can Clomid restarts work?

[PJS19]

Hi. I was hoping to get some input on clomid restarts. Any info from TRT people on if it can work. I was prescribed clomid today at 25 mg, monday- wednesday- friday, for 6 weeks.

Anyone ever do this? I took 10 days of a prohormone 7 months ago and it shut me down, I thought. But my doctor thinks I was already on the low side before and doesnt think that would cause such long lasting issues. I did clomid 50 mg everyday for a month in july, and it shot my levels way up, but everything crashed back down again, and blood work this week revealed total testosterone back in the 300s, and LH/FSH in the 1's. (3 months off clomid)

Also, I have read people dont seem to get symptomatic relief from clomid even though it works on paper. This is discouraging. I am only 23. Do I have any chance at this restart working? I told my doctor how it seems as if people dont get relief from clomid, and he said testosterone is testosterone so it should, and if it doesnt then my depression isnt because of the hormones.

Last time I did clomid I had no relief.

[jimmyinkedup]

There is some data that shows it can work for this prupose yes but I would think a scally type protocol which would consist of hcg followed by basically a clomid/tamox typr pct would be best. JMO ...

[kelkel]

^^^ that. Search up "Scally Power PCT Protocol" and you'll find it. That's assuming there are no other underlying medical issues that full BW may disclose.

[Juced_porkchop]

^^^ that. Search up "Scally Power PCT Protocol" and you'll find it. That's assuming there are no other underlying medical issues that full BW may disclose.

as much and an immature ass I think he is, he is right on some topics and his PCT views are decent for sure worth a try

[PJS19]

Thanks for the info. I just dont know how to get my hands on HCG ! Any chance I can have success with my doctors protocol or should I push for this.

[powerlifterty16]

I told my doctor how it seems as if people dont get relief from clomid, and he said testosterone is testosterone so it should, and if it doesnt then my depression isnt because of the hormones.

Last time I did clomid I had no relief.

this has always intrigued me.

[PJS19]

Me too powerlifterty. Doesnt make sense. Would be a lot easier for everyone if that was the case. Popping 3 pills a day would be a lot easier than injecting 2-4 times per week.

Today was the first day of clomid, I accidently took the whole pill because I was so anxious to start up (50mg). Already feel that weird eye blur that I got at the end of my last stint with clomid. Hopefully when I drop the dose down and go every other day next week, that will go away.

[Megalodon6]

Me too powerlifterty. Doesnt make sense. Would be a lot easier for everyone if that was the case. Popping 3 pills a day would be a lot easier than injecting 2-4 times per week.

Today was the first day of clomid, I accidently took the whole pill because I was so anxious to start up (50mg). Already feel that weird eye blur that I got at the end of my last stint with clomid. Hopefully when I drop the dose down and go every other day next week, that will go away.

Fvck that man I wouldn't touch the stuff if it was messing with my vision like that

[sparverius]

I told my doctor how it seems as if people dont get relief from clomid, and he said testosterone is testosterone so it should, and if it doesnt then my depression isnt because of the hormones.

That's wrong. Your doctor doesn't understand how Clomid works.

Clomid will raise your LH and FSH. But if you are primary hypogonadal it won't do much for you. Low T due to failing gonads would cause depression due to hormones.

Clomid will cause E to go up. You may need an AI.

[PJS19]

Im secondary not primary, I know I will respond while on clomid, just a matter if I will stay up once stopping

[sparverius]

Do you know why you are secondary?

[Megalodon6]

Im secondary not primary, I know I will respond while on clomid, just a matter if I will stay up once stopping

Haven't you attempted this a couple times?

[powerlifterty16]

Im secondary not primary, I know I will respond while on clomid, just a matter if I will stay up once stopping

how high did clomid get yah?

[Megalodon6]

how high did clomid get yah?

PW if he has attempted a clomid restart before and his numbers haven't stuck wouldn't the same thing happen again?

[PJS19]

Clomid got me to 1550 at 50 mg everyday for 4 weeks.

Megaldon, that was the one time I tried. Looking back I did it all wrong. Most restart protocols call for much lower dosages at a longer length of time. Im hoping the longer length and lower dose will make it more gradual. Going as high as 1550 probably put a lot of unwanted stress on my endocrine system, and abrubtly stopping a high dose isnt good for a restart. So Im hoping it works this time.

Im going to try.. 25mg MWF for 3 weeks. Then 12.5mg MWG for 6 weeks. Fingers crossed. Im not expecting symptom relief, except maybe my joints will feel better since it will raise e2 and T.

[Megalodon6]

Hope it works man. I feel your pain

Clomid got me to 1550 at 50 mg everyday for 4 weeks.

Megaldon, that was the one time I tried. Looking back I did it all wrong. Most restart protocols call for much lower dosages at a longer length of time. Im hoping the longer length and lower dose will make it more gradual. Going as high as 1550 probably put a lot of unwanted stress on my endocrine system, and abrubtly stopping a high dose isnt good for a restart. So Im hoping it works this time.

Im going to try.. 25mg MWF for 3 weeks. Then 12.5mg MWG for 6 weeks. Fingers crossed. Im not expecting symptom relief, except maybe my joints will feel better since it will raise e2 and T.

[powerlifterty16]

PW if he has attempted a clomid restart before and his numbers haven't stuck wouldn't the same thing happen again?

most likely, although maybe his body needs an extra boost. idk..but either way he still feels bad so who cares

1550 is crazy on clomid. i only got up to 631, but i ran 25 mg per day(did it for 7 days)

[PJS19]

Just an update and a question on my restart progress.

I am 2 weeks in on 25mg eod. Blood work in 3 more weeks. I havent felt any better, joints still weak and achy, depression still brutal, libido non existant. Not surprised since its only been 2 weeks. If this restart doesnt work I will probably just seek out TRT, even though Im only 23. I cant live like this.

Blood work right before starting the restart had

TT at 390 (350-1200).
SHBG at 48 (10-90)
Estradiol 22 (10-42) REGULAR test, so its probably not accurate.
LH/FSH below 2.

My question is, how long does a good clomid restart run for? 2-3 months? and do you ween off of it? Just trying to be prepared for when I see my doctor.

[dhickey]

Just get the BW and see what's going on. I see a lot of guys give up on restarts without any decent BW. They blame sides on the Clomid without every checking or addressing E2. Your SHBG is high, so your free T is probably in the toilet at current total T levels.

You could also stay on it for a very long time. My suggestion would be to take just enough to get free T in the 20s. Try to get E2 in the 20s as well. Run this for a few months, then see if you can come off. If not, go back on and stay on.

[dreadnok89]

Just get the BW and see what's going on. I see a lot of guys give up on restarts without any decent BW. They blame sides on the Clomid without every checking or addressing E2. Your SHBG is high, so your free T is probably in the toilet at current total T levels.

You could also stay on it for a very long time. My suggestion would be to take just enough to get free T in the 20s. Try to get E2 in the 20s as well. Run this for a few months, then see if you can come off. If not, go back on and stay on.

I don't think chlomid gets your free t up

[jomamma007]

Clomid pushed my t levels above 1000, but I always feel like crap on it as well. Blurry vision, anxiety, bad depression,, hate the stuff. After 8 weeks on it my levels eventually came back down to where they were pre-trt after another month. Good luck tho bud!

My doctor said that I didn't run it long enough and that I should have taken it for 6 months to attempt a full recovery. Don't know how valid that statement is.

[PJS19]

Thanks for sharing this. I already have the worst depression you could have so Its hard for me to really judge any mental improvements since I cant "feel" anything. So its not like I can say "oh well my moods a bit better or my well beings better because I dont have a mood at all.

I am trying to gauge it more on physical symptoms. I.e joints, morning erections, strength etc. I hope this works, I am going to stick with it for 3 months, see where Im at. I dont really expect to feel better on clomid, but my hope is that if the restart works, Ill start to see improvements once Im off it and running naturally. Of course, theres a great chance my levels will drop back down to the 300's after stopping, but we will see.

Clomid pushed my t levels above 1000, but I always feel like crap on it as well. Blurry vision, anxiety, bad depression,, hate the stuff. After 8 weeks on it my levels eventually came back down to where they were pre-trt after another month. Good luck tho bud!

My doctor said that I didn't run it long enough and that I should have taken it for 6 months to attempt a full recovery. Don't know how valid that statement is.

[jimmyinkedup]

Clomid pushed my t levels above 1000, but I always feel like crap on it as well. Blurry vision, anxiety, bad depression,, hate the stuff. After 8 weeks on it my levels eventually came back down to where they were pre-trt after another month. Good luck tho bud!

My doctor said that I didn't run it long enough and that I should have taken it for 6 months to attempt a full recovery. Don't know how valid that statement is.

Well I can say this. Most of Tan and Scally's published work and case studies ran 6 months...so he has a pretty solid reason for saying that.

[Megalodon6]

Have you and your doc talked about adding hcg ?

[PJS19]

Megaladon, I have not, that would surpress me more I think, and my testicles work fine so clomid will be enough. This is just for a restart if this doesnt work Ill maybe try HCG mono therapy? How have you been by the way

[Megalodon6]

Good man still feel like poop just like yourself lol

[dhickey]

why wouldn't it? If it raises total T, free T should follow. Unless it raises SHBG significantly.

[dhickey]

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[dhickey]

Clomid pushed my t levels above 1000, but I always feel like crap on it as well. Blurry vision, anxiety, bad depression,, hate the stuff. After 8 weeks on it my levels eventually came back down to where they were pre-trt after another month. Good luck tho bud!

My doctor said that I didn't run it long enough and that I should have taken it for 6 months to attempt a full recovery. Don't know how valid that statement is.

Did you check E2 levels?

[jomamma007]

Well as far as Scallys Restart is concenered

Day 1-16 : 2500iu HCG every other day.
Day 1-30 : Nolva 20mg/day; Clomid 100mg/day (50mg was taken twice per day)
Day 31-45 : Nolva 20mg/day

that seems like an excessive amount of hcg.
Input??

A very knowledagable user on ology used this restart to recover after 2 years on trt, as wel as helping others recoverying as well. Hoping this might help us youngin's here

EXCEPT he took letro throughout M/Th 1.25mgs. Later he edited

From executing the plan, there is one minor change I'd recommend based on my expereience - increase the letro dosage to 1.25 mg EOD as opposed to M/Th. My estrogen elevated to over 40 during my HCG phase. While not terribly high, this did create some negative feedback and ultimately kept my natural test production lower. Blood works throughout the processes supported this idea and once I actually increase my letro my natural test did actually continue to increase.

3) Because of #2, I extended my taper down of Letro to avoid any type of estrogen rebound. I actually add 4 additional weeks to my taper of letro at the end of the exit.

Hoping some knowledgeable members can comment on a restart like this to help out the OP and others attempting a restart.

[dreadnok89]

why wouldn't it? If it raises total T, free T should follow. Unless it raises SHBG significantly.

Free t is trickier than that. I had 200 total t and raised to 900 total t and the free t stayed at 1, on a scale from 1 to 25. Estrogen binds it up a lot too

[jomamma007]

Free t is trickier than that. I had 200 total t and raised to 900 total t and the free t stayed at 1, on a scale from 1 to 25. Estrogen binds it up a lot too

I think this is why an ai is recommended during a restart as well...

[dhickey]

Free t is trickier than that. I had 200 total t and raised to 900 total t and the free t stayed at 1, on a scale from 1 to 25. Estrogen binds it up a lot too

I'm far from and expert, but that makes no sense to me. T can convert to E, but that would show up in total and free t numbers. I don't see how free t numbers could be the same with total T and 900 and 200. You'd have to show a really big jump in SHBG. Huge jump.

At any rate, E2 should be addressed which should also lower SHBG and raise free T. See of lot of people writing off clomid when they never attempted to test for or address E2 issues.

[jomamma007]

You suggesting using an ai while on clomid?

[dhickey]

You suggesting using an ai while on clomid?

If e2 is high, absolutely.

[PJS19]

Guys, is 4 weeks on 25 mg EOD too soon to get blood work? Im in my third week. Earlier this week my joints felt a lot better, I felt a lot stronger, and my libido was a little better, but that all went away. Maybe because SHBG rising? I dont know. It hasnt touched my depression, so that might not be a hormonal issue.

I have blood work scheduled at 6 weeks out but I want to see where things are now. I also kind of want to throw in tamoxifin, I have a liquid bottle, but that might not be smart. Ideas?

[jimmyinkedup]

Id personally get bloodwork at 6 weeks in to see where things stand ....

[Charlie6]

I will also be keeping an eye on this thread, as I am 25 yrs old and have been on trt for two years and will be trying a restart at the end of Dec when I see my endo for the first time. Good luck to everyone!

[dreadnok89]

I'm far from and expert, but that makes no sense to me. T can convert to E, but that would show up in total and free t numbers. I don't see how free t numbers could be the same with total T a d 900 and 200. You'd have to show a really big jump in SHBG. Huge jump.

At any rate, E2 should be addressed which should also lower SHBG and raise free T. See of lot of people writing off clomid when they never attempted to test for or address E2 issues.

Lol I'm no expert but that doesn't make sense to me! Total T and free T are totally different. Why would they have a free T category if all you had to do was raise your T? I'm telling you man since taking vitamin D and exestamane my shbg went down and I don't convert my T to much E.

Before that free t was always in the tank. No matter how high I was

[KOArtist]

I don't have any "baseline" numbers to compare, but after being mostly on (and usually way more than "TRT doses") for about 3 years, I came off in July and ran a PCT of hcg , clomid, toremifene, and exemestane. Got tested last week and total test was over 800, and I'm almost 40. Like I said though, no pre-cycle numbers to compare with...and I am also still running light clomid EOD and exemestane every 3-4 days, which may have boosted numbers.

Overall though, I expected much worse.