Human Growth Hormone decision

[raco23]

Hello I am 26 I am 6'3 250 pounds, I do not take steriods I have tried them some I liked some I didnt, but Growth Hormone is what Im asking about, I tried Humatropin by Eli lilly at 1.5 ius a day for about 28 days, I got the most amazing results, within 2 weeks I was ripped and shredded, by the end of the month I looked like a weapon. I am trying to decide right now what HGH i should purchas, HUmatrope, Omnitrope, or Norditropin. WHich one has highest purity, results, and plain and simple is the best? ANy help would be really appreciated, money is not an option I just want to focus on fat reduction and muscle gain. I am in gym twice a day as is, low heart rate cardio in am push pull weight lifting at nigh, eating nothing but in motion meals all day. Thanks to whoever answers and helps me decide.

[marcus300]

Any pharm grade hgh is the same as any other pharm grade,

the gh didn't get you ripped and shredded in 2 weeks especially at 1.5ius, its impossible. It must of been your diet and training what got you the results

its a long term therapy for at least 6 months and you need to be running around 4 ius to see fat loss and all the other health benefits. If you want to see muscle tissue gains from gh you need to be using 8iu+ for 9-12 months in conjunction with AAS.

[raco23]

I eat in motion meals, healthiest shit ever, high protein compex carbs low fat, no sugars, and just delicios. SO i was eating that and doing low heart rate cardio in am and Push PUll weight liftin at night, when i say i saw results in two weeks, I was leaner, more veiny and didnt lose any muscle strength. But before I was done with first month I was breaking necks of girls trying to get second look as i walked by haha. Which do you think is better though buddy?

[marcus300]

I eat in motion meals, healthiest shit ever, high protein compex carbs low fat, no sugars, and just delicios. SO i was eating that and doing low heart rate cardio in am and Push PUll weight liftin at night, when i say i saw results in two weeks, I was leaner, more veiny and didnt lose any muscle strength. But before I was done with first month I was breaking necks of girls trying to get second look as i walked by haha. Which do you think is better though buddy?

1.5ius of gh for 2 weeks didn't do anything for you what so ever, it was your diet, cardio and training. You produce that amount naturally anyway and its a long term therapy you need at least double that amount for at least 6 months to see any of the health benefits. Muscle tissue from HGH is a whole different ball game.

All pharm grade hgh is the same, any is 100%

[raco23]

Sir i must disagree with you, while my diet was excellent (you may wanna try In Motion meals by the way) and my training was superb, I was familiar with the results that I would achieve from that alone. The HUmatrope did not make me ripped as hell in 2 weeks i misspoke, i start seeing and feeling little results. For insitance hands and feet tingling, better nights sleep, veins poppin out of everywhere, my immune system was alot better and also some pains i had been feeling in my back for months started to dissapate, I was doing 2 sometimes 2.2 ius a day of elli lilly humatrope, i dont know what it was but i had great reaction to it and would like to get it again, i would like to know if Omniptrope or norditropin are better buys? In purity, strength and results. I respect your opinion just dont think your or understanding everything im trying to say

[katelly]

1.5ius of gh for 2 weeks didn't do anything for you what so ever, it was your diet, cardio and training. You produce that amount naturally anyway and its a long term therapy you need at least double that amount for at least 6 months to see any of the health benefits. Muscle tissue from HGH is a whole different ball game.

All pharm grade hgh is the same, any is 100%

your exactly correct. Takes at least 6 months at 3 iu daily to see results. Tingling and other things you feel doesn't mean it was hgh, but its a good tell tale sign. Ive seen hgh make hands tremble only to do serum test to find out it wasn't hgh. Imo I dont care where I get it from I go to medlabs and get a $50 serum test then I know what I got. Takes 2 days for results. Over 16 is good hgh on the lw level end. Ive seen hyges run in the 40s

[Brett N]

I apologize if I am mistaken but....

Sure and the hell seems like raco is spamming here by promoting the "in motion" brand meals. All 3 of his posts mention them with no reason.

If you have a question to ask, just ask it. If you have your diet in check. Say you have your diet in check. I don't mention anywhere but right now that I buy Tyson chicken, so why do you mention the brand of food you are eating?

[powerlifterty16]

Sir i must disagree with you, while my diet was excellent (you may wanna try In Motion meals by the way) and my training was superb, I was familiar with the results that I would achieve from that alone. The HUmatrope did not make me ripped as hell in 2 weeks i misspoke, i start seeing and feeling little results. For insitance hands and feet tingling, better nights sleep, veins poppin out of everywhere, my immune system was alot better and also some pains i had been feeling in my back for months started to dissapate, I was doing 2 sometimes 2.2 ius a day of elli lilly humatrope, i dont know what it was but i had great reaction to it and would like to get it again, i would like to know if Omniptrope or norditropin are better buys? In purity, strength and results. I respect your opinion just dont think your or understanding everything im trying to say

of course the hgh helped. i've had this debate with marcus before. steroids are powerful drugs, and even if you sat on your ass all day you would still make more progress than a guy who is natural and working hard. By natural i mean the typical 20 yr old with normal t. Im not saying you, or anyone who takes steroids is lazy, but im saying they COULD be if they wanted to.
It's all in the research. Im not even on steoids, and I noticed just from taking a moderate amount of hcg , my strength has skyrocketed.

[kelkel]

of course the hgh helped. i've had this debate with marcus before. steroids are powerful drugs, and even if you sat on your ass all day you would still make more progress than a guy who is natural and working hard. By natural i mean the typical 20 yr old with normal t. Im not saying you, or anyone who takes steroids is lazy, but im saying they COULD be if they wanted to.
It's all in the research. Im not even on steoids, and I noticed just from taking a moderate amount of hcg, my strength has skyrocketed.

No to the above.

Marcus is correct and the point is regarding HGH for 28 days and the alleged "ripped" results. Not gonna happen. I tend to agree with Brett here....

[raco23]

No means spamming, just trying to say what Im eating so whoever is helping me can check and see what im eating and better understand how my diet is in check... if i was spamming i would have put alot more info in and wouldnt be asking about which gowth is better, so you sir are incorrect. My question is simple which growth is better Humatrope Norditropin or omnitrope. And i was saying how I took Humatrope 36 IU for month and got insane results, I dont care if people dont think thats possible or whatever that Point is irrelavent. Would any of you fine gentleman like to help me actually answer the question on which one is better? If not im just gonna get 72 iu elli lily version of humatrope and just do what I know/

[raco23]

I mean its okay if you guys havnt had the same results, and your body doesnt react the same as mine to it. Its okay if you guys dont know the answer to question ive been asking. But there is no reason to hate on my results, say its not possible, and say im Spamming because I am talking about diet i Had been on when I got results and one I am on now.

[kelkel]

Your question was answered by Marcus.
Post some pics of this transformation.

[raco23]

he said any pharm grade is the same as any pharm grade, i do believe that while pharm grade is very potent and strong. I find it hard to believe that all three are the same quality strength and potentcy, if i am incorrect then so be it... so Kelkel you believe that Huma Nordi and Omni are equal in quality, strength and potency?

[kelkel]

Pharm grade meets certain standards to be pharm grade. Your'e over-thinking this.

[powerlifterty16]

No to the above.

Marcus is correct and the point is regarding HGH for 28 days and the alleged "ripped" results. Not gonna happen. I tend to agree with Brett here....

kel, the science doesn't lie. I have to disagree with you....no hate to you, but your opinion is biased.

[powerlifterty16]

No means spamming, just trying to say what Im eating so whoever is helping me can check and see what im eating and better understand how my diet is in check... if i was spamming i would have put alot more info in and wouldnt be asking about which gowth is better, so you sir are incorrect. My question is simple which growth is better Humatrope Norditropin or omnitrope. And i was saying how I took Humatrope 36 IU for month and got insane results, I dont care if people dont think thats possible or whatever that Point is irrelavent. Would any of you fine gentleman like to help me actually answer the question on which one is better? If not im just gonna get 72 iu elli lily version of humatrope and just do what I know/

i didnt hate on you, i was agreeing. to answer your question, you are in the wrong section. this is the trt forum, not the cycle forum

[kelkel]

kel, the science doesn't lie. I have to disagree with you....no hate to you, but your opinion is biased.

No worries PL. Not a biased opinion. Consider it an experienced opinion. You can take all the AAS in the pharmacy but without hard work and nutrition it's a waste of time. You don't just sit and grow. If that was the case we'd all just inject, sit on the couch and be like Arnold! It requires a synergistic effect between aas, nutrition and training.

[OoberVir]

kel, the science doesn't lie. I have to disagree with you....no hate to you, but your opinion is biased.

You're definitely wrong on this. A serious strength training program has a much more profound effect than injecting steroids or hormones and not exercising. Feel free to link a study that contradicts this but it would be the first of its kind I've seen.

[Rusty11]

of course the hgh helped. i've had this debate with marcus before. steroids are powerful drugs, and even if you sat on your ass all day you would still make more progress than a guy who is natural and working hard. By natural i mean the typical 20 yr old with normal t.

What a silly comment. I can take hgh, sit in my butt, and have a great physical transformation. What makes it even more ludicrous is the fact that you are disagreeing with two huge, seasoned, massive, knowledgeable guys who have been at this longer than you've been alive. Do you have a clue how ridiculous your internet knowledge sounds? No, you don't.

[raco23]

no man i wasnt refering to you, i was refering to marcus or whoever said there was no way i got results with such a small amount of huma. I did cycle of sust and tren , 700 mg of sust for 10 weeks and 400 mg of tren for 10 weeks. was extremely happy with my gains i was at about 265 with 7-8% bodyfat benching 565-575, squating 600 (not impressive but got hit by IED in iraq and ****ed up left leg so itll do) as my post cycle i did 2 months of huma 36 ius 1.2 ius a day. I looked amazing at end of cycle was eating perfect, not gonna say name of meals so i dont get accused of spamming again hahah, and I was lifting at this incredible strength training gym. Within a few weeks of takin huma I noticed i had increas vasculinity and kept all my size even now i still have some of the size, and my abs looked insane injuries no longer hurt and other results. Right now I am not on anything I am just trying to decide if i should buy Huma again, nordi, or omni... I am new to this site, i just clicked new forum or post question lol.

[powerlifterty16]

What a silly comment. I can take hgh, sit in my butt, and have a great physical transformation. What makes it even more ludicrous is the fact that you are disagreeing with two huge, seasoned, massive, knowledgeable guys who have been at this longer than you've been alive. Do you have a clue how ridiculous your internet knowledge sounds? No, you don't.

everything I said is correct, and there are many studies to prove this. If you knew anything about science, you;d know that marcus and kel are biased entities. In addition the science, i know people on steroids who do nothing and have blown up, and i know i on hcg feel something.
get off your high horse.

[powerlifterty16]

You're definitely wrong on this. A serious strength training program has a much more profound effect than injecting steroids or hormones and not exercising. Feel free to link a study that contradicts this but it would be the first of its kind I've seen.

there are many studies. if you'd like to research this you can, but im not going to pot the study on a biased forum..im just telling the op he is right, not trying to convince, you or marccus

[kelkel]

So where then are all of these large, extremely muscular, non-working out AAS guys? And what competitions or other sporting events have they won? And please tell me why I'm biased?

[powerlifterty16]

So where then are all of these large, extremely muscular, non-working out AAS guys? And what competitions or other sporting events have they won? And please tell me why I'm biased?

i dont want to get into why you are biased..as i said, no disrespect to you.
ive named one of the guys i talk to before. search invulnerable dr on youtube. he is the laziest guy ive ever seen, and eats fast food all day. never squats or dls, and barely works out, but is on juice and has a pretty decent upper body.....and even though his squat and dead are far from strong, he was able to dead 465 with a few weeks of training..then decided it was too hard and stopped.
i dont remember who published the scientific literature, but i think it was that harvard shrink.

[kelkel]

Ok. No disrespect taken PL. You are entitled to your opinion.

[powerlifterty16]

thanks! btw i didnt know you were in your 50s....hope i look that good lol.
my neighbor looks similar to you, but not as bulky and is 66. i often wonder if he is on trt, but he is italian and ive known him for about 21 years, and think he is just HIGH t lol....doesnt really workout much either...but ALWAYS is out in the yard doing shit.

[kelkel]

Don't blow my cover.

[EverettCD]

everything I said is correct, and there are many studies to prove this. If you knew anything about science, you;d know that marcus and kel are biased entities. In addition the science, i know people on steroids who do nothing and have blown up, and i know i on hcg feel something.
get off your high horse.

If you have the spare time to post all day every day then you have time to post the "many studies" you claim prove your statements to be correct.

[powerlifterty16]

If you have the spare time to post all day every day then you have time to post the "many studies" you claim prove your statements to be correct.

look at my posts, i dont post all day everyday...and a simple google search will get you the results faster than insulting me will

[powerlifterty16]

btw <3 you everett

[marcus300]

Sir i must disagree with you, while my diet was excellent (you may wanna try In Motion meals by the way) and my training was superb, I was familiar with the results that I would achieve from that alone. The HUmatrope did not make me ripped as hell in 2 weeks i misspoke, i start seeing and feeling little results. For insitance hands and feet tingling, better nights sleep, veins poppin out of everywhere, my immune system was alot better and also some pains i had been feeling in my back for months started to dissapate, I was doing 2 sometimes 2.2 ius a day of elli lilly humatrope, i dont know what it was but i had great reaction to it and would like to get it again, i would like to know if Omniptrope or norditropin are better buys? In purity, strength and results. I respect your opinion just dont think your or understanding everything im trying to say

You don't understand, its impossible. Your taking the same amount a normal person produces and gh doesn't work like you said. You have no idea what your saying or doing. Its impossible to get amazing results from gh in 2 weeks at 1.5 ius its like you trying to tell me you can walk on water.

Pharm grade is pharm grade no matter how many times I say it.

i'm out of here, cant waste my time on this one

[Rida5d]

i dont want to get into why you are biased..as i said, no disrespect to you.
ive named one of the guys i talk to before. search invulnerable dr on youtube. he is the laziest guy ive ever seen, and eats fast food all day. never squats or dls, and barely works out, but is on juice and has a pretty decent upper body.....and even though his squat and dead are far from strong, he was able to dead 465 with a few weeks of training..then decided it was too hard and stopped.
i dont remember who published the scientific literature, but i think it was that harvard shrink.

ok .. will u please tell me how AAS develop muscles without hitting the muscles fibers ?
why would some ppl gain crap even they train hard while nutrition is not on check ?
could be bunk gear ?
i ve always believed in the trio and i am listing it in order .. diet on check , good work outs , then AAS
now i guess u are telling me that i should reconsider my trio..and eliminate working out .. right?

i have no prob with that ... will u please explain more ... i am a newbie.. and a lazy ****
i ll be glad if i ll be doing my GF rather than loosing 1.5 hours at the gym touching cold steal iron instead of her sexy body..

[powerlifterty16]

ok .. will u please tell me how AAS develop muscles without hitting the muscles fibers ?
why would some ppl gain crap even they train hard while nutrition is not on check ?
could be bunk gear ?
i ve always believed in the trio and i am listing it in order .. diet on check , good work outs , then AAS
now i guess u are telling me that i should reconsider my trio..and eliminate working out .. right?

i have no prob with that ... will u please explain more ... i am a newbie.. and a lazy ****
i ll be glad if i ll be doing my GF rather than loosing 1.5 hours at the gym touching cold steal iron instead of her sexy body..

dude think about it. During puberty you explode in size without even working out. Thinks about genetics too. Eric spoto most likely benched 315-405 without ever touching a weight dude. Higher levels of t definitley affect muscle gain even when you don't vreak down muscle. That is what anabolic means.

Back when I was in college my teacher told me that working out has a complimentary effect to using roids. That means even if you dont work out you will still get good results, but if you do work out, keep shit in check etc, your gains will be beastly.

idk how people can use gear and make bad progress.....makes no sense to me, as i gave made decent progress on no gear and low t.

[powerlifterty16]

ok .. will u please tell me how AAS develop muscles without hitting the muscles fibers ?
why would some ppl gain crap even they train hard while nutrition is not on check ?
could be bunk gear ?
i ve always believed in the trio and i am listing it in order .. diet on check , good work outs , then AAS
now i guess u are telling me that i should reconsider my trio..and eliminate working out .. right?

i have no prob with that ... will u please explain more ... i am a newbie.. and a lazy ****
i ll be glad if i ll be doing my GF rather than loosing 1.5 hours at the gym touching cold steal iron instead of her sexy body..

don''t be lazy man...one f the reasons i lift is to develop my mind. i lift to increase mental toughness. what good is a 405 bench or 20 inch arms if you just sat on your couch in order to get it? ****ing girls is nice, but there's more to life. Most girls aren't anything special without makeup lol.

[bartman314]

some are tho. and those are the ones at the gym. think of working out as a social move?!?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Eric Spoto started lifting at age 11.
He first benched 315 at age 15.
He first benched 400 by his senior year in high school.

All information is from The Power Magazine as told to Mark Bell by Eric Spoto.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

dude think about it. During puberty you explode in size without even working out. Thinks about genetics too. Eric spoto most likely benched 315-405 without ever touching a weight dude. Higher levels of t definitley affect muscle gain even when you don't vreak down muscle. That is what anabolic means.

Back when I was in college my teacher told me that working out has a complimentary effect to using roids. That means even if you dont work out you will still get good results, but if you do work out, keep shit in check etc, your gains will be beastly.

idk how people can use gear and make bad progress.....makes no sense to me, as i gave made decent progress on no gear and low t.

info on what causes growth spurts.....

Adolescent Health Curriculum - Puberty - Normal Growth and Development (A1)

"Many of the body's hormones influence growth, such as growth hormone , thyroxine, insulin , and corticosteroids (all of which influence growth rate), leptin (which alters body composition), and parathyroid hormone, 1,25-dihydroxy-vitamin D, and calcitonin (all of which affect skeletal mineralization). However, the key hormone in growth is GH which is mediated by growth hormone-releasing hormone (GHRH) and somatostatin (SS). Growth hormone secretion is increased by GHRH and decreased by somatostatin. Both growth hormone levels and IGF-I (somatomedin-C) levels rise during puberty. The increase is most marked during mid and late puberty and correlates best with pubertal stage, bone age, and time from peak height velocity (PHV)."

please note: corticosteroids are not anabolic steroids .

Also, while teenagers do grow in size during puberty, that don't get jacked without lifting weights.


Also, just because a teacher says something doesn't mean it's always true. My Sunday school teacher taught me many things with which my science teacher disagrees.

[zillagod]

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[Juced_porkchop]

Sir i must disagree with you, while my diet was excellent (you may wanna try In Motion meals by the way) and my training was superb, I was familiar with the results that I would achieve from that alone. The HUmatrope did not make me ripped as hell in 2 weeks i misspoke, i start seeing and feeling little results. For insitance hands and feet tingling, better nights sleep, veins poppin out of everywhere, my immune system was alot better and also some pains i had been feeling in my back for months started to dissapate, I was doing 2 sometimes 2.2 ius a day of elli lilly humatrope, i dont know what it was but i had great reaction to it and would like to get it again, i would like to know if Omniptrope or norditropin are better buys? In purity, strength and results. I respect your opinion just dont think your or understanding everything im trying to say

water getting sucked into muscle maybe... but i agree with marcus, HGH results of fatloss/muscle is placebo in under a month, or maybe you miss understood with water retention shift. but even that is not all that likely to me much imo, with just 1.5iu ed, but i could see it possible.
was the HGH from pharma?

[powerlifterty16]

power, as i recall, you said you were working on your masters. well maybe you should change your masters program from basket weaving to maybe biochemistry? that way when you post all day, every day, you will not just be parroting info from other forum members that you believe to be fact. sorry if this may come off as rude, bc it was meant to be... getting tired of you parroting info from knowledgeable members; knowledge on which you tend to have no first hand experience. i appreciate your willingness to help others but still...... also i do not hate you, i liked your posts from the beginning, especially since we are both the same age and dealing with similar test issues, but sometimes everyone needs a reality check

i'm not parroting anyone. if anything im contradicting them. I had done a lot of research on trt for YEARS prior to joining this forum, and while II have learned even more from many members here, I already knew quite a lot before joining, and I also HAVE helped people. i get pms a lot from people who thank me for my posts.

I wont be rude back, because in the past you've been pretty nice to me.