Reasons why the 1x inj every 2-3 weeks protocol is 8-10 years outdated!!!

[CobraMustangSVT]

Glad I saw this thread. I'm also a patient of 2sox's Dr. (I haven't started yet) and I'm really interested in his protocol.

I think he gives a 400mg shot every 2 weeks and he writes the script and I'm supposed to bring it to him for storage and injections. After a few months, he'd let me administer the shots myself.

I'm trying to decide if I should go to him or to the VA for TRT. I have an appointment with the VA this week so I'll see what their protocol is and make a decision from there.

[2Sox]

Glad I saw this thread. I'm also a patient of 2sox's Dr. (I haven't started yet) and I'm really interested in his protocol.

I think he gives a 400mg shot every 2 weeks and he writes the script and I'm supposed to bring it to him for storage and injections. After a few months, he'd let me administer the shots myself.

I'm trying to decide if I should go to him or to the VA for TRT. I have an appointment with the VA this week so I'll see what their protocol is and make a decision from there.

Whatever you do, DO NOT let this guy shoot 400mg of T into you!! I didn't know any better at the time and two days later, I could hardly move. It shot my E2 levels through the roof. It was an awful experience. Tell him whatever you want but don't let him do it!

The standard script he writes for everyone is 400mg every 2 weeks. (Try to see his head NP, if you can - not the doc. Visit the office when the doc is not there.) If he insists on administering the shot, I'd suggest you tell him "I don't feel comfortable with that amount" (400mg, ridiculous!). That you'd "prefer to start conservatively". If you want, you could tell him about my experience (anonymously of course) and that you're "reluctant" to start that high and you'd like to start at 100mg/week. That's how I handled it and he seemed to respond well to it. Bottom line: I was very happy he never insisted on injecting me and wrote me a script.

If I were you, I take that visit to the VA just to see what their protocols are. My buddies haven't gone there for TRT but all have had good experiences there with other things.

Edit: He prescribes 400mg/2 wks.

[powerlifterty16]

Glad I saw this thread. I'm also a patient of 2sox's Dr. (I haven't started yet) and I'm really interested in his protocol.

I think he gives a 400mg shot every 2 weeks and he writes the script and I'm supposed to bring it to him for storage and injections. After a few months, he'd let me administer the shots myself.

I'm trying to decide if I should go to him or to the VA for TRT. I have an appointment with the VA this week so I'll see what their protocol is and make a decision from there.

figures he asks you to bring it to him for injections...cash cow....
was he arrogant when you saw him..he was with me.
see the PA.

[powerlifterty16]

Whatever you do, DO NOT let this guy shoot 400mg of T into you!! I didn't know any better at the time and two days later, I could hardly move. It shot my E2 levels through the roof. It was an awful experience. Tell him whatever you want but don't let him do it!

The standard script he writes for everyone is 200mg every two weeks. (Try to see his NP, Boris if you can - not the doc. Visit the office when the doc is not there.) If he insists on administering the shot, I'd suggest you tell him "I don't feel comfortable with that amount" (400mg, ridiculous!). That you'd "prefer to start conservatively". If you want, you could tell him about my experience (anonymously of course) and that you're "reluctant" to start that high and you'd like to start at 100mg/week. This is exactly how I dealt with him and he responded well to it. Gentle and firm seems to work with him and his head NP, Boris. Bottom line: He never insisted on injecting me and wrote me a script.

If I were you, I take that visit to the VA just to see what their protocols are. My buddies haven't gone there for TRT but all have had good experiences there with other things.

what do you guys mean by ''the va''? i assumed virginia but there are lots of clinics there so im assuming something else right now

[2Sox]

what do you guys mean by ''the va''? i assumed virginia but there are lots of clinics there so im assuming something else right now

Veteran's Administration

[EverettCD]

Veterans Affairs Hospitals. It's for the great men & women that have served our country.

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[2Sox]

Whatever you do, DO NOT let this guy shoot 400mg of T into you!! I didn't know any better at the time and two days later, I could hardly move. It shot my E2 levels through the roof. It was an awful experience. Tell him whatever you want but don't let him do it!

The standard script he writes for everyone is 400mg every 2 weeks. (Try to see his head NP, if you can - not the doc. Visit the office when the doc is not there.) If he insists on administering the shot, I'd suggest you tell him "I don't feel comfortable with that amount" (400mg, ridiculous!). That you'd "prefer to start conservatively". If you want, you could tell him about my experience (anonymously of course) and that you're "reluctant" to start that high and you'd like to start at 100mg/week. This seemed to work well. Bottom line: He never insisted on injecting me and wrote me a script.

If I were you, I take that visit to the VA just to see what their protocols are. My buddies haven't gone there for TRT but all have had good experiences there with other things.

CORRECTION to above: Doc prescribes 400mg every two weeks so that averages to 200mg/week.

[powerlifterty16]

2sox, what is boris's standard protocol for trt? I know you said he is listening to what you say, but if someone who isnt you went in there with no clue about trt, and a total compliance attitude, what would boris do, or what did he try to do with you for trt?

[CobraMustangSVT]

Whatever you do, DO NOT let this guy shoot 400mg of T into you!! I didn't know any better at the time and two days later, I could hardly move. It shot my E2 levels through the roof. It was an awful experience. Tell him whatever you want but don't let him do it!

The standard script he writes for everyone is 200mg every week. (Try to see his NP, Boris if you can - not the doc. Visit the office when the doc is not there.) If he insists on administering the shot, I'd suggest you tell him "I don't feel comfortable with that amount" (400mg, ridiculous!). That you'd "prefer to start conservatively". If you want, you could tell him about my experience (anonymously of course) and that you're "reluctant" to start that high and you'd like to start at 100mg/week. This is exactly how I dealt with him and he responded well to it. Gentle and firm seems to work with him and his head NP, Boris. Bottom line: He never insisted on injecting me and wrote me a script.

If I were you, I take that visit to the VA just to see what their protocols are. My buddies haven't gone there for TRT but all have had good experiences there with other things.

Edit: He prescribes 200mg/wk.

Thank you. I'm thinking the same way. I would rather get 100mg a week and start off slow. I want to take the least amount of stuff possible so I would like to avoid arimidex and aromasin if possible. Hopefullly, with a low enough dose, I won't need those AI's. I've been doing some research about the VA hospitals and it seems like they don't do HcG and AI's either but, it would be free for me and they would let me inject myself. I would rather have the VA in case things change with my insurance, I move, etc., I know I'll be covered.

[CobraMustangSVT]

figures he asks you to bring it to him for injections...cash cow....
was he arrogant when you saw him..he was with me.
see boris.

I've seen Boris twice and the doc once. The doc was very nice but I'm guessing it was because I saw him immediately after 2sox saw him one day and 2sox softened him up for me.

Boris was nice. I never asked Boris about his protocol. I should have done that.

[powerlifterty16]

Thank you. I'm thinking the same way. I would rather get 100mg a week and start off slow. I want to take the least amount of stuff possible so I would like to avoid arimidex and aromasin if possible. Hopefullly, with a low enough dose, I won't need those AI's. I've been doing some research about the VA hospitals and it seems like they don't do HcG and AI's either but, it would be free for me and they would let me inject myself. I would rather have the VA in case things change with my insurance, I move, etc., I know I'll be covered.

the only real purpose i see for 2sox's dr is that he will treat males even if they have normal levels of testosterone : Other than that, i dont see him as being any more knowledgeable or progressive when compared to a typical boneheaded endocrinologist. i give him credit for realizing most men dont do well on gels, and for realizing that free t is important. He really has no other redeemable qualities.

[2Sox]

2sox, what is boris's standard protocol for trt? I know you said he is listening to what you say, but if someone who isnt you went in there with no clue about trt, and a total compliance attitude, what would boris do, or what did he try to do with you for trt?

Head NP was trained by Dr. and he follows his protocols. He's just a little easier to deal with. But remember, all the charts eventually are seen by Dr's eyes so he can't stray too far.

I had a recent talk with the NP about my blood work - which I took a couple of hours after my shot. The NP knew that but he said let's do it anyway. (TT was like 1360! HCT was 53%! I gave blood the next day.) He said he and Dr. would prefer I do my 40mg EOD the IM route. I said sure. I'm still doing SQ and and I don't feel it's necessary to change that. My levels are quite good: TT is 800 and Free T toward top of range the day after injection. (BW from my urologist)

I'm only taking .25mg anastrozole every 4 days and this works just fine for me. I also take 50mg zinc/day, 4mg copper/day. And I will start taking DIM as soon as I get to Vitamin Shoppe.

[powerlifterty16]

Boris was trained by Dr. and he follows his protocols. He's just a little easier to deal with. But remember, all the charts eventually are seen by Dr's eyes so he can't stray too far.

I had a recent talk with Boris about my blood work - which I took a couple of hours after my shot. Boris knew that but he said let's do it anyway. (TT was like 1360! HCT was 53%! I gave blood the next day.) He said he and Dr. would prefer I do my 40mg EOD the IM route. I said sure. I'm still doing SQ and I have no intention of changing. My levels are quite good: TT is 800 and Free T toward top of range the day after injection. (BW from my urologist)

I'm only taking .25mg anastrozole every 4 days and this works just fine for me. I also take 50mg zinc/day, 4mg copper/day. And I will start taking DIM as soon as I get to Vitamin Shoppe.

im confused on a few things
1- what made you do the bw few hours after injection? why not wait for your trough level? was it boris's uneducated idea?
2-i thought testosterone took 24-48 hours to peak...wouldnt your level be higher the next day as opposed to few hours after the shot?
3- it seems that boris is looking for ways in which your methods are going to fail...hence the early bw showing too high of t and blaming it on sub q

i really think you should call harry finch and see if he takes your insurance..but it's your call...you can cut both your urologist(he is one) and your ''testosterone doctor'' out.

[CobraMustangSVT]

Boris was trained by Dr. and he follows his protocols. He's just a little easier to deal with. But remember, all the charts eventually are seen by Dr's eyes so he can't stray too far.

I had a recent talk with Boris about my blood work - which I took a couple of hours after my shot. Boris knew that but he said let's do it anyway. (TT was like 1360! HCT was 53%! I gave blood the next day.) He said he and Dr. would prefer I do my 40mg EOD the IM route. I said sure. I'm still doing SQ and I have no intention of changing. My levels are quite good: TT is 800 and Free T toward top of range the day after injection. (BW from my urologist)

I'm only taking .25mg anastrozole every 4 days and this works just fine for me. I also take 50mg zinc/day, 4mg copper/day. And I will start taking DIM as soon as I get to Vitamin Shoppe.

Hi,
Did he check your estrogen? Is that why you're taking arimidex ? I'm trying to avoid AI's as much as possible because if I can't get it prescribed, I don't know where to get it and how much it'll cost me.

[2Sox]

im confused on a few things
1- what made you do the bw few hours after injection? why not wait for your trough level? was it boris's uneducated idea?
2-i thought testosterone took 24-48 hours to peak...wouldnt your level be higher the next day as opposed to few hours after the shot?
3- it seems that boris is looking for ways in which your methods are going to fail...hence the early bw showing too high of t and blaming it on sub q

i really think you should call harry finch and see if he takes your insurance..but it's your call...you can cut both your urologist(he is one) and your ''testosterone doctor'' out.

Yes, NP's idea. Also curious to see what was going on. Scheduled for BW at my urologist on Friday. Curious to see where HCT is and all the rest.

Is Finch the guy on Park Avenue? If he is, it is highly doubtful he takes Medicare. None of these high end guys do.

I'm actually doing fine with both these doctors. I get what I need and I'm always aware of my BW at any given time. Plus, my allergist is a good friend, fills in the diagnostic codes and lets me check anything off on the sheet for Quest. I've spoken to him in detail about my journey.

[powerlifterty16]

Hi,
Did he check your estrogen? Is that why you're taking arimidex? I'm trying to avoid AI's as much as possible because if I can't get it prescribed, I don't know where to get it and how much it'll cost me.

sox buys the adex overseas...the dr refuses to prescribe it

[CobraMustangSVT]

sox buys the adex overseas...the dr refuses to prescribe it

I'm scared to do that. When I was diagnosed with Low T, instead of paying a $25 co-pay every 2 weeks, I thought of the great idea of just injecting myself. I ordered testosterone enanthate overseas for only $43 a vial. It was a 2500mg bottle so there was some substantial savings there.

The package was siezed by US Customs and they sent me a letter asking me if I wanted to claim it. I threw the letter away.

[2Sox]

Never had a problem with the place. Just sent you a pm.

[CarlosSemiDanger]

Based on everything that I read weekly or twice a week protocols provides the best impact with the least amount of side effects. My doctor has ordered me for 200mg depo-T for every two weeks so I need to find some ammunition to argue my case. The attached graph is great but can you help me to interpret it the right way.

Does the graph apply to ALL dosage levels? So if my doctor were to pump me 400mg every two weeks, then would I still run empty on day 9? Did you have research paper where you acquired the graph (I could point the doctor into the article)?

I manage to convince the doctor to do the shots every two weeks by just applying the basic half-time math showing that the starting levels would have to be ridiculously high in order to have sensible levels at the end of week 4. Now I need to have something to convince him to move me into 100mg weekly dosage.

I had my first shot almost two week ago so it is probably a bit too early for me to argue that I'm crashing as we just started the treatment but I would like to get some research based materials to support my argument as the doc seems to be open listening as long as I can scientifically prove my point.

[FRDave]

I'm scared to do that. When I was diagnosed with Low T, instead of paying a $25 co-pay every 2 weeks, I thought of the great idea of just injecting myself. I ordered testosterone enanthate overseas for only $43 a vial. It was a 2500mg bottle so there was some substantial savings there.

The package was siezed by US Customs and they sent me a letter asking me if I wanted to claim it. I threw the letter away.

Big difference between testosterone and arimidex .