Screwed up my TRT protocol…now my Dr. is punishing me!

**Rusty11** · 12-04-2013, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Beethoven

Good move zerdarkthirty. You know I've said this a thousand times but us males are always thought to be abusing to simply get big, but a female wants to be a male and vioala, here's your bottle of test. Many just don't understand low t, until they need it. To the public at large, we are all "juicers" and "cheaters". Besides, to show that drs ignorance, even though YOU did screw it up, you were WELL short of anything that could be construed as "cycling".

I don't think it has to do with juicing, per say. If I go through a bottle of oxy or vicodin before my refill is due(l don't take either. Just an example), I'm outta luck. Drs. have strict rules to follow. They've heard every story in the book.

**Beethoven** · 12-04-2013, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Rusty11

I don't think it has to do with juicing, per say. If I go through a bottle of oxy or vicodin before my refill is due(l don't take either. Just an example), I'm outta luck. Drs. have strict rules to follow. They've heard every story in the book.

Yes but we're talking about apples and oranges when it comes to meds like that. But that being said, what Kel said is very true. It's nice to have some for a rainy day.

**Rusty11** · 12-04-2013, 08:07 PM

I understand what you're saying and pretty much agree. I guess my point was that most docs make you wait if you run out of any med before a refill is due.

**kelkel** · 12-04-2013, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Beethoven

Yes but we're talking about apples and oranges when it comes to meds like that. But that being said, what Kel said is very true. It's nice to have some for a rainy day.

From day one I told my doc I do not want to be micromanaged by pharmacies. He writes me slightly more than I need for everything. It really makes life easy that way and we have a great relationship. I have his cell and email and there's never an issue talking to him. Hell, he even calls every now and then for opinions on how to help some of his patients who have seriously abused aas and has me instill some common sense into them. More than willing to help my doc as he's helped me so much.

**Rusty11** · 12-04-2013, 10:25 PM

Kel, amazing. How great (and rare) to have a pt/dr relationship like this. Sign me up, please

**David LoPan** · 12-05-2013, 05:38 PM

IMO you might want to be careful. They have the Prescription Monitoring Program (PMP) now going in most all states. This system is designed to deter the abuse of prescription drugs, the statute requires all dispensers of Schedule II, III, IV, and V controlled substances to submit prescription dispensing information to "big brother" with a stated goal "to reduce prescription fraud, substance abuse, "doctor shopping", and other illegal activity related to pharmaceutical drug diversion". I have noticed that ALL doctors I work with now look up pts on this system for any RX medication written up to 3 years before writing anything. I do know there was a local doctors office that got in trouble for writing to many RX TRT scripts and hormones, after a 6 month investigation there was nothing wrong what what that office was doing.

**Low Testosterone** · 12-05-2013, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by BigTahl

IMO you might want to be careful. They have the Prescription Monitoring Program (PMP) now going in most all states. This system is designed to deter the abuse of prescription drugs, the statute requires all dispensers of Schedule II, III, IV, and V controlled substances to submit prescription dispensing information to "big brother" with a stated goal "to reduce prescription fraud, substance abuse, "doctor shopping", and other illegal activity related to pharmaceutical drug diversion". I have noticed that ALL doctors I work with now look up pts on this system for any RX medication written up to 3 years before writing anything. I do know there was a local doctors office that got in trouble for writing to many RX TRT scripts and hormones, after a 6 month investigation there was nothing wrong what what that office was doing.

You are 100% correct but that system is not fully operational yet but it will be before too long. When that is the case, what the OP did wouldn't be possible and could potentially bring about a bit of trouble to the individual. But this is something most don't want to believe, just like most don't want to believe that their insurance soon will NOT cover TRT.

**Beethoven** · 12-05-2013, 06:26 PM

The OP's Doc could have adjusted the dosage a bit to cover it. It happens all the time with other meds, even with trt as dosages may change dependent on the patient. When my bp went up due to high hematocrit levels, my then doc simply wrote a new script for a higher dose, just as my dose has been lowered when it needs to be. It's not like he was cycling.

**Beethoven** · 12-05-2013, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

From day one I told my doc I do not want to be micromanaged by pharmacies. He writes me slightly more than I need for everything. It really makes life easy that way and we have a great relationship. I have his cell and email and there's never an issue talking to him. Hell, he even calls every now and then for opinions on how to help some of his patients who have seriously abused aas and has me instill some common sense into them. More than willing to help my doc as he's helped me so much.

I have a good relationship thus far with mine. That's something that is so important in this.

**David LoPan** · 12-05-2013, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Low Testosterone

You are 100% correct but that system is not fully operational yet but it will be before too long. When that is the case, what the OP did wouldn't be possible and could potentially bring about a bit of trouble to the individual. But this is something most don't want to believe, just like most don't want to believe that their insurance soon will NOT cover TRT.

My insurance did cover my TRT but with only the small little bottles that I had to get refilled every two weeks and the co-pay was just not worth it, so I have always covered 100% well the RX part of it. I do keep track of all of my families medical bills and if your out of pocket costs for medical was 7.5 of your adjusted gross income you can write it off. With these new health care law who knows what will happen other that it will cost more for medical care and Rx's, IMHO.

**GeriatricOne** · 12-05-2013, 11:23 PM

You'll be fine going 3 weeks without. I went 2 months recently. Don't get worked up about "crashing." Some of your pre-trt symptoms will likely "eb" back in slowly, but they will recede once you start up again. Taking a holiday from the drugs periodically is okay. No worries...