above in the pic is hotter than 99% of females. You don't have to agree with their life style or like tranny's, but to say she is not hot is just silly. She was a top contestant for mis universe, that alone says something lol.

[krugerr]

She's hot Dave!


So this isn't your thing then Tectime!
Without being rude, I've typically found that the older generation (35+) aren't as accepting of it, whereas people in their 20's seem to be the leading group for accepting this, and many other gender/sexual preferences. Maybe the changes started when people's exposure to gay/lesbian started to increase. For as far back as I can remember gay guys have been on tv and its almost fashionable for girls to be lesbian/bi, whereas I guess when you were growing up it was something that was kept very private and unacceptable.

(Not a dig TecTime, just observing how our ages give us different views on this)

[tectime]

I don't have a problem with the different lifestyles people choose to live. i may not care for their decisions but i care deeply for their right to make them! Although your probly right about people over the age of 35 being much less receptive. Not my cup of tea but hearing one dude call another dude hot, really ! but still there is nothing hot about any of those dudes they are males and no amount of makeup or pretty dresses or duct tape is going change that.
Oh and no dig taken about age
I love to tell people how old I am !

[Allaaro]

hmmm want to take it a step further??

What about the medical costs that historically these people take?? what about the publicly funded medical care that smokers and drug users get?? should people that make poor choices be refused medical care based on the decisions they make causing harm to their own bodies??

what about people with adult onset diabetes ???

And what government agency/panel gets to make those decisions based on what values that they have??

I agree with you on all points....yet I wasn't speaking about that side of things because I think I'd go on a rampage lol. Considering obesity is now a disease.....

But looking at it from a non-medical costs side, if anyone gets their test and pays for it themselves from pharm or UGL....then they can do what they want. But someone with experience should be guiding them.

[powerlifterty16]

Wtf! Those are still dudes and man none of them are hot ! For real Way of topic and kinda sick!

someone who gets it

[powerlifterty16]

That man above in the pic is hotter than 99% of females. You don't have to agree with their life style or like tranny's, but to say she is not hot is just silly. She was a top contestant for mis universe, that alone says something lol.

i would never say SHE is nt hot.

HE is not hot though.

[Beethoven]

Wow! This is part of my peeve when it comes to AAS. First off, whatever one wants to do with their lives is their problem. I personally don't care for that but then it's not MY life. But I too was researching on you tube a while back on how to self inject and was amazed at how many of these people are transgender. Apparently test gets easily supplied to them yet I have to literally jump through hoops and do dodgy tricks. However their use is considered acceptable and maybe even covered by insurance. Those of us who really need it have a hard time getting it and are considered roid heads. Meanwhile some baseball players are using it and now you can't listen to the radio or sports tv without it being demonized as cheating or what have you. Yet no one is out there advocating for US. ( those of us on trt ) we are just supposed to accept it as a natural aging process, and THAT'S my problem with that.

[powerlifterty16]

im 23

She's hot Dave!


So this isn't your thing then Tectime!
Without being rude, I've typically found that the older generation (35+) aren't as accepting of it, whereas people in their 20's seem to be the leading group for accepting this, and many other gender/sexual preferences. Maybe the changes started when people's exposure to gay/lesbian started to increase. For as far back as I can remember gay guys have been on tv and its almost fashionable for girls to be lesbian/bi, whereas I guess when you were growing up it was something that was kept very private and unacceptable.

(Not a dig TecTime, just observing how our ages give us different views on this)

[Times Roman]

in this case, they dont have any testicles so there is no normal in this case, unless we think of other biological females. Some females require trt at low doses for health, and that i'd support, but i cant justify giving them steroids to become manly.

a transexual is a person that gender identifies with the opposite sex. In my opinion, this means "pre-op"

a "post operative" transexual has had gender reassignment surgery - "post op"

this is how I define it. So based on that, I inferred that there was no surgery and "things" were still normal.

[imom]

I've always thought of transgenders as a man's brain in a female body or vice versa. It's easier to change the rest of the body than to change the male identity into a female one, or vice versa.

If it's not hurting anyone else and it makes them happy, then I don't have a problem with it.

Bizarre thread.

[krugerr]

I've always thought of transgenders as a man's brain in a female body or vice versa. It's easier to change the rest of the body than to change the male identity into a female one, or vice versa.

If it's not hurting anyone else and it makes them happy, then I don't have a problem with it.

Bizarre thread.

Yea, well described there. That's all it really is, the brain thinks its one way, and the body is the other. The thread really derailed fast, I'm partly to blame for that I suppose. Sorry OP.

[sparverius]

There's three variables- the sex you are physically, the sex you feel you ought to be, and the sex you're attracted to.

For most people those all line up the typical way. But for some people they don't. Medicine does not know why. Most common is being attracted to the same sex instead of the opposite sex. But sometimes people feel they are in a body of the wrong sex. I even know someone who was in a male body but felt female. After making the physical change she was still attracted to women. Now she's a lesbian.

Then there are hermaphrodites- people born with some combination of male and female sex organs. I know a couple of them. One around my age had parents determined to make him "male" and was still "male" in his 30s. He was clearly uncomfortable as a male. She eventually decided to be female and was a lot happier.


I personally don't give a shit what sex someone else is attracted to or identifies as. It's their business the same way my sex life is my business.

Female to male transsexuals getting TRT doesn't keep us biological males with hormone issues from getting the TRT we need. It's not like there is a fixed amount of Test. Cyp in the world. It's an easy drug to make.

[powerlifterty16]

There's three variables- the sex you are physically, the sex you feel you ought to be, and the sex you're attracted to.

For most people those all line up the typical way. But for some people they don't. Medicine does not know why. Most common is being attracted to the same sex instead of the opposite sex. But sometimes people feel they are in a body of the wrong sex. I even know someone who was in a male body but felt female. After making the physical change she was still attracted to women. Now she's a lesbian.

Then there are hermaphrodites- people born with some combination of male and female sex organs. I know a couple of them. One around my age had parents determined to make him "male" and was still "male" in his 30s. He was clearly uncomfortable as a male. She eventually decided to be female and was a lot happier.


I personally don't give a shit what sex someone else is attracted to or identifies as. It's their business the same way my sex life is my business.

Female to male transsexuals getting TRT doesn't keep us biological males with hormone issues from getting the TRT we need. It's not like there is a fixed amount of Test. Cyp in the world. It's an easy drug to make.

the person you know is not a lesbian but a man on estrogen..but he's still straight so that's one less thing for him to feel different about.