Above 1000 trt levels year round anyone?

[Buddyguy]

Just curious to see how many people here are around or above the 1000 mark year round??

[GSXRvi6]

My RBC was getting too high in the 850 range, I had to back it down or I would have been in trouble eventually. 700 - 750 seams to be about perfect for me.

[Buddyguy]

My RBC was getting too high in the 850 range, I had to back it down or I would have been in trouble eventually. 700 - 750 seams to be about perfect for me.

Cool, did you consider donating blood instead?

[Vettester]

IMO, there's just too many sides and issues that will prevent optimal well being when keeping serum levels elevated about 1000ng.

Now, to explore it further, before really looking at that, one should really know where their SHBG is sitting, which in turn is the key variable attributed to free testosterone . 1,000ng/dl is going to be different for everyone, and if SHBG is low, then the probability for negative sides and imbalances in other areas like DHT & E2 are going to be greatly increased.

[powerlifterty16]

i think 700-900 is ideal.

[Low Testosterone]

Every man is different. What Vettester mentioned is true.

In the end, if you're having symptoms, Free testosterone is what matters. A prime example, a new client came to us recently with a Total Testosterone ready of 800ng/dl yet he had every symptom in the book. Why? His free levels were 2. If you have Free Testosterone levels in the 20-30 range, in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter where your total levels are.

[bass]

I average around 800, but free T is way too high at this level, I am on 120mgs ew and may cut back to 100mgs ew. check out my new BW I just posted.

[powerlifterty16]

Every man is different. What Vettester mentioned is true.

In the end, if you're having symptoms, Free testosterone is what matters. A prime example, a new client came to us recently with a Total Testosterone ready of 800ng/dl yet he had every symptom in the book. Why? His free levels were 2. If you have Free Testosterone levels in the 20-30 range, in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter where your total levels are.

i thought you guys dont treat over 600

[Buddyguy]

Every man is different. What Vettester mentioned is true.

In the end, if you're having symptoms, Free testosterone is what matters. A prime example, a new client came to us recently with a Total Testosterone ready of 800ng/dl yet he had every symptom in the book. Why? His free levels were 2. If you have Free Testosterone levels in the 20-30 range, in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter where your total levels are.

Hmm interesting was he at 800 naturally or already on trt?

[Low Testosterone]

i thought you guys dont treat over 600

There are other things to consider other than Total Testosterone . Total is meaningless if Free Testosterone is low.

If an individual qualifies for treatment, they go to the doctor for their face to face visit and the doctor makes the final call.

Where did you come up with the 600 number? We don't have specific numbers posted anywhere in regards to TRT.

[Low Testosterone]

Hmm interesting was he at 800 naturally or already on trt?

Many of our clients are those transferring from another program, but this guy was not one of them. You're not going to have an 800 Total and a Free level of 2 if you're on TRT.

[powerlifterty16]

There are other things to consider other than Total Testosterone . Total is meaningless if Free Testosterone is low.

If an individual qualifies for treatment, they go to the doctor for their face to face visit and the doctor makes the final call.

Where did you come up with the 600 number? We don't have specific numbers posted anywhere in regards to TRT.

I had thought someone from low t had posted that 600 was the cutoff. You guys treat all ages right? Im assuming 18 and over?

[Buddyguy]

They'd probably have to wait till the endocrine systems fully developed no?

[Low Testosterone]

I had thought someone from low t had posted that 600 was the cutoff. You guys treat all ages right? Im assuming 18 and over?

Under 30 will require that the individual admits to prior anabolic steroid use and a desire to be done with that. If no prior steroid use, there would need to be documented medical proof of a physical condition that could have lead to low levels. If no proof is available, the doctor will also take into account opiate abuse and anti-depressant use. However, in many young guy cases, if there is no reason for the man to have low levels, the doctor will require a MRI on the individual's pituitary. If that has already been done and you have records to show its been done, that is taken into consideration.

All of these things such as drug abuse, injury and illness should always be made aware of if you're going to get the care you need, but under 30 there is a lot more scrutiny.

[LowT Mike]

We use the "Harvard Protocol" Less than 350ng/dl TT and/or a Free T less than 15pg/ml. Because of SHBG total T is not the ideal number to evaluate for andropause . Many men have TT as high as 900. However if there SHBG is north of 60nmol/dl then there free T is in the dirt and these men need treatment. Men generally have strong symptoms of andropause at 15pg/ml and lower. Free T is bar none the most important number to look at.

[powerlifterty16]

Under 30 will require that the individual admits to prior anabolic steroid use and a desire to be done with that. If no prior steroid use, there would need to be documented medical proof of a physical condition that could have lead to low levels. If no proof is available, the doctor will also take into account opiate abuse and anti-depressant use. However, in many young guy cases, if there is no reason for the man to have low levels, the doctor will require a MRI on the individual's pituitary. If that has already been done and you have records to show its been done, that is taken into consideration.

All of these things such as drug abuse, injury and illness should always be made aware of if you're going to get the care you need, but under 30 there is a lot more scrutiny.

what? i would get punished for being under 30 and never taking steroids ? if i have blood work showing below normal range t levelswould that be all i need? at 19 my t was 277, 23 it was 339, and last tt was 256...no other cause was found besides being low t.ive also had about 10 mris of the pit.

[powerlifterty16]

They'd probably have to wait till the endocrine systems fully developed no?

a lot of young guys have low t and never develop normal t levels. my t has always been low..never was high..hypogonadism doesnt discriminate.

[Low Testosterone]

what? i would get punished for being under 30 and never taking steroids? if i have blood work showing below normal range t levelswould that be all i need? at 19 my t was 277, 23 it was 339, and last tt was 256...no other cause was found besides being low t.ive also had about 10 mris of the pit.

It's not being punished. The doctor has to have a reason to prescribe someone testosterone and when younger than 30, having low levels for the same reason as a man over the age of 30 is not the norm. Many doctors will require a lot from a guy under 30 because when they are reviewed they won't to be able to show they weren't prescribing testosterone for performance purposes. No sane doctor is going to risk jail just because you have low t. There are expected rules to follow, granted some are over the top but they still have to be followed.

[LowT Mike]

I agree with you Powerlifterty16. However, in the eyes of the DEA and FDA our business model for TRT is only approved for age related andropause . UNLESS the client can get to the root of the causation of their LOWT with a pathology and diagnoses. I see you on here always bashing doctors and endos...and Im with you on most cases. However, you need to understand that their medical license is on the line as this speciality is scrutinized harder than any other speciality and doctors do jail sentances and lose their medical license if they get to free with their Rx pad. Most guys in their 20s can make just a few lifestyle changes and regain their T levels. Those who cannot truely recover their T levels need to develop a strong case of why that is then come to us. We have to protect our doctors and pharmacies.

[kelkel]

a lot of young guys have low t and never develop normal t levels. my t has always been low..never was high..hypogonadism doesnt discriminate.

Like that line. Stealing it.....

[powerlifterty16]

Like that line. Stealing it.....

dont make me call the cops on you
i actually read something similar from chip on ...... so it's only a tweaked version of what he said.

[Buddyguy]

I agree with you Powerlifterty16. However, in the eyes of the DEA and FDA our business model for TRT is only approved for age related andropause. UNLESS the client can get to the root of the causation of their LOWT with a pathology and diagnoses. I see you on here always bashing doctors and endos...and Im with you on most cases. However, you need to understand that their medical license is on the line as this speciality is scrutinized harder than any other speciality and doctors do jail sentances and lose their medical license if they get to free with their Rx pad. Most guys in their 20s can make just a few lifestyle changes and regain their T levels. Those who cannot truely recover their T levels need to develop a strong case of why that is then come to us. We have to protect our doctors and pharmacies.

Lifestyle changes..lol, if you're a normal dude who doesn't mess with drugs and alcohol. Sleeps and eat alright. The changes will be negligible

[Low Testosterone]

Lifestyle changes..lol, if you're a normal dude who doesn't mess with drugs and alcohol. Sleeps and eat alright. The changes will be negligible

Most normal men do not do any of these things. Not in the U.S.

[powerlifterty16]

Lifestyle changes..lol, if you're a normal dude who doesn't mess with drugs and alcohol. Sleeps and eat alright. The changes will be negligible

yeah even if you eat a shitty diet, i doubt it really hurts test production. testosterone needs fat and cholesterol to be produced. I do think drugs and alcohol do hurt test though, but diet...besides all the chimicals in the food which are hard to avoid, not so much.

[Buddyguy]

Most normal men do not do any of these things. Not in the U.S.

Yea I guess you've got a point..I'm from Canada but whenever I cross the border there sure are a lot of fat fu**s who don't know how to take decent care of themselves. Extremely sad

[powerlifterty16]

I agree with you Powerlifterty16. However, in the eyes of the DEA and FDA our business model for TRT is only approved for age related andropause. UNLESS the client can get to the root of the causation of their LOWT with a pathology and diagnoses. I see you on here always bashing doctors and endos...and Im with you on most cases. However, you need to understand that their medical license is on the line as this speciality is scrutinized harder than any other speciality and doctors do jail sentances and lose their medical license if they get to free with their Rx pad. Most guys in their 20s can make just a few lifestyle changes and regain their T levels. Those who cannot truely recover their T levels need to develop a strong case of why that is then come to us. We have to protect our doctors and pharmacies.

so does that mean that i wouldnt eve n be eligible for treatment with you guys? I mean i have a long history of bloodwork, and low t...no past drug use, and no known cause except maybe genetics. Im not ready to call you guys, as im still hoping a doc in insurance will help, but if i need you guys, do i have a shot at treatment considering i have several low t labs, clear pit mris, and nothing else out of the norm except some slightly high cortisols?
not to mention i tried hcg and my levels are lower than before.

[Ryanmcd]

so does that mean that i wouldnt eve n be eligible for treatment with you guys? I mean i have a long history of bloodwork, and low t...no past drug use, and no known cause except maybe genetics. Im not ready to call you guys, as im still hoping a doc in insurance will help, but if i need you guys, do i have a shot at treatment considering i have several low t labs, clear pit mris, and nothing else out of the norm except some slightly high cortisols?
not to mention i tried hcg and my levels are lower than before.

All I have to say is LOL, you should play doctor on TV because you sure are one on the internet. Why do you do what is needed to get treated? What if it IS something that you did not learn in medical school that a doctor may know? Why do you LISTEN for 1 time instead of going straight to shots? Anyway this is going to be the last post to you because I see your just OCD and go nuts over and over like a 5 year old and get nowhere because you cant listen or control your emotions and everyone is a dumbass but you.

[GSXRvi6]

Cool, did you consider donating blood instead?

No, didn't know I could do that back then, and at the time all I cared about was getting my low T issue's fixed. I dunno about other guys but Low-T is a living hell.

[Buddyguy]

All I have to say is LOL, you should play doctor on TV because you sure are one on the internet. Why do you do what is needed to get treated? What if it IS something that you did not learn in medical school that a doctor may know? Why do you LISTEN for 1 time instead of going straight to shots? Anyway this is going to be the last post to you because I see your just OCD and go nuts over and over like a 5 year old and get nowhere because you cant listen or control your emotions and everyone is a dumbass but you.

Must be his time of the month! Got enough tampons bro? Or should my girlfriend FedEx u the remaining packs she's been saving for you LMAO

[powerlifterty16]

Must be his time of the month! Got enough tampons bro? Or should my girlfriend FedEx u the remaining packs she's been saving for you LMAO

go back to making stupid threads about guys not producing t in the future and spelling the word ''your'' wrong

[Buddyguy]

Whatever man..seemed like he was bashing on you

[powerlifterty16]

Whatever man..seemed like he was bashing on you

he was..but why did u need to also?

[Buddyguy]

Pisses me off when people bash on others when they aren't really saying anything wrong

[Buddyguy]

But this is ridiculous everyone..

[2Sox]

All I have to say is LOL, you should play doctor on TV because you sure are one on the internet. Why do you do what is needed to get treated? What if it IS something that you did not learn in medical school that a doctor may know? Why do you LISTEN for 1 time instead of going straight to shots? Anyway this is going to be the last post to you because I see your just OCD and go nuts over and over like a 5 year old and get nowhere because you cant listen or control your emotions and everyone is a dumbass but you.

Ryan,
How can you possibly think that this post is useful to anyone at all? This is not at all clever. It's clear to everyone that what you write is mean spirited and unkind - and completely unnecessary. If you have a criticism, you could p.m. someone or just keep quiet.

Next time you write maybe it would be good to think if you want to have a good effect on someone or a bad effect. No one respects posts like this.

[2Sox]

go back to making stupid threads about guys not producing t in the future and spelling the word ''your'' wrong

Power,
You had Buddy wrong. Go back and read and you'll see he had your back - not in the best way - but he was trying.

[powerlifterty16]

Power,
You had Buddy wrong. Go back and read and you'll see he had your back - not in the best way - but he was trying.

i guess i did 2sox. sorry buddy, i thought you were bashing me not ryan!
thankx sox

[LowT Mike]

powerlifty16...getting back to the subject under question. You say that you have serious doubt that a man can boost his T with lifestyle changes. NOT TRUE AT ALL. Actually more with our food choices than anything else!! Our diet plays a huge role in our testosterone production. Our glands need certain minerals — like zinc and magnesium — to get testosterone production started and our Leydig cells need cholesterol to make testosterone. Some foods — like broccoli, cauliflower, and cabbage — can help boost T levels by removing estrogens in our body that lower our T.

How do you think it is that we are exposed to petrochemicals, high estrogens, ect??...Food my friend.

If you are in your 20s and want to go on TRT try this first.
please read...you just might learn something.

How to Increase Testosterone Naturally | The Art of Manliness

[powerlifterty16]

powerlifty16...getting back to the subject under question. You say that you have serious doubt that a man can boost his T with lifestyle changes. NOT TRUE AT ALL. Actually more with our food choices than anything else!! Our diet plays a huge role in our testosterone production. Our glands need certain minerals — like zinc and magnesium — to get testosterone production started and our Leydig cells need cholesterol to make testosterone. Some foods — like broccoli, cauliflower, and cabbage — can help boost T levels by removing estrogens in our body that lower our T.

How do you think it is that we are exposed to petrochemicals, high estrogens, ect??...Food my friend.

If you are in your 20s and want to go on TRT try this first.
please read...you just might learn something.

How to Increase Testosterone Naturally | The Art of Manliness

mike, ive skimmed the article before..ill read it in full later today. I agree diet can have an impact, but from my understanding a high fat and cholesgterol diet is GOOD for t production...am i wrong? I think phytoestrogens, gmos, ammonias, hfcs, and all the other shit in foods decrease t levels...but i dont think fat or cholesterol does. For a guy like me, who has never drunk alcohol, or done drugs including cigs, works out for nearly a decade, and tries to avoid gmos(not always but i try to buy brands that are non gmo)...i really dont know what kind of impact diet would have.

[VTX1800]

My doc is extremely happy keeping me above 1000. Last BW was 1048. I'm on 200mg per week. Have more BW to be done in October. I'm on top of the world!!!