thinking of taking a break from hrt

[dreadnok89]

i wanna take some chlomid and take a break for a bit. i really just wanna give my balls a break. doesy anyone think this is silly or is it good to take breaks once in a while?

[austinite]

Hey dread. Why are you on TRT and how long has it been? You could be a candidate for a restart. 32 is still young.

[dreadnok89]

well i started when iw as 32, im 34 now. 2 years ago everyone of my bloodtests showed my test under 250 and even as low as 90. my free t was awful as well. i was on lexapro for 5 years so they think that could of shut off my pituitary gland

[austinite]

Interesting. If you're secondary, clomid won't do anything for you if pituitary is permanently disabled.

[kelkel]

Have you had an MRI? What was the root cause of your initial low T?

[dreadnok89]

no clue guys. i got put on andro gel after consistent low T.None of these piece of shit doctors do anything or even give a give shit. they just push andro gel. even if i do get an mri what would be down to fix it?

[Bonaparte]

How is that going to "give your balls a break"?
If you actually needed HRT, coming off is pointless.

[dreadnok89]

casue i dont like the shrinkage and i dont wanna become sterile. sex feels totally better off of hrt to me. i never had a low libido or erection problems so my balls arent the problem. i was strong in the gym before this stuff as well. i dont like having kid balls. very odd when getting with a lady

[austinite]

casue i dont like the shrinkage and i dont wanna become sterile. sex feels totally better off of hrt to me. i never had a low libido or erection problems so my balls arent the problem. i was strong in the gym before this stuff as well. i dont like having kid balls. very odd when getting with a lady

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... I don't understand this, dread. Do you know why your testicals shrink??

[FRDave]

casue i dont like the shrinkage and i dont wanna become sterile. sex feels totally better off of hrt to me. i never had a low libido or erection problems so my balls arent the problem. i was strong in the gym before this stuff as well. i dont like having kid balls. very odd when getting with a lady

Have you tried HCG ?

[dreadnok89]

ohh ya. i even use hcg . i been using andro gel for 2 years. it works pretty damn good. my test has been 800 to 1200 consistently. i also got my free test up alot as well taking exestamane .25 ed

[austinite]

ohh ya. i even use hcg. i been using andro gel for 2 years. it works pretty damn good. my test has been 800 to 1200 consistently. i also got my free test up alot as well taking exestamane .25 ed

So your plan is to come off the gel and hCG ? Are you under a doctors care of self treating?

[dreadnok89]

kind of half and half. most doctors i been too have no clue. the andro gel you can get but not AI or hcg . i found one guy who does the hcg but has no clue about shit. i got exest from a friend and it has worked great. the latest doctor gave me a bloodtest that showed i had 3300 test and 184 estrogen, of course the test was wrong. i got a labcorp test and my test was 807 and 17.1 estrogen. he doesnt understand the sensitive estrogen either. im just disgusted with every jerkoff doctor and figured trying the chlomid and being done with it

[austinite]

kind of half and half. most doctors i been too have no clue. the andro gel you can get but not AI or hcg. i found one guy who does the hcg but has no clue about shit. i got exest from a friend and it has worked great. the latest doctor gave me a bloodtest that showed i had 3300 test and 184 estrogen, of course the test was wrong. i got a labcorp test and my test was 807 and 17.1 estrogen. he doesnt understand the sensitive estrogen either. im just disgusted with every jerkoff doctor and figured trying the chlomid and being done with it

Gotcha. Well I wouldn't call them jerkoffs. Probably just not up to date on current treatments.

I'm kind of confused with your situation, but I think you should seek what kelkel said earlier. Try and find the root cause.

[dreadnok89]

no, i call them jerkoffs because they disregard any point i bring up to them i learned from this board. my latest doctor doesnt believe taking blood from where i rub androgel can mess up the bloodtest. or protein makes you fat. this guy does alot of hrt and still doesnt order the right godamn estrogen test. but my question is, even if they find the root cause it doesnt matter right? there is no alternative. my test will never be back. i should have just ran juice as a kid hahah.

[dreadnok89]

Have you tried HCG?

ya dave, sorry man didnt see your post. i dont notice anything really with the hcg . i do however notice a bigger ballbag and testicles when i miss my gel for a couple days. do shots and gell have the same effects on the testicles? or is gel alot more taxing on them

[austinite]

no, i call them jerkoffs because they disregard any point i bring up to them i learned from this board. my latest doctor doesnt believe taking blood from where i rub androgel can mess up the bloodtest. or protein makes you fat. this guy does alot of hrt and still doesnt order the right godamn estrogen test. but my question is, even if they find the root cause it doesnt matter right? there is no alternative. my test will never be back. i should have just ran juice as a kid hahah.

Alright. I just don't see how name calling is beneficial here. But finding the root cause will certainly matter. Could be a problem that can be fixed without T therapy..

[dreadnok89]

its beneficial to me because they waste my time and my money :P and like to find one that would know what some root causes would be. for instance the last uro i went to told me there is no to keep your balls active on androgel . I said what about hcg , he said no clue what that is. don't say you deal with hrt if you don't know what that is. The low t place def sounds good but no places in jersey. i did lose alot of weight on hrt so far and can do cardio like a maniac. there are definitely alot of pluses. I guess i was just wondering if chlomid would start me back up thats all, but i realize it will probably just put me back in the 150- 225 range.

[dreadnok89]

How is that going to "give your balls a break"?
If you actually needed HRT, coming off is pointless.

thats why i asked

[powerlifterty16]

no, i call them jerkoffs because they disregard any point i bring up to them i learned from this board. my latest doctor doesnt believe taking blood from where i rub androgel can mess up the bloodtest. or protein makes you fat. this guy does alot of hrt and still doesnt order the right godamn estrogen test. but my question is, even if they find the root cause it doesnt matter right? there is no alternative. my test will never be back. i should have just ran juice as a kid hahah.

if these drs were wrong about these things, they may be wrong about your pituitary being shut off. Do you have pre trt blood work? How would they know if lexapro shut your pituitary down? These drugs are scary if that can really happen.
I wouldnt be happy with peanut balls either. Perhaps you are getting bunk hcg ? If you arent happy with the androgel , maybe try the clomid....do scally's pct protocol, and then after that maintain with 25mg mwf of clomid....btw look up dr scott greenberg....he is in nj and kel told me about him.

[kelkel]

Dread you either need to find a doc to work with you through this, find the cause and then make an informed decision. Or possibly make an appt with one of the named docs we speak of here. That or just stay on TRT and maybe switch to LT.com where you'll be treated properly and will all correct ancillaries.

[dreadnok89]

yeah power, i did have pre t bloodwork. my t was between 90-225. i ave years worth of bloodtests before i went on androgel . none around with the lowt people i already asked :[ ill look up the greenberg guy. thx guys

[Ryanmcd]

yeah power, i did have pre t bloodwork. my t was between 90-225. i ave years worth of bloodtests before i went on androgel. none around with the lowt people i already asked :[ ill look up the greenberg guy. thx guys

As someone said here, find a GOOD doc and they are out there you just may have to travel a little bit but again it's the best money you can spend.

[HRTstudent]

I get where you're coming from. Like you, I'm a younger guy who was put on Testim then Androgel ... without sufficient work up from the medical community IMO.


In the back of my mind lingers the idea of trying a "restart." I think it comes down to a personal decision. Write out the pros and cons on a piece of paper. Think about things.

As others have said, if you wish to stick with HRT then find a better doctor. Sounds like you're seeing some real fools. I've been there before. Perhaps, my favorite is the endocrinologist who said that "breast growth is normal on testosterone "... oh thank you for the expert opinion! What a disgrace...

At the end of the day, I've never heard of TRT being a life or death thing -- it's an optional treatment and ultimately up to the patient. Be smart about coming off though, because we certainly know that having no endogenous T production is not pretty!

[dreadnok89]

thx hrt, i told an endo that too. i said its high estrogen that does that and she told me i was wrong. i do feel great on hrt. but i was really just concerned about my testicles.

[powerlifterty16]

thx hrt, i told an endo that too. i said its high estrogen that does that and she told me i was wrong. i do feel great on hrt. but i was really just concerned about my testicles.

dread who do u see i may know him

[dreadnok89]

it was a lady. i forget her name something with a z. im set up to see a michael bickerton now

[HRTstudent]

thx hrt, i told an endo that too. i said its high estrogen that does that and she told me i was wrong. i do feel great on hrt. but i was really just concerned about my testicles.

is it fertility or aesthetics that is your primary worry?

[dreadnok89]

I don't know what aesthetics is hahahaha. I'm just gonna keep using hcg and stick it out. I feel too good to mess around