Bass's BW as of 8/7/2013, based on two spot injection (TSI)

[bass]

TSI Protocol,

• 60mgs split into two spots 30mgs each spot, twice a week, total of 120mgs ew, SQ
• 500iu hCG (my hCG maybe under dosed), but will be switching to pharma grade soon.
• No AI's

Cholesterol, Total 215 HIGH 100-199 mg/dL SO, higher than last BW but probably due to not fasting properly.
Triglycerides 104 0-149 mg/dL SO
HDL Cholesterol 53 >39 mg/dL SO
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 21 5-40 mg/dL SO
LDL Cholesterol Calc 141 HIGH 0-99 mg/dL SO

TSH 2.170 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL SO
Thyroxine (T4) 7.5 4.5-12.0 ug/dL SO
T3 Uptake 36 24-39 % SO
Free Thyroxine Index 2.7 1.2-4.9 SO

Testosterone , Serum 828 348-1197 ng/dL SO
Testosterone,Free 38.92 HIGH 5.00-21.00 ng/dL BN
% Free Testosterone 4.70 HIGH 1.50-4.20 % BN

Prostate Specific Ag, Serum 0.9 0.0-4.0 ng/mL SO. no abstaining and keep getting lower, ARR Cia probably helped!

Insulin -Like Growth Factor I 203 HIGH 56-201 ng/mL BN

Estradiol, Sensitive 13 3-70 pg/mL BN, (No AI), too low and this is with no AI, last time was about 43 and was new to injecting in two spots, not sure if two spot injection had anything to do with it!

Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 22.6 19.3-76.4 nmol/L, no change

all other BW is perfectly in range!

[powerlifterty16]

TSI Protocol,

• 60mgs split into two spots 30mgs each spot, twice a week, total of 120mgs ew, SQ
• 500iu hCG (my hCG maybe under dosed), but will be switching to pharma grade soon.
• No AI's

Cholesterol, Total 215 HIGH 100-199 mg/dL SO, higher than last BW but probably due to not fasting properly.
Triglycerides 104 0-149 mg/dL SO
HDL Cholesterol 53 >39 mg/dL SO
VLDL Cholesterol Cal 21 5-40 mg/dL SO
LDL Cholesterol Calc 141 HIGH 0-99 mg/dL SO

TSH 2.170 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL SO
Thyroxine (T4) 7.5 4.5-12.0 ug/dL SO
T3 Uptake 36 24-39 % SO
Free Thyroxine Index 2.7 1.2-4.9 SO

Testosterone , Serum 828 348-1197 ng/dL SO
Testosterone,Free 38.92 HIGH 5.00-21.00 ng/dL BN
% Free Testosterone 4.70 HIGH 1.50-4.20 % BN

Prostate Specific Ag, Serum 0.9 0.0-4.0 ng/mL SO. no abstaining and keep getting lower, ARR Cia probably helped!

Insulin -Like Growth Factor I 203 HIGH 56-201 ng/mL BN

Estradiol, Sensitive 13 3-70 pg/mL BN, (No AI), too low and this is with no AI, last time was about 43 and was new to injecting in two spots, not sure if two spot injection had anything to do with it!

Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 22.6 19.3-76.4 nmol/L, no change

all other BW is perfectly in range!

how much was your cholesterol before? how long did u fast? not fasting also could mess up your free t result.
the cholesterol thing scares me...i hear some people sayy trt helps it, some say it hurts it, some say no change...makes me terrified to go on...anyway solid numbers, if you dont feel symptoms of low e2 i wouldnt worry...and is the trt raising your gh?

[bass]

my cholesterols pre TRT was around 280, HDL at about 39-40, LDL been the same my trig. the same. not worried about cholesterol, the ration is good and that's all I care about. the only reason I posted it because I am taking Cialis and wanted others to see that's Cialis had no effect on it, but it did lower my BP!

[chickenstirfry]

Bass are you concerned about your e2 reading and will you do anything to try to raise it?! I guess pharm hCG may bump up your e2 a little if it is stronger than what you are currently using.

[bass]

Bass are you concerned about your e2 reading and will you do anything to try to raise it?! I guess pharm hCG may bump up your e2 a little if it is stronger than what you are currently using.

thats what I am hoping for. and yes I really don't like how I feel when e2 is this low, I like it around 25-30. I may add some flax seeds and soy to my diet if needed,

[austinite]

Bass, my healthy friend. Thanks for posting. Here is some food for thought...

Cholesterol-lowering effects of a proprietary Chinese red-yeast-rice dietary supplement.

BACKGROUND:
We examined the cholesterol-lowering effects of a proprietary Chinese red-yeast-rice supplement in an American population consuming a diet similar to the American Heart Association Step I diet using a double-blind, placebo-controlled, prospectively randomized 12-wk controlled trial at a university research center.

OBJECTIVE:
We evaluated the lipid-lowering effects of this red-yeast-rice dietary supplement in US adults separate from effects of diet alone.

DESIGN:
Eighty-three healthy subjects (46 men and 37 women aged 34-78 y) with hyperlipidemia [total cholesterol, 5.28-8.74 mmol/L (204-338 mg/dL); LDL cholesterol, 3.31-7.16 mmol/L (128-277 mg/dL); triacylglycerol, 0.62-2.78 mmol/L (55-246 mg/dL); and HDL cholesterol 0.78-2.46 mmol/L (30-95 mg/dL)] who were not being treated with lipid-lowering drugs participated. Subjects were treated with red yeast rice (2.4 g/d) or placebo and instructed to consume a diet providing 30% of energy from fat, <10% from saturated fat, and <300 mg cholesterol daily. Main outcome measures were total cholesterol, total triacylglycerol, and HDL and LDL cholesterol measured at weeks 8, 9, 11, and 12.

RESULTS:
Total cholesterol concentrations decreased significantly between baseline and 8 wk in the red-yeast-rice-treated group compared with the placebo-treated group [(x+/-SD) 6.57+/-0.93 mmol/L (254+/-36 mg/dL) to 5.38+/-0.80 mmol/L (208+/-31 mg/dL); P < 0.001]. LDL cholesterol and total triacylglycerol were also reduced with the supplement. HDL cholesterol did not change significantly.

CONCLUSIONS:
Red yeast rice significantly reduces total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, and total triacylglycerol concentrations compared with placebo and provides a new, novel, food-based approach to lowering cholesterol in the general population.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9989685

[powerlifterty16]

what was your cholesterol last bw? maybe cialis raised it?

[vmons01]

I got my E2 up from 8 to 41 with a 1-week bump by 50% in my Test AND HCG dosage, plus some soy and flax seeds. That's after going off AI for a month or so. The bump in dosages got mine up really quick.

Bass, I asked you about this before, but I REALLY don't think the pulling the needle out of one spot and sticking it in another is sterile and recommended. Why not load 2 syringes? They're cheap man.

[powerlifterty16]

Bass, my healthy friend. Thanks for posting. Here is some food for thought...

Cholesterol-lowering effects of a proprietary Chinese red-yeast-rice dietary supplement.

BACKGROUND:
We examined the cholesterol-lowering effects of a proprietary Chinese red-yeast-rice supplement in an American population consuming a diet similar to the American Heart Association Step I diet using a double-blind, placebo-controlled, prospectively randomized 12-wk controlled trial at a university research center.

OBJECTIVE:
We evaluated the lipid-lowering effects of this red-yeast-rice dietary supplement in US adults separate from effects of diet alone.

DESIGN:
Eighty-three healthy subjects (46 men and 37 women aged 34-78 y) with hyperlipidemia [total cholesterol, 5.28-8.74 mmol/L (204-338 mg/dL); LDL cholesterol, 3.31-7.16 mmol/L (128-277 mg/dL); triacylglycerol, 0.62-2.78 mmol/L (55-246 mg/dL); and HDL cholesterol 0.78-2.46 mmol/L (30-95 mg/dL)] who were not being treated with lipid-lowering drugs participated. Subjects were treated with red yeast rice (2.4 g/d) or placebo and instructed to consume a diet providing 30% of energy from fat, <10% from saturated fat, and <300 mg cholesterol daily. Main outcome measures were total cholesterol, total triacylglycerol, and HDL and LDL cholesterol measured at weeks 8, 9, 11, and 12.

RESULTS:
Total cholesterol concentrations decreased significantly between baseline and 8 wk in the red-yeast-rice-treated group compared with the placebo-treated group [(x+/-SD) 6.57+/-0.93 mmol/L (254+/-36 mg/dL) to 5.38+/-0.80 mmol/L (208+/-31 mg/dL); P < 0.001]. LDL cholesterol and total triacylglycerol were also reduced with the supplement. HDL cholesterol did not change significantly.

CONCLUSIONS:
Red yeast rice significantly reduces total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, and total triacylglycerol concentrations compared with placebo and provides a new, novel, food-based approach to lowering cholesterol in the general population.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9989685

have plant sterols been studied?

[austinite]

Yes, but I don't have experience to make an assessment. Red yeast rice certainly has helped me and I'm hoping it will soon be an alternative to my expensive Crestor prescription.

[bass]

Bass, my healthy friend. Thanks for posting. Here is some food for thought...

Cholesterol-lowering effects of a proprietary Chinese red-yeast-rice dietary supplement.

BACKGROUND:
We examined the cholesterol-lowering effects of a proprietary Chinese red-yeast-rice supplement in an American population consuming a diet similar to the American Heart Association Step I diet using a double-blind, placebo-controlled, prospectively randomized 12-wk controlled trial at a university research center.

OBJECTIVE:
We evaluated the lipid-lowering effects of this red-yeast-rice dietary supplement in US adults separate from effects of diet alone.

DESIGN:
Eighty-three healthy subjects (46 men and 37 women aged 34-78 y) with hyperlipidemia [total cholesterol, 5.28-8.74 mmol/L (204-338 mg/dL); LDL cholesterol, 3.31-7.16 mmol/L (128-277 mg/dL); triacylglycerol, 0.62-2.78 mmol/L (55-246 mg/dL); and HDL cholesterol 0.78-2.46 mmol/L (30-95 mg/dL)] who were not being treated with lipid-lowering drugs participated. Subjects were treated with red yeast rice (2.4 g/d) or placebo and instructed to consume a diet providing 30% of energy from fat, <10% from saturated fat, and <300 mg cholesterol daily. Main outcome measures were total cholesterol, total triacylglycerol, and HDL and LDL cholesterol measured at weeks 8, 9, 11, and 12.

RESULTS:
Total cholesterol concentrations decreased significantly between baseline and 8 wk in the red-yeast-rice-treated group compared with the placebo-treated group [(x+/-SD) 6.57+/-0.93 mmol/L (254+/-36 mg/dL) to 5.38+/-0.80 mmol/L (208+/-31 mg/dL); P < 0.001]. LDL cholesterol and total triacylglycerol were also reduced with the supplement. HDL cholesterol did not change significantly.

CONCLUSIONS:
Red yeast rice significantly reduces total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, and total triacylglycerol concentrations compared with placebo and provides a new, novel, food-based approach to lowering cholesterol in the general population.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9989685

thanks for the tip!

[bass]

Bass, I asked you about this before, but I REALLY don't think the pulling the needle out of one spot and sticking it in another is sterile and recommended. Why not load 2 syringes? They're cheap man.

not true, its my own blood, I can't contaminate myself, been doing it for a while and no problems.

[powerlifterty16]

Yes, but I don't have experience to make an assessment. Red yeast rice certainly has helped me and I'm hoping it will soon be an alternative to my expensive Crestor prescription.

can you provide a link tot he product you are using? did your hdl change?

[austinite]

NOW foods, 1200mg twice daily is what I use. Amazon

[vmons01]

not true, its my own blood, I can't contaminate myself, been doing it for a while and no problems.

I get that, I just question it. It's coming out moistened with bodily fluids, I just don't think that reinserting it is smart?

[powerlifterty16]

NOW foods, 1200mg twice daily is what I use. Amazon

hanks..what do you think of nature maid cholestoff plus?

[austinite]

I get that, I just question it. It's coming out moistened with bodily fluids, I just don't think that reinserting it is smart?

What's wrong with putting what came out of him, back in him? No different than aspirating blood and reinjecting. Does that mean we should discard an entire injection if blood came through the barrel?

[powerlifterty16]

Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Nature Made Cholestoff Plus, 450 Mg 200 Softgels

[vmons01]

What's wrong with putting what came out of him, back in him? No different than aspirating blood and reinjecting. Does that mean we should discard an entire injection if blood came through the barrel?

The needle is hollow and a plug of skin can get trapped and may not get dislodged. The needle is touching a surface before being reinjected? Just seems cheap enough to use another needle.

I don't know, maybe it's not a big deal. I just want to know for sure before I start doing it.

[austinite]

The needle is hollow and a plug of skin can get trapped and may not get dislodged. The needle is touching a surface before being reinjected? Just seems cheap enough to use another needle.

I don't know, maybe it's not a big deal. I just want to know for sure before I start doing it.

Overthinking. I'd just let it go... If you're that concerned then switch needles. Problem solved.

[FRDave]

What's wrong with putting what came out of him, back in him? No different than aspirating blood and reinjecting. Does that mean we should discard an entire injection if blood came through the barrel?

I'm thinking he thinks Bass is reinserting needle in vial after his injection but Bass is pulling out 60mg from vial upfront, injecting 30mg, moving locations, then injecting the remaining 30mg which is totally fine.

[austinite]

Alright. Let's get back on topic. This is a good thread.....

[bass]

The needle is hollow and a plug of skin can get trapped and may not get dislodged. The needle is touching a surface before being reinjected? Just seems cheap enough to use another needle.

I don't know, maybe it's not a big deal. I just want to know for sure before I start doing it.

watch this video, this is standard practice,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NsgU4FVYOA

and its not about the cost, its for convenience!

[bass]

I'm thinking he thinks Bass is reinserting needle in vial after his injection but Bass is pulling out 60mg from vial upfront, injecting 30mg, moving locations, then injecting the remaining 30mg which is totally fine.

you are absolutely correct Dave!

[vmons01]

Sorry, I wasn't aware that debate and discussion were discouraged. Moving on...

[austinite]

Sorry, I wasn't aware that debate and discussion were discouraged. Moving on...

It's very encouraged. But it's off topic and I think everyone made their statements.

[vmons01]

Off topic? He referred to it in his OP - it's in the title of the thread.

And by everyone you mean 3 individuals.

[powerlifterty16]

Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Nature Made Cholestoff Plus, 450 Mg 200 Softgels

austin any thoughts? i figure it's on topic bc bass may be interested too

[austinite]

No idea brother. never used it.

[Rusty11]

bass, what makes you think your hCG is under-dosed?
SHBG is nice and low. Mine is double that.

[powerlifterty16]

bass, what makes you think your hCG is under-dosed?
SHBG is nice and low. Mine is double that.

he has small balls compared to pre trt

[bass]

bass, what makes you think your hCG is under-dosed?
SHBG is nice and low. Mine is double that.

nut-o-meter! my boys are not responding well to 250ius, so I upped it to 500, but even at 500 I think it might be under dosed.

[Rusty11]

So, the boys have never responded to any dose? I was on trt for over a year before beginning and my guys are full. And, I'm only pinning 100 iu/day. It's not pharma grade, either. I'm sure you've tried differant sources. Interesting. Wonder why.

[jay adams]

My boys were in pain and not making much of a statement. I upped my HCG from 250iu 2xweek to 300iu 2xweek and the relief was amazing. Bigger than they've been in years.

[bass]

I get my hCG from a different india pharm, I am pretty sure its bunk!