Screwed up my TRT protocol…now my Dr. is punishing me!

[zerodarkthirty]

I have been on TRT for nearly a year. I've been on shots for about 8 months. I self-inject 100 mg every 5 days. For some reason, I injected this last bottle every 4 days. It was completely accidental on my part. I have no desire for a blast, and if I've learned anything, less is often more on TRT. As a result of my over-dosing, I came up short and went to my doctor today to explain to her what happened. I assumed she would allow me to fill my Rx early, but NO. She is now making me go nearly 3 weeks without any test.

Isn't this bad medicine??

Should I try to get another doctor? If I do, won't I be seen as doctor shopping?

How rough is the next 3 weeks going to be? I still have my HCG , so perhaps that will help?

What a nightmare. It was my oversight that got me into this dilemma, but I don't think it's right that my dr. is punishing me for it. I know it's a controlled substance and that many people abuse it, but c'mon -- I've had multiple refills and never run out before. Ugh. I'm not trying to be tricky here.

[Machdiesel]

IMO its a grey area. Testosterone is definitely one of those scripts I would imagine peopel abuse a lot. I am sure docs who regularly prescribe TRT hear tons of patients say I dropped my bottle, lost it, etc. Then the guy comes in 10lbs heavier with less BF and the dr thinks wtf. I think as a first time you should get the benefit of the doubt and the dr lets you know she can't over prescribe so next time your on your own. Shit happens and the dr should be aware of that. Luckily it's only 3 weeks, def sucks but not horrible

[CobraMustangSVT]

Yeah, I noticed that alot of the docs around here are a little paranoid about testosterone , especially when they let you self inject it. I guess they're trying to protect their licenses. They're probably under alot of scrutiny.

Can you ask her to give you a shot in the office for the next 3 weeks until she can give you a refill on your prescription?

About doctor shopping, when my primary doc would only give me Androgel , I went to another doc who did injections. During our initial meeting, the nurse came into the office with a sheet and it showed that I recently filled a prescription for testosterone just a few weeks before. It was some controlled substance sheet that showed what controlled substances I was prescribed, when and who gave it.

The doc was cool about it. He asked me and I told him that I was not interested in doing TRT with my primary and wanted to go with him. He still gave me the script and told me that I could run out the Androgel and start the shots or I can start the shots and throw out the Androgel.

I saved the 2 months of Androgel just in case something happens.

[zerodarkthirty]

I asked about the shot and she indicated that they do not do any in the office. Seems odd, but whatever.

[bass]

how often has this happened? If its first time I don't see why she would make you suffer! who said you can't shop for doctors, you need to find a doctor that has your best interest. find a new one if you have to.

[zerodarkthirty]

Bass, I've never had this happen. I reminded her of that fact. She indicated that test is often abused, and I said well, it's not happening with me. The stupid thing is that I have an open (i.e. ready to fill) script from her at another pharmacy. However, I don't want to be shady and trip some audit or something. I know I should stop whining. It was my fault for f*ing up the dose….not hers.

[dreadnok89]

Dude, at least 200 is still trt! First tune I did shots I was doing 250 every 3 days like a dummy. Then I wonder why I feel only "OK" at normal haha.

[bass]

Bass, I've never had this happen. I reminded her of that fact. She indicated that test is often abused, and I said well, it's not happening with me. The stupid thing is that I have an open (i.e. ready to fill) script from her at another pharmacy. However, I don't want to be shady and trip some audit or something. I know I should stop whining. It was my fault for f*ing up the dose….not hers.

her primary responsibility is to make sure you don't crash, Its not her job to be the police, judge and the executor. its your health, and if that was my doc I would run and look for another one that cares about my health, not to be my nanny.

[APIs]

Never let a Woman Doctor manage your TRT. She's bitch-slapping you for not listening & basically castrating you in the process. Severe control issues & a nut-job IMO. The fact that she would let you crash for 3 weeks is grossly irresponsible to say the least. She'd be better off dismissing you as a patient for not following directions in the use of a controlled substance instead of playing games like this.

OP should be on every 4 day injections anyway, as serum levels start to decline fast @ 5 days. The protocol she has you on is skewed from the get-go.

Find a Male TRT specialist & then drop this psycho...

[bass]

Never let a Woman Doctor manage your TRT. She's bitch-slapping you for not listening & basically castrating you in the process. Severe control issues & a nut-job IMO. The fact that she would let you crash for 3 weeks is grossly irresponsible to say the least. She'd be better off dismissing you as a patient for not following directions in the use of a controlled substance instead of playing games like this.

OP should be on every 4 day injections anyway, as serum levels start to decline fast @ 5 days. The protocol she has you on is skewed from the get-go.

Find a Male TRT specialist & then drop this psycho...

LOL, my doc is female and she is awesome! I know I am lucky

[APIs]

LOL, my doc is female and she is awesome! I know I am lucky

LOL, I thought of you too Bass while I was writing this! You'd have to admit though, you are the exception to what we hear on here regarding Female TRT Docs typically failing their patients...

[dreadnok89]

Yea API, I agree with you man. I had one call me a juice head. I said thx for the compliment and left

[zerodarkthirty]

Again, I feel like a goon for f*ing this thing up in the first place. But the more I think about my dr.'s attitude of "just deal with it, hero", the more I get ticked. I've got a call into another doc for an appt tomorrow. The process of looking for a new doc makes me want to hurl.

[bass]

Zero, just curious, are you fairly built and does it show?

[zerodarkthirty]

I'm 6'2, 190 with a runner's body and I lift 3-4 times a week. I'm no hulk, but I'm not scrawny.

[bass]

was just wondering if your appearance had anything to do with her decision. probably not the case.

[zerodarkthirty]

Nah, she just wants to cover her as$ and send a signal (mostly the latter). The thing that gets me is that I told her why I ran out: I had mistakenly made my calendar reminders for 4 days instead of 5. This was not the case of someone trying to deny over-use…I was very clear that it was a bonehead mistake and I even apologized.

[Low Testosterone]

how often has this happened? If its first time I don't see why she would make you suffer! who said you can't shop for doctors, you need to find a doctor that has your best interest. find a new one if you have to.

Some physicians will give you the benefit of the doubt if you're say a few weeks early on a 20wk RX. But as was mentioned above, it's very common for people to abuse this system or at least attempt to.

In the very near future, shopping around and getting RX's from multiple doctors for testosterone will not be possible as there will be a national data base that tracks all testosterone and Schedule III substances. Meaning, if you have an existing RX from one doctor and then go to another doctor while your current RX is still active, meaning you're not due, no pharmacy will fill a new RX from any doctor.

We deal with people every single day who state the "it's my body" claim and you know what? That's absolutely true. But that has nothing to do with the law and no doctor is going to risk their license or worse because it's "your body." Are the rules too strict? In my opinion yes, but the way a lot of guys handle their TRT and the way they carry themselves in such a demanding fashion does not help anything.

[Low Testosterone]

LOL, my doc is female and she is awesome! I know I am lucky

TRT is not difficult medicine. It's probably one of the simplest, easiest forms of medicine to ever exist. It shouldn't matter if the doctor is a man or woman. I can think of plenty of terrible male doctors that practice TRT and just as many bad female ones. The sex shouldn't make a bit of difference.

[bass]

TRT is not difficult medicine. It's probably one of the simplest, easiest forms of medicine to ever exist. It shouldn't matter if the doctor is a man or woman. I can think of plenty of terrible male doctors that practice TRT and just as many bad female ones. The sex shouldn't make a bit of difference.

I agree, but I think API was referring more to ego than a gender. I agree with your post #18, I was not referring to the scenario you mentioned, but more like if you're not satisfied with the results from your current doc simply find another one.

[Low Testosterone]

I agree, but I think API was referring more to ego than a gender. I agree with your post #18, I was not referring to the scenario you mentioned, but more like if you're not satisfied with the results from your current doc simply find another one.

Agreed. I do think some people are a little impatient and hurt themselves by being that way. A lot of people expect TRT to be life changing overnight and as you know, it just doesn't work that way. But, there are bad physicians and sometimes there are bad patients. It works both ways.

[zerodarkthirty]

All of these points are well-taken. I understand and appreciate the liability aspect. However, this particular doctor has not been good from day 1. After nearly a year of giving her a fair shot, it's time to move on. I still can't get over the "just wait 3 weeks" mentality. It's akin to telling a diabetic, "ok you ate too much cake last week, but no meds for you for 3 weeks. Stay away from cake and good luck!" There's no reason she couldn't have administered a shot in the interim.

[Ryanmcd]

3 weeks is nothing, also after "Over 8 months" you ran out to the LAST DROP every time? I know very few docs who count it to the last ML.

[Ryanmcd]

All of these points are well-taken. I understand and appreciate the liability aspect. However, this particular doctor has not been good from day 1. After nearly a year of giving her a fair shot, it's time to move on. I still can't get over the "just wait 3 weeks" mentality. It's akin to telling a diabetic, "ok you ate too much cake last week, but no meds for you for 3 weeks. Stay away from cake and good luck!" There's no reason she couldn't have administered a shot in the interim.

I would deal with it or keep that doc while looking for a new one, from what I read it's a real PIA to get a new doc so I would not jump around too often, again the mistake is YOU not the doc no matter if it's a screw up or not.

[APIs]

I agree, but I think API was referring more to ego than a gender. I agree with your post #18, I was not referring to the scenario you mentioned, but more like if you're not satisfied with the results from your current doc simply find another one.

Has nothing to do with ego Bass. Also, IMO bad medicine no matter how you slice it does not deserve PC professional courtesy either. 3 weeks without treatment? Come on, that's just plain irresponsible behavior no matter how you try & paint the picture whether Male or Female.

This forum (except in your case) has demonstrated that you can't fill the digits on your right hand counting the number of capable Female TRT Docs out there. Just the way it is. Could that change? It most likely will, but I'm just not convinced that a Female Doc can understand & relate to this ailment in the same way a Man can. No harm or foul intended, it's just what I have seen on this forum...

[dreadnok89]

Has nothing to do with ego Bass. Also, IMO bad medicine no matter how you slice it does not deserve PC professional courtesy either. 3 weeks without treatment? Come on, that's just plain irresponsible behavior no matter how you try & paint the picture whether Male or Female.

This forum (except in your case) has demonstrated that you can't fill the digits on your right hand counting the number of capable Female TRT Docs out there. Just the way it is. Could that change? It most likely will, but I'm just not convinced that a Female Doc can understand & relate to this ailment in the same way a Man can. No harm or foul intended, it's just what I have seen on this forum...

This 100 percent.

[Low Testosterone]

Has nothing to do with ego Bass. Also, IMO bad medicine no matter how you slice it does not deserve PC professional courtesy either. 3 weeks without treatment? Come on, that's just plain irresponsible behavior no matter how you try & paint the picture whether Male or Female.

This forum (except in your case) has demonstrated that you can't fill the digits on your right hand counting the number of capable Female TRT Docs out there. Just the way it is. Could that change? It most likely will, but I'm just not convinced that a Female Doc can understand & relate to this ailment in the same way a Man can. No harm or foul intended, it's just what I have seen on this forum...

I'm not asking this in a condescending way. What is it that a female physician needs to relate to? What is it about male TRT that's so complicated that a female could never understand, especially when it is perhaps the single most basic form of medicine known to man?

As far as 3wks with no testosterone , will you get a little tired and worn out? Sure. Will it be the end of the world or detrimental to your health in any way? Absolutely not and to imply so is a bit over the top.

[Machdiesel]

Has nothing to do with ego Bass. Also, IMO bad medicine no matter how you slice it does not deserve PC professional courtesy either. 3 weeks without treatment? Come on, that's just plain irresponsible behavior no matter how you try & paint the picture whether Male or Female.

This forum (except in your case) has demonstrated that you can't fill the digits on your right hand counting the number of capable Female TRT Docs out there. Just the way it is. Could that change? It most likely will, but I'm just not convinced that a Female Doc can understand & relate to this ailment in the same way a Man can. No harm or foul intended, it's just what I have seen on this forum...

I don't think it has anything to do with relating. And even if it did a women can certainly relate, especially if she's been through menapause. Symptoms of low T are documented and understood. Symptoms of high/low estrogen the same. It's a balancing act between drug dosages/frequency , bloodwork and patient feedback. It's actually pretty black and white. I agree some doctors have pure conceived notions about TRT but again, it goes back to being a good DR. And taking in to account what I posted above. Also a male with normal test levels can t relate either, if they have energy and feel good they have no idea what low T feels like, and may be even quicker to dismiss it.

[bass]

Has nothing to do with ego Bass. Also, IMO bad medicine no matter how you slice it does not deserve PC professional courtesy either. 3 weeks without treatment? Come on, that's just plain irresponsible behavior no matter how you try & paint the picture whether Male or Female.

This forum (except in your case) has demonstrated that you can't fill the digits on your right hand counting the number of capable Female TRT Docs out there. Just the way it is. Could that change? It most likely will, but I'm just not convinced that a Female Doc can understand & relate to this ailment in the same way a Man can. No harm or foul intended, it's just what I have seen on this forum...

i get your point. my doc went through hell and had to remover her womb, then she experienced the hormone imbalance rollercoaster, that's when she decided to learn about balancing hormone and came to a full understanding of it. would her views and treatment for her patients be the same if she didn't go through it herself?! and the same applied to a male doctor. no one knows really.

[dreadnok89]

I'm not asking this in a condescending way. What is it that a female physician needs to relate to? What is it about male TRT that's so complicated that a female could never understand, especially when it is perhaps the single most basic form of medicine known to man?

As far as 3wks with no testosterone, will you get a little tired and worn out? Sure. Will it be the end of the world or detrimental to your health in any way? Absolutely not and to imply so is a bit over the top.

5out of 5 were awful. And demasculating. At least I found 2 descent guys out of 8!

[Low Testosterone]

5out of 5 were awful. And demasculating. At least I found 2 descent guys out of 8!

So you basically found an equal amount of bad male and female doctors. Then you happened to find a good one. I think you're supporting my point without realizing it. Or I could be misreading your post. Either way, there are just as many good and bad ones on both sides of the gender line.

[kelkel]

I'm not asking this in a condescending way. What is it that a female physician needs to relate to? What is it about male TRT that's so complicated that a female could never understand, especially when it is perhaps the single most basic form of medicine known to man?

As far as 3wks with no testosterone, will you get a little tired and worn out? Sure. Will it be the end of the world or detrimental to your health in any way? Absolutely not and to imply so is a bit over the top.

To play devils advocate to the statement in bold. Then why are there so many docs of either gender that do not grasp the concept of hormone replacement? Or even the concept of a half-life which is constantly an issue. I know you understand it as do many here, but it still seems that so many do not. So, either they don't apply themselves or further educate themselves on the topic. To the best of my knowledge the topic of hormones (replacement, etc) is barely covered in med school. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Low Testosterone]

To play devils advocate to the statement in bold. Then why are there so many docs of either gender that do not grasp the concept of hormone replacement? Or even the concept of a half-life which is constantly an issue. I know you understand it as do many here, but it still seems that so many do not. So, either they don't apply themselves or further educate themselves on the topic. To the best of my knowledge the topic of hormones (replacement, etc) is barely covered in med school. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

If you don't take the time to learn, then sure it's complicated. But once you do take the time, it's pretty simple medicine. That was my only point. Look at it this way, plenty of guys here and other places have a pretty good understanding of TRT and could probably treat a patient just as well as a great TRT physician. They're not doctors of any type but they understand it because it's very simple and they took the time. But if you created a neurosurgery message board it's unlikely too many if any guys would figure it out like they do TRT because it is far more complicated.

Although simple medicine, you do still have to take the time to learn. You also have to take the time or be willing to accept that things change. For example, almost daily we see threads here where guys talk about going to an endo and how horrible the doctor was despite being a hormone doctor. Why? Because those doctors haven't taken the time. Anything they've learned is the same thing that was taught about hormones in the 70's and 80's and endos are stuck in that and most will not budge. That's why they're normally the worst TRT physicians on earth. I think it's more of an ego thing than anything else. Other physicians, you have a better chance of finding one that's taken the time after medical school, because you're right, modern TRT is not covered in medical school, not in the U.S.

[kelkel]

If you don't take the time to learn, then sure it's complicated. But once you do take the time, it's pretty simple medicine. That was my only point. Look at it this way, plenty of guys here and other places have a pretty good understanding of TRT and could probably treat a patient just as well as a great TRT physician. They're not doctors of any type but they understand it because it's very simple and they took the time. But if you created a neurosurgery message board it's unlikely too many if any guys would figure it out like they do TRT because it is far more complicated.

Although simple medicine, you do still have to take the time to learn. You also have to take the time or be willing to accept that things change. For example, almost daily we see threads here where guys talk about going to an endo and how horrible the doctor was despite being a hormone doctor. Why? Because those doctors haven't taken the time. Anything they've learned is the same thing that was taught about hormones in the 70's and 80's and endos are stuck in that and most will not budge. That's why they're normally the worst TRT physicians on earth. I think it's more of an ego thing than anything else. Other physicians, you have a better chance of finding one that's taken the time after medical school, because you're right, modern TRT is not covered in medical school, not in the U.S.

Great answer. Thanks LT!

[zerodarkthirty]

Well, after all of that debacle I went to see my family doc (not my old TRT doc) and got a new script for 10 ml bottle of Watson. That'll buy me a few months until I can find another TRT doctor.

[bass]

nice! you did the right thing.

[zerodarkthirty]

I won't make that mistake again. Lesson learned.

[Beethoven]

Good move zerdarkthirty. You know I've said this a thousand times but us males are always thought to be abusing to simply get big, but a female wants to be a male and vioala, here's your bottle of test. Many just don't understand low t, until they need it. To the public at large, we are all "juicers" and "cheaters". Besides, to show that drs ignorance, even though YOU did screw it up, you were WELL short of anything that could be construed as "cycling".

[kelkel]

I won't make that mistake again. Lesson learned.

Always good to have a little stocked away as well.

[Machdiesel]

Well, after all of that debacle I went to see my family doc (not my old TRT doc) and got a new script for 10 ml bottle of Watson. That'll buy me a few months until I can find another TRT doctor.

Did your doc say he would take over your script from now on