So I found out I have low T today.

[JackedJesse]

After having some concerns with my libido and sex drive, I decided to get some blood work done with my PCP. He's an internist. My main concerns were my puffy sensitive nipples. I called today to find out the results and he said that Im in the lower normal range, and to wait a week to see how I feel with these symptoms. He then explained that he supports me going on TRT and I asked him if he is supportive of injectables. He said he likes giving the creams but if that's what id like to do then he's good with it. He then asked if I would be able to do it myself or if I have someone that can do it for me. I told him that wouldn't be a problem. Im getting the bloodwork in a few days and that's when I'll let him know my decision. I'll give you guys numbers when I pick it up. Am I lucky to have him?

I've been lifting for about a year and a half now. I planned on getting on Dr*gs eventually anyway. By the way Im 24, 5'9, 200 lbs at about 19 % BF. Currently cutting.

[xcraider37]

After having some concerns with my libido and sex drive, I decided to get some blood work done with my PCP. He's an internist. My main concerns were my puffy sensitive nipples. I called today to find out the results and he said that Im in the lower normal range, and to wait a week to see how I feel with these symptoms. He then explained that he supports me going on TRT and I asked him if he is supportive of injectables. He said he likes giving the creams but if that's what id like to do then he's good with it. He then asked if I would be able to do it myself or if I have someone that can do it for me. I told him that wouldn't be a problem. Im getting the bloodwork in a few days and that's when I'll let him know my decision. I'll give you guys numbers when I pick it up. Am I lucky to have him?

I've been lifting for about a year and a half now. I planned on getting on Dr*gs eventually anyway. By the way Im 24, 5'9, 200 lbs at about 19 % BF. Currently cutting.

Since your so young, take a step back, get a full panel of blood work done prior to making any decisions. Find out why at 24 your in the low range. Its much better to be using your natural test rather than injecting or applying gel the rest of your life. Not trying to discourage you just saying be sure you don't have something else wrong such as thyroid or pit. tumor.

[kelkel]

JJ welcome to the forum. What is the cause of your Low T? Did the doc pinpoint this for you? You are only 24 and you should do everything possible to avoid TRT at this time in your life and should do everything possible to find the root cause of your issue and correct it. Many, many times it is correctable through lifestyle and dietary changes, barring the cause being a pathology, varicocele or trauma related.

Make sure you have full blood work to review including a full thyroid panel. As stated, many things can cause low T that are correctable. Do not just jump on TRT thinking it's the way to go unless you absolutely, without question need it. I could not imagine starting TRT at your age without a plausible medical diagnosis of what is causing the low T.

Have you cycled in the past, done pro hormones or anything else that could effect your T levels?

[JackedJesse]

Thank you for the responses guys. Yes I cycled with a prohormone back in January/february. I didn't know enough to do pct. After educating myself, I decided to do a prohormone estro blocker like 2 months later as my pct along with fish oil vitamin c and DAA. I ran it for 30 days. I thought this was all I needed. I learned later the proper ways of pct. But didn't think anything of it. My sex drive slowly declined over the past month and a half.

I have plans to go far with bodybuilding. I don't plan on being natural. Should I absolutely use this opportunity to get on TRT since I plan on cycling or blast and cruising eventually anyway? Thank you for your input. It's much appreciated.

[JackedJesse]

Also, no the doctor didnt state a reason for the low level. But he did say well talk more about it and my options when I talk to him next. My concern is when I asked if I should get the DHT and estradiol levels tested he didn't feel they were necessary. So it sounds like he's going off of the total test count. If I do decide to get the Rx for trt, obviously my estro levels are too high correct? So what else would I need to do besides exogenous testosterone ?

[powerlifterty16]

After having some concerns with my libido and sex drive, I decided to get some blood work done with my PCP. He's an internist. My main concerns were my puffy sensitive nipples. I called today to find out the results and he said that Im in the lower normal range, and to wait a week to see how I feel with these symptoms. He then explained that he supports me going on TRT and I asked him if he is supportive of injectables. He said he likes giving the creams but if that's what id like to do then he's good with it. He then asked if I would be able to do it myself or if I have someone that can do it for me. I told him that wouldn't be a problem. Im getting the bloodwork in a few days and that's when I'll let him know my decision. I'll give you guys numbers when I pick it up. Am I lucky to have him?

I've been lifting for about a year and a half now. I planned on getting on Dr*gs eventually anyway. By the way Im 24, 5'9, 200 lbs at about 19 % BF. Currently cutting.

sounds like you have a good doc...does he do hcg and estradiol monitoring/aromatase inhibitors?
No surprise you are in florida.
I donrt know why he'd say to wait one week..you know your body by now rofl.

[powerlifterty16]

Also, no the doctor didnt state a reason for the low level. But he did say well talk more about it and my options when I talk to him next. My concern is when I asked if I should get the DHT and estradiol levels tested he didn't feel they were necessary. So it sounds like he's going off of the total test count. If I do decide to get the Rx for trt, obviously my estro levels are too high correct? So what else would I need to do besides exogenous testosterone?

idk if dht is necessary, but estradiol is...and hcg at your age is a must...i take back what i said about him being good..he sounds like a typical doctor who prescribes meds he knows 0 about =(.

[JackedJesse]

Bump

[kelkel]

Thank you for the responses guys. Yes I cycled with a prohormone back in January/february. I didn't know enough to do pct. After educating myself, I decided to do a prohormone estro blocker like 2 months later as my pct along with fish oil vitamin c and DAA. I ran it for 30 days. I thought this was all I needed. I learned later the proper ways of pct. But didn't think anything of it. My sex drive slowly declined over the past month and a half.

I have plans to go far with bodybuilding. I don't plan on being natural. Should I absolutely use this opportunity to get on TRT since I plan on cycling or blast and cruising eventually anyway? Thank you for your input. It's much appreciated.

Pro hormones can suppress your HPTA in a similar fashion to AAS. You need to see your BW and maybe post it here to let us review it. Specifically interested in your LH and FSH levels.

Also, no the doctor didnt state a reason for the low level. But he did say well talk more about it and my options when I talk to him next. My concern is when I asked if I should get the DHT and estradiol levels tested he didn't feel they were necessary. So it sounds like he's going off of the total test count. If I do decide to get the Rx for trt, obviously my estro levels are too high correct? So what else would I need to do besides exogenous testosterone?

I wouldn't worry about your DHT at the moment. Test turns into DHT so once you figure out whats inhibiting your endogenous T production and it returns to normal, so will your DHT. And no, puffy nips are not always a sign of high estrogen, although it can be. Some people are just more sensitive than others. There is an example of BW in the Finding A TRT Doc Thread at the top of this forum if you need to pull more.

Figure out what the issue is as right now it sounds like you're just ready to jump into TRT with both feet. And I guarantee that you will regret this in the future if it was not needed. 60 years of injections sure sounds like fun.

Use your head.

[powerlifterty16]

agree with kel...the original poster didnt even post his testosterone value..what is LOW?
sound slike he jsut did a bad pct...try a restart and just lift naturally man..many people lift naturally youll be fine

[JackedJesse]

I don't want to be natural. But I want to make sure my doctor knows what he's doing. Im gonna call him tomorrow and explain the prohormone experience.

[powerlifterty16]

I don't want to be natural. But I want to make sure my doctor knows what he's doing. Im gonna call him tomorrow and explain the prohormone experience.

so basically you dont want to put the work in and just want the results that people on the street can admire thinking you worked hard for....and you want to shut your body down, raise your blood pressure, risk a stroke, balding, acne just to be lazy and pretend you are accomplishing something?

i hope your doc doesnt prescribe you trt..no offense but you are setting the movement back.
what was your t value?

[JackedJesse]

Im putting the work in. I have unnatural goals that I want to attain over my lifetime. You clearly are against PED use. So thanks for your input, but I'll politely ask you to leave the conversation.

[kelkel]

You don't have to be. You can still cycle prudently but keeping your HPTA intact should be far more important to you. My god Jesse, you don't know how your life may change by next week, let alone 5 or 10 years from now. Whether you can even afford the items you need or you have insurance, etc. There are just so many variables that you are not considering here. For what, vanity? To be a little bigger? I have no doubt if you figured out your medical issue, improved your nutrition (and everyone can) and training you can make great progress. Then cycle safely but always have that "healthy" normal system to fall back on.

[JackedJesse]

Now were getting into cycling versus blasting and cruising. If I don't have an issue with injecting for 60 years for my vitality and overall health, why do I need to cycle, putting my body through so many changes? Everywhere I look, I see staying on is healthier.

[powerlifterty16]

You don't have to be. You can still cycle prudently but keeping your HPTA intact should be far more important to you. My god Jesse, you don't know how your life may change by next week, let alone 5 or 10 years from now. Whether you can even afford the items you need or you have insurance, etc. There are just so many variables that you are not considering here. For what, vanity? To be a little bigger? I have no doubt if you figured out your medical issue, improved your nutrition (and everyone can) and training you can make great progress. Then cycle safely but always have that "healthy" normal system to fall back on.

Kel am i missing the post where he said what his T level was? I ahve only seen him mention he has low t but he never posted the lab work? My guess is he doesnt have any hypogonadism and prob just needs a pct..but i could be wrong

[JackedJesse]

And I don't just want to be "a little bigger". I eventually want to be huge, vascular, hard. I want the unnatural look.

[powerlifterty16]

Now were getting into cycling versus blasting and cruising. If I don't have an issue with injecting for 60 years for my vitality and overall health, why do I need to cycle, putting my body through so many changes? Everywhere I look, I see staying on is healthier.

i wasnt arguing cycle vs blasting and cruising..I was saying you shouldnt do either. This is a trt forum...aka it is a forum where testosterone deficient males inject sut enough test to get them to the 700-1200 ng/dl range so they can live normal productive lives. Sure some people here blast and cruise(i dont..im not even on trt), but they atleast had low t when they started trt.

also, there is NOTHING healthy about cycling or doing steroids . testosterone aka steroids in the normal range are healthy, but too high of testosterone is prob worse than too low...et's be real here, you want to shortcut your way to bodybuilding wins, not live a healthy life.

[JackedJesse]

Kelkel, your probably right. No I haven't posted my bloodwork yet. But I have the option to get on TRT. With my future goals, this is looking like my better option. That is after I fix the estro problem.

[powerlifterty16]

And I don't just want to be "a little bigger". I eventually want to be huge, vascular, hard. I want the unnatural look.

WHAT IS YOUR TESTOSTERONE LEVEL? You said you had low t...was that a lie?

[powerlifterty16]

Kelkel, your probably right. No I haven't posted my bloodwork yet. But I have the option to get on TRT. With my future goals, this is looking like my better option. That is after I fix the estro problem.

hate to be an asshole, as im really not as bad irl as i seem online LOL, but i doubt you will go far in bb you dont have the drive needed, you just want the easy results.

[JackedJesse]

Im not lying, I'll post tomorrow when I pick up my results. But Im pretty sure he said it was two hundred something.

[kelkel]

And I don't just want to be "a little bigger". I eventually want to be huge, vascular, hard. I want the unnatural look.

Many of us understand that. Far more than you know. So put in your time training and living the life. It doesn't happen overnight. Just don't be so willing to sacrifice your health for this. Even with massive AAS use the odds of making it to the pro's and making money from it are minuscule. Minuscule.

[JackedJesse]

Now your assuming. You have no idea how hard I work or what my diets like. Im not here to start fights. Im asking for help and advice. If you can't give me polite help or advice, PLEASE LEAVE.

[JackedJesse]

Many of us understand that. Far more than you know. So put in your time training and living the life. It doesn't happen overnight. Just don't be so willing to sacrifice your health for this. Even with massive AAS use the odds of making it to the pro's and making money from it are minuscule. Minuscule.

Im not doing it to make it to the pros. Im doing it for myself. I don't want to get into the argument as to how much time someone needs to be natural before using peds

[kelkel]

I'm going with the odds. Maybe you are that "special" one that can make it. Maybe you're not. I'm not starting fights. You are overly sensitive because you are not getting the answer that you want to hear. You won't get the advice you seek here if your goal is to make an end run around what's obviously the smart and healthy thing to do. And who are you to be telling veteran members to leave? You've got a whopping eleven posts. You can easily find another forum that will give you unhealthy advise. I suggest you do so.

And no, I have no idea how hard you train or diet. Post up some pics of yourself. Lets see this potential you speak of?

[JackedJesse]

hate to be an asshole, as im really not as bad irl as i seem online LOL, but i doubt you will go far in bb you dont have the drive needed, you just want the easy results.

I was referring to this. I appreciate you're advice and input. Please don't take what I said as being overly sensitive. I haven't ruled out the option of doing a correct pct and trying to get back to normal levels. But please tell me, with my goals, would I be better off cycling later on and end up blast and cruising like i hear everybody does, or just getting on a trt dose right now?

[kelkel]

Re-read my earlier posts. My advice is simple. Get your system healthy. Fix whatever the problem is first. Then if you choose to cycle you are of age to do so. Just do it responsibly and with your long term health always in mind. Most people that blast and cruise for long periods of time already have their mind set on TRT.
You can make fantastic progress if you use your head and cycle properly and still maintain a healthy endocrine system.

Visit the AAS Q & A forum and read some of the stickies there. Especially Austinites new one on how to conduct your first cycle (or something similar.) Then take a look at Marcus's Diary in the lounge forum for some great training advice.

[JackedJesse]

Re-read my earlier posts. My advice is simple. Get your system healthy. Fix whatever the problem is first. Then if you choose to cycle you are of age to do so. Just do it responsibly and with your long term health always in mind. Most people that blast and cruise for long periods of time already have their mind set on TRT.
You can make fantastic progress if you use your head and cycle properly and still maintain a healthy endocrine system.

Visit the AAS Q & A forum and read some of the stickies there. Especially Austinites new one on how to conduct your first cycle (or something similar.) Then take a look at Marcus's Diary in the lounge forum for some great training advice.

Thank you for your help.

[powerlifterty16]

jesse, kel is right. Steroids are powerful drugs but the pros are insane. eric spoto probably benched 365 his first day in the gym...i know he isnt a pl but it's easier to say this stuff using pls and numbers...there are guys who go in their first day and bench 3 plates, then there are guys who cant do a pushup their first day...even if you are on of the guys who is a beast and does 225 his first day in the gym, if you use roids and the 315 guy uses roids you will never make money....you need to be in the top 10 people on earth to do well as a lifter....same applies to bodybuilding...ronnie coleman prob looked better at 19 before lifting than i look now after nearly 9 years lol.

[ctenosaura]

I think eveyone is being a little hard on Jesse. I wanted to "roid" "cycle" "blast" or whatever its called now when I was twenty but didn't because a girlfriend threatened to dump me if I did. She dumped me anyway and at 21 the door was wide open so I cycled many times and won a number of bodybuilding and powerlifting meets as I'm sure a few of you guys (powerlifty excluded) did also. I quit at 26 and have suffered no ill affects except may be "low T" at 50. So I say let him sow his oats because if he is that determined he'll do it anyways no matter what anyone tells him. Many of us went through the same thing and hopefully he will stop at a reasonable age and keep doing it into thier 40's and 50's and suffer heart attacks and strokes like some people who became addicted and felt no self worth unless they were huge freaks.
What does bug me is using legit medical practitioners to get Test for this reason. It makes us on legit TRT therapy look like steroid junkies to those outside this club. Jesse should go online and find some UG source to fulfill his goal of being a freak. I don't encourage him to do this, but I know a lot of young people and when they want something that bad, they will risk health and safety to get it. Thats why we don't see many older men doing free form rock climbing.

PS - to powerlifter16. Your not on TRT? Why so involved? And I ask this respectfully

[powerlifterty16]

why not be involved? i know a lot about trt, and have low t...im here learning and participating like everyone else .

[ctenosaura]

why not be involved? i know a lot about trt, and have low t...im here learning and participating like everyone else .

I agree. You have educated yourself well. Now stick the needle in your ass and shut up ................joke lol

[powerlifterty16]

I agree. You have educated yourself well. Now stick the needle in your ass and shut up ................joke lol

i hope to get trt when i see shippen in November! gonna do it in the thigh though

[thenoob]

Re-read my earlier posts. My advice is simple. Get your system healthy. Fix whatever the problem is first. Then if you choose to cycle you are of age to do so. Just do it responsibly and with your long term health always in mind. Most people that blast and cruise for long periods of time already have their mind set on TRT.
You can make fantastic progress if you use your head and cycle properly and still maintain a healthy endocrine system.

Visit the AAS Q & A forum and read some of the stickies there. Especially Austinites new one on how to conduct your first cycle (or something similar.) Then take a look at Marcus's Diary in the lounge forum for some great training advice.

If I only take winstrol for 3 weeks... do I take nolvadex for 3 weeks as well

[JackedJesse]

Winstrol doesn't shut you down but it suppresses you. I would recommend a proper pct.

[JackedJesse]

If I only take winstrol for 3 weeks... do I take nolvadex for 3 weeks as well

And your in the wrong section. Go post in the AAS section

[thenoob]

Ok and thank you just one more question what's a proper pct ? I thought that was nolva or Clomid

[JackedJesse]

Ok and thank you just one more question what's a proper pct ? I thought that was nolva or Clomid

Yes but there's much more too it. Back out and go take a look at the PCT section. Read the stickies. If you need more help, post a new thread and people will help you.

[kelkel]

Yes but there's much more too it. Back out and go take a look at the PCT section. Read the stickies. If you need more help, post a new thread and people will help you.

^^^this.