Old guy - libido enhancement

[Horsemnn]

Hello Everybody:

Mine is a sexual issue.

I am writing here because I am getting on in years, have a young wife, and we really enjoy our time in the sack together - things do not work as well as when I was younger. I am almost 70 (four more months) and my wife is 38. I have no access to a physician who can help me with these issues. I am living in a third world country because we can get dialysis treatments for my wife for a price that I can pay. When I talk to doc's about this they just say "HUH?" In fact, when I talked to doc's about this at my home in USA I got a similar response.

69 years 8 months
165 lbs
Physique good, I mean good for even a 20 year old.
Exercise daily, hardly ever miss. Fast walk 8 miles. 65 pushups, 8 pullups, 30 squats (no weight), planks. That is every day (or almost every day, miss very few days)

Currently taking hrt which I buy from a company in China which seems to have been doing me a good job. At any rate, I trust them.

Approx. 200 mg - 250 mg mesterolone (proviron , right?) daily by mouth. Hard to measure it exactly because I take it in powder form.
Approx 100 mg sildenafil daily (also powder) (used to take much less, but as I get older - well, you know, it just takes more.
almost one gram of test cyp weekly. Bought the powder and dissolved it in sunflower oil. It freezes up at room temp, but I reheat it and then inject it.
.05 mg levothyroxine daily
500 u hgh daily (tried 200 first but no effect. Now 500 and it is working. I am pretty sure it is real because it takes a while to dissolve and it I would take 1000 u at one time then my hands and wrists tingle)

I began very low doses of each of these and increased the doses according to effect.

I have always been athletic, but since age has crept up it is harder to get the same effect from the exercise. Best way to describe my physique is a good military physique. Right now I am just on the verge of looking like an amateur body builder on steroids .

BUT, I am taking a lot of test cyp and it is making me look more like a body builder. Not a bad thing, but I do not want to bulk up any more. You know there is a guy named I think Dr. Life (I think Arizona)who advertises anti aging therapy by using test and hgh. I do not look as good as he does, but I am getting closer by the day.

I am quite satisfied with how I look and my wife even gets jealous of some younger women giving me the eye. No problem about that because I really love boinking my wife and can not imagine it being nearly as good with anybody else.

If this stuff damages me in the long run I can accept that because I am happy with how things are right now.

A few concerns though:

1) I really do not want to bulk up any more. I am quite satisfied with how I look. Makes me wonder if there is anything more androgenic and less anabolic . 1 g of test per week seems like a lot, but that is what it takes to be ready at the drop of a hat (or panty as is the case).
2) When boinking my wife I do not always climax anymore. Sure would like to solve that. But it is not the end of the world because if no climax then we can go for more than an hour and it is great. All the same a solution would be greatly appreciated.
3) Not much testicular shrinkage, but at my age they probably are shrunk up as much as they can be. I have ordered hcg and we'll see what happens. Might even let me drop my dosage of test.
4) I suspect I will be doing this program or something not very different for the rest of my life and I would really like to go on as long as possible, so I need to get it right.
5) I am not cycling. My intention is to go on like this because if I stop for my boys to recover then what would they recover to? They would go back to being 70 year old testes which just will not get the job done. No point in taking the sildenafil and getting hard and then not feeling like it anyway.

I am here on the anti-aging forum because I thought this would be the place to go. Any more 70 year old and up guys out there with similar problems? I will be happy to hear from anybody who might be able to help.

[2Sox]

Hello Everybody:

Mine is a sexual issue.

I am writing here because I am getting on in years, have a young wife, and we really enjoy our time in the sack together - things do not work as well as when I was younger. I am almost 70 (four more months) and my wife is 38. I have no access to a physician who can help me with these issues. I am living in a third world country because we can get dialysis treatments for my wife for a price that I can pay. When I talk to doc's about this they just say "HUH?" In fact, when I talked to doc's about this at my home in USA I got a similar response.

69 years 8 months
165 lbs
Physique good, I mean good for even a 20 year old.
Exercise daily, hardly ever miss. Fast walk 8 miles. 65 pushups, 8 pullups, 30 squats (no weight), planks. That is every day (or almost every day, miss very few days)

Currently taking hrt which I buy from a company in China which seems to have been doing me a good job. At any rate, I trust them.

Approx. 200 mg - 250 mg mesterolone (proviron , right?) daily by mouth. Hard to measure it exactly because I take it in powder form.
Approx 100 mg sildenafil daily (also powder) (used to take much less, but as I get older - well, you know, it just takes more.
almost one gram of test cyp weekly. Bought the powder and dissolved it in sunflower oil. It freezes up at room temp, but I reheat it and then inject it.
.05 mg levothyroxine daily
500 u hgh daily (tried 200 first but no effect. Now 500 and it is working. I am pretty sure it is real because it takes a while to dissolve and it I would take 1000 u at one time then my hands and wrists tingle)

I began very low doses of each of these and increased the doses according to effect.

I have always been athletic, but since age has crept up it is harder to get the same effect from the exercise. Best way to describe my physique is a good military physique. Right now I am just on the verge of looking like an amateur body builder on steroids .

BUT, I am taking a lot of test cyp and it is making me look more like a body builder. Not a bad thing, but I do not want to bulk up any more. You know there is a guy named I think Dr. Life (I think Arizona)who advertises anti aging therapy by using test and hgh. I do not look as good as he does, but I am getting closer by the day.

I am quite satisfied with how I look and my wife even gets jealous of some younger women giving me the eye. No problem about that because I really love boinking my wife and can not imagine it being nearly as good with anybody else.

If this stuff damages me in the long run I can accept that because I am happy with how things are right now.

A few concerns though:

1) I really do not want to bulk up any more. I am quite satisfied with how I look. Makes me wonder if there is anything more androgenic and less anabolic . 1 g of test per week seems like a lot, but that is what it takes to be ready at the drop of a hat (or panty as is the case).
2) When boinking my wife I do not always climax anymore. Sure would like to solve that. But it is not the end of the world because if no climax then we can go for more than an hour and it is great. All the same a solution would be greatly appreciated.
3) Not much testicular shrinkage, but at my age they probably are shrunk up as much as they can be. I have ordered hcg and we'll see what happens. Might even let me drop my dosage of test.
4) I suspect I will be doing this program or something not very different for the rest of my life and I would really like to go on as long as possible, so I need to get it right.
5) I am not cycling. My intention is to go on like this because if I stop for my boys to recover then what would they recover to? They would go back to being 70 year old testes which just will not get the job done. No point in taking the sildenafil and getting hard and then not feeling like it anyway.

I am here on the anti-aging forum because I thought this would be the place to go. Any more 70 year old and up guys out there with similar problems? I will be happy to hear from anybody who might be able to help.

The first thing I would say to you is - stop self treating and get a doctor!. I've never heard of anyone taking these doses for TRT. 1000mg of T-Cyp a week is outrageous and would spike your E2 levels way too high. 100mg of Sildenifil daily in all likelihood would dangerously lower your blood pressure.

I'm close to your age - 66. It is my understanding that older men respond to lower doses of testosterone than those younger. To begin, you should lower your weekly dose tenfold! And inject twice weekly. Also look into an aromatase inhibitor - a.s.a.p. I'll bet your raised E2 level is tying up that T you have in your body - and wreaking havoc in other ways - not the least in the bedroom. Good idea to take hCG too. Others on the forum more knowledgeable than I can fill in the details on the above.

Again, the first thing is to stop self treating and get into a doctor's office! Find one, third world country or not. TRt is not something to embark on lightly. Get blood work done and see what's going on. Otherwise you're shooting in the dark.

[xcraider37]

The first thing I would say to you is - stop self treating and get a doctor!. I've never heard of anyone taking these doses for TRT. 1000mg of T-Cyp a week is outrageous and would spike your E2 levels way too high. 100mg of Sildenifil daily in all likelihood would dangerously lower your blood pressure.

I'm close to your age - 66. It is my understanding that older men respond to lower doses of testosterone than those younger. To begin, you should lower your weekly dose tenfold! And inject twice weekly. Also look into an aromatase inhibitor - a.s.a.p. I'll bet your raised E2 level is tying up that T you have in your body - and wreaking havoc in other ways - not the least in the bedroom. Good idea to take hCG too. Others on the forum more knowledgeable than I can fill in the details on the above.

Again, the first thing is to stop self treating and get into a doctor's office! Find one, third world country or not. TRt is not something to embark on lightly. Get blood work done and see what's going on. Otherwise you're shooting in the dark.

2sox well done on the response but I'm calling BS on the OP post. Nobody would do that long term and would probably have a heart attack or stroke before too long.

[kelkel]

It is hard to believe but if it's true you're going to hurt yourself.
It seems it all revolves around sex, which is fine and understood to a point. And if that is the case then just get some Trimix and be done with it. Problem solved.
If you're doing that much test, it is a cycle. Face facts.
You need blood work, yesterday.

[Lunk1]

165 lbs and a gram o'week

[Horsemnn]

OK, this was the kind of answer I have been hoping for because I really do not know what I am doing. I do feel pretty darned good, but I would rather not make a problem in the future if I can avoid it.
1) Under medical supervision is not an option here in this place. I have to work with what I have available to me. I will be going home in three weeks and I will try to find somebody. Anybody care to recommend a physician who will do this kind of work in Oklahoma City area? Because I have never found one. I will follow this advice if I possibly can, but if I can not then I have no intention of giving up what I have now because it is the greatest thing that has ever happened to me.
2) Yes, 1 g is really a lot. I know. That is why I am here. You say it is your understanding that older men respond to lower doses of testosterone . That would be really great, but that was not my experience which is why I went higher. All the same I will begin bringing my dose down right away. I can do that now without concern because I will be away from my wife for three months.
3) Aromatase inhibitor. You mean like nolvadex or clomid, right? OK. I will look into that immediately. I do have concerns about that - but maybe the mesterolone is helping out some about that. I will follow this advice.
4) What is E2 level? What does it mean? What does it do?
5) HCG is already on the way. Should have it early next week. I think 500 iu twice a week. Is that right?
6) Two times a week instead of weekly on the test. No problem. Tomorrow's dose will be lower and then cut in half and done again four days later. I will begin by going down to 600 mg per week administered twice weekly.
7) My blood pressure is good. Never over 130/80 and never under 100/60. Usually around 110/70. I have a sphyngmomanometer and check it on most days because of previous high blood pressure. But these days and for the past five years or so it has been good.

For the guy who said BS. I understand. But it is not. It is real. That is why I am here. I tried one thing and then another and then another and things kind of spun to where I am now. The high test dosage is what made me so concerned that I sought out advice here. I hope you understand that this is not just a recent issue. It has been building up. Started about five years ago when things started not working as they should. It started getting out of control when the mesterolone was not enough to do the trick which was about four months ago. Also, I am really into exercise and work at it at least two and a half hours per day. I eat anything I want, but I really love fruits and veggies and eat mostly that.

[Horsemnn]

Oh, one more thing. Thank you all for your help. Hopefully you will get me on the road to getting straightened out here

[Times Roman]

just out of curiosity, how do your vitals check out?

bp?
resting pulse rate?
RBC / hematacrit levels?


if i were in your shoes, i'd be concerned about my long term use of the compounds and the amounts you are using.......

just my .02

---Roman

[Horsemnn]

Times Roman: I am concerned about long term effects, that is why I am here, right?

Vitals

Resting pulse rate: 64
BP: generally around 110/70. After a long workout and waiting maybe 15 minutes it might be down to 100/60. If I do not do my exercise for a few days or a week (though that is pretty rare) it might creep up to 115/77
Hematocrit: Last time I checked (one year ago almost to the day) it was only 35. Hgb 11 That was before I started testosterone so if the testosterone has elevated it or not I do not know. I will get it checked within the next six weeks when I am home.

I just hope some of you guys do not think I am just here jerking your chain, because I am not. I came here for the purpose I said and I seem to be getting some real and pertinent advice here.

I have been reading the steroid profiles on these pages for five years or more. That was what made me decide to begin with mesterolone and I must say that it worked very well for several years. I began with 25 mg and that did not have enough effect. Raised it to 50 mg along with 10mg sildenafil and that did the trick. Had to increase the dosages every year or two. Been pretty happy ever since. But the past year things have been slowing down. That is why I read more about test and decided to try it. Mixed the test enanthate with sesame oil and boy did it hurt. (Sent the libido through the roof though). Tried it for a few weeks and gave it up. Changed to cyp in sunflower oil (actually, I think it was the sesame oil that hurt) and no more pain problems. The cyp sets up solid at room temp, but heat it a little in boiling water and it gets to be a clear solution just like it is supposed to be. Then inject it. I might have mixed it strong which is why it solidifies. 50g in 200 ml of sunflower oil makes 50 mg/ml. Maybe that is why it sets up. Have no access to benzyl benzoate, benzyl alcohol, etc. but this method seems to work. My supplier said that if I had no access to all of the ingredients this would work ok, and it does.

Anyway, I really appreciate the help. I will begin to down my dose of test and split it into two per week and probably add some nolvadex and hcg as the previous guy suggested. Be better if I could find a good doc when I go home next month, but I do not know one who will deal with these issues. My VA doc does run many of these tests though and is happy to give me the results - but refuses to advise me about test therapy.

[2Sox]

OK, this was the kind of answer I have been hoping for because I really do not know what I am doing. I do feel pretty darned good, but I would rather not make a problem in the future if I can avoid it.
1) Under medical supervision is not an option here in this place. I have to work with what I have available to me. I will be going home in three weeks and I will try to find somebody. Anybody care to recommend a physician who will do this kind of work in Oklahoma City area? Because I have never found one. I will follow this advice if I possibly can, but if I can not then I have no intention of giving up what I have now because it is the greatest thing that has ever happened to me.
2) Yes, 1 g is really a lot. I know. That is why I am here. You say it is your understanding that older men respond to lower doses of testosterone . That would be really great, but that was not my experience which is why I went higher. All the same I will begin bringing my dose down right away. I can do that now without concern because I will be away from my wife for three months.
3) Aromatase inhibitor. You mean like nolvadex or clomid, right? OK. I will look into that immediately. I do have concerns about that - but maybe the mesterolone is helping out some about that. I will follow this advice.
4) What is E2 level? What does it mean? What does it do?
5) HCG is already on the way. Should have it early next week. I think 500 iu twice a week. Is that right?
6) Two times a week instead of weekly on the test. No problem. Tomorrow's dose will be lower and then cut in half and done again four days later. I will begin by going down to 600 mg per week administered twice weekly.
7) My blood pressure is good. Never over 130/80 and never under 100/60. Usually around 110/70. I have a sphyngmomanometer and check it on most days because of previous high blood pressure. But these days and for the past five years or so it has been good.

For the guy who said BS. I understand. But it is not. It is real. That is why I am here. I tried one thing and then another and then another and things kind of spun to where I am now. The high test dosage is what made me so concerned that I sought out advice here. I hope you understand that this is not just a recent issue. It has been building up. Started about five years ago when things started not working as they should. It started getting out of control when the mesterolone was not enough to do the trick which was about four months ago. Also, I am really into exercise and work at it at least two and a half hours per day. I eat anything I want, but I really love fruits and veggies and eat mostly that.

E2 is estradiol. As was indicated, at the Test doses you are taking your estrogen level is likely negating the good effects it can have. Look up the effects of high estrogen and see if you display any symptoms. If you do (and it's very likely you are) you need an aromatase inhibitor, NOW. Try a third generation like anastrozole or another of your choosing. Read the "sticky" on estrogen management on this forum.

Before I retired from the classroom, I often gave this advice to my students: It's called the KISS rule. No offense intended but if you haven't heard it before, it goes like this; Keep it Simple, Stupid. Start with the least amount of medications and the lowest dosage - and if necessary, work up very conservatively. Otherwise you'll run the very real risk of hurting yourself and leaving your wife a widow at a young age.

You're in the right place. There are members here who have extensive knowledge and experience - much more than I - from whom you can benefit greatly.

[Lunk1]

Horsemnn, 600mg EW is still a body builders cycle dose. Running those levels can cause serious risks to your health if done long term. A "normal" trt dose would range between 50-250mg per week on average. Most ppl seem to do the best around 100-150EW. Lower doses will provide test levels within clinically acceptable ranges while lowering the risk of elevated estrogen levels.

My guess would be that the biggest problems you are having are related to elevated estrogen and proper dosing along with an AI like Aromason or Anastrozal (Arimadex). No need to taper down your test dosage. Drop it to a reasonable trt dose immediately and get bloodwork done!

[kelkel]

Good advice above. The insidious effects of estrogen are internal more than external. People tend to judge E2 by whether they get gyno or not. That is a poor choice to make. A large portion of the test you are taking is converting to estrogen. Elevated E2 = loss of libido = a vicious cycle you've put yourself on. Find a doctor or call LowTestosterone.com - $199 All-Included Testosterone Treatment and get on board with proper treatment before you get hurt. Less is more when it comes to HRT. Remember what I said in my previous post that there are other solutions for erectile issues. Do some research on TriMix. If that doesn't work for you, nothing will.

[Lunk1]

Good advice above. The insidious effects of estrogen are internal more than external. People tend to judge E2 by whether they get gyno or not. That is a poor choice to make. A large portion of the test you are taking is converting to estrogen. Elevated E2 = loss of libido = a vicious cycle you've put yourself on. Find a doctor or call LowTestosterone.com - $199 All-Included Testosterone Treatment and get on board with proper treatment before you get hurt. Less is more when it comes to HRT. Remember what I said in my previous post that there are other solutions for erectile issues. Do some research on TriMix. If that doesn't work for you, nothing will.

I wanna try that Trimix but you will have to inject me

[Horsemnn]

Trimix, huh?? OK. I will look that up now. Thank you.

[kelkel]

I wanna try that Trimix but you will have to inject me

I'm older, my eyes aren't that good therefore I can't do micro-injections...

[Horsemnn]

kelkel: Please explain to me what trimix is. I googled it and did not get much except videos about how to inject it into your penis (are they kidding here or what?) Anyway, did not see what the chemical name is, how it acts, what it does, etc.

[bluskiblacdeth]

I was going to post but thought this was a troll post. Get blood work AFTER being off all the crap for at least a month (yes you will feel like hell). Get a base line then administer the CORRECT doses. 60-80mg / week of test gets most of us in range and we feel great! 1 gram.....good god.

[kelkel]

TriMixInjection.com - TriMix Injections For ED - Tri Mix Shots - Erectile Dysfunction -

Nope, they're not kidding. There's a gel available as well. There's really no feeling in the part of your weiner where you're injecting, but it is scary as hell the first time. Just like any first time injection. It's great stuff if needed or just for special occasions.

[EasyDoesIt]

Wow that's a ton of test. Personally never did more than 500mgs per week. As stated get with Low T banner on top right. if possible wherever you live. Just wanted to make note that you should not start pumping hcg in you until you get Bloodwork. You just can not start adding compounds recklessly bud or everything may just all of a sudden stop. Not necessarily speaking about hcg, but with all the self medicating it's dangerous. Also, i have never made gear before, but you should look into the area on forum regarding home brewing in ( http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-laboratory/ ) as you should be filtering it. An infection can be life threatening. I am 59 and i actually can not tolerate high doses of test. I could not take enough AI's to offset gyno if i took 1000mgs test. I think you have been pretty lucky so far. Take these guys advice before serious problems arise. Interesting situation.
I like younger women to!
Best of Luck!

[Horsemnn]

Thank you for your advice. I am already cutting my dosage in half as of today and dividing that into two doses per week. I will 1/2 it again in a few weeks. I understand about the aromatase issues though I suspect I have not experienced it and I do expect there would be some symptoms. Funny thing. I viewed the injection video for trimix and if that is what they are trying to achieve and that is their problem then I am not interested. I can make myself do the injections with a 30 g needle without any fancy paraphernalia but that video is not exactly what I intend to achieve. I feel sorry for that guy and can understand his problems, but I have never in my life let myself go like that and hope I never will. And the doctor narrator seems so proud of what he has accomplished. No. Not for me. Or maybe they just chose a poor subject for the video. I will have to stick with some dosage of test (though admittedly much lower) and continue with mesterolone. Maybe if I can get down to 250 then I will not need aromatase inhibitors because I have had no symptoms of estrogen. In a few weeks when I go back to the states I will get tested for E just to be sure.
I am beginning to think that when I started on the test I was not patient enough and increased the dose too quickly to get effect. Sure did get the effect though and now will go back down. But when you guys say under 100mg/week I find that difficult to believe. If I can I will though.
I reckon I have not well explained what I am experiencing here. It is wonderful. I am a few months shy of 70 and sack time is better than at any time in my life - and I had thought that it was great before, but now realize I was only in kindergarten. My wife looks like that photo that kelkel has on his (her?) forum signature photo
and the sack time is - how can I say it to best describe - intense - yes, that is the word, intense, and the intensity goes on for a long time. We have two beautiful daughters
7 and 13. She is a great partner, looks great, great mother, good cook. Terminally ill. She will have around another 5 years. I want her life to be great, great, great. I just never dreamed how great my life would become trying to make things good for her. She may be ill, but she never doubts her attractiveness these days nor her desirability.
Thank you guys for all your help.

[kelkel]

First, that's just a video. If you have erectile difficulty Trimix is far safer than what you are doing to yourself now. You will like it.
When it comes to estrogen you may not "see" the damage being done as most is internal. People have heart attacks and don't know they're coming....
You have no clue about your E level or anything else without blood work.
We all search for the fountain of youth and testosterone replacement , HGH, etc surely helps but the amounts you're taking on a daily basis are unheard of. You seem to be a good guy and want to be around to take care of the wife during her time of difficulty. You won't be able to do that if you become unhealthy from a more is better philosophy.

Good luck with everything. Take care of the wife.

[Lunk1]

You assume you are not aromatizing excess test to estrogen...I assure you that you are!
You assume that you should be using such doses of test...I assure you that you do not.

At 250mg EW of test you will almost assuredly need an AI.
Do not cut you dose in half. Stop taking that much ASAP! Drop to 150mg EW and start an AI NOW!

Your problems are 100% indicative of elevated test levels so start taking measures to control that now. Elevated E2 levels are causes of high BP, enlarged prostate, erectile dysfunction, gyno, and many more.

[2Sox]

Thank you for your advice. I am already cutting my dosage in half as of today and dividing that into two doses per week. I will 1/2 it again in a few weeks. I understand about the aromatase issues though I suspect I have not experienced it and I do expect there would be some symptoms. Funny thing. I viewed the injection video for trimix and if that is what they are trying to achieve and that is their problem then I am not interested. I can make myself do the injections with a 30 g needle without any fancy paraphernalia but that video is not exactly what I intend to achieve. I feel sorry for that guy and can understand his problems, but I have never in my life let myself go like that and hope I never will. And the doctor narrator seems so proud of what he has accomplished. No. Not for me. Or maybe they just chose a poor subject for the video. I will have to stick with some dosage of test (though admittedly much lower) and continue with mesterolone. Maybe if I can get down to 250 then I will not need aromatase inhibitors because I have had no symptoms of estrogen. In a few weeks when I go back to the states I will get tested for E just to be sure.
I am beginning to think that when I started on the test I was not patient enough and increased the dose too quickly to get effect. Sure did get the effect though and now will go back down. But when you guys say under 100mg/week I find that difficult to believe. If I can I will though.
I reckon I have not well explained what I am experiencing here. It is wonderful. I am a few months shy of 70 and sack time is better than at any time in my life - and I had thought that it was great before, but now realize I was only in kindergarten. My wife looks like that photo that kelkel has on his (her?) forum signature photo
and the sack time is - how can I say it to best describe - intense - yes, that is the word, intense, and the intensity goes on for a long time. We have two beautiful daughters
7 and 13. She is a great partner, looks great, great mother, good cook. Terminally ill. She will have around another 5 years. I want her life to be great, great, great. I just never dreamed how great my life would become trying to make things good for her. She may be ill, but she never doubts her attractiveness these days nor her desirability.
Thank you guys for all your help.

No one has to tell you that you have a great responsibility to your daughters and to your wife. All the more reason to take your health seriously. It's was a wise decision to post here.

By no means am I an expert but I'd suggest you follow Lunk's recommendation in post #11. DON'T titrate down. Start immediately at 100mg split twice a week. Try subcutaneously (with and insulin syringe) if you can and see if you like it. If I were you, I'd cut EVERYTHING out except the Testosterone , an aromatase inhibitor and hCG . Start SMALL. You can always increase based on how you feel and on your blood work. If you take anastrozole, take .25mg twice a week to begin. IMO, hCG couldn't hurt - IF you cut everything else out. Start hCG at 250iu twice a week. SMALL.

It's scary to think about what you have been putting into your body for so long. Get blood work done - now.

[kelkel]

To me these amounts seem to have had a psychological impact as well. Hopefully you are strong enough to go through this process and get balanced out. You will be far better off for it.

[Lunk1]

To me these amounts seem to have had a psychological impact as well. Hopefully you are strong enough to go through this process and get balanced out. You will be far better off for it.

Agreed, I cant imagine the period of depression that could likely follow after being at such a high level and during the time your hormones are balancing.

[2Sox]

Horse,

I've been giving your situation, and by extension, the whole idea of TRT - some more thought. I think when a person enters the world of HRT, he can all too easily push aside his good intentions of just living a better life and get into the whole field of trying to fool reality. There is a tremendous temptation to feel we are pulling "a fast one" over mother nature. Up our dose of whatever and feel better than usual - have better sex, perform better in the gym. Take another kind of med for a more intense rush and to push it even further. I know about this because I found myself going for this. I wonder how many men on this forum have felt this at one time or another. I'm sure there are many. I think it boils down to a choice between self help or self love.

It's always very delicate balance: How can we improve our quality of life with the least amount of outside help? Hypogonadism is real and we all deserve treatment, but how many have taken this treatment to lengths beyond actual "treatment"?

Horse, I think you are the poster child for what I describe above and we can all benefit from the mistakes you've made.

[2Sox]

I'd suggest you think of how this is affecting your wife and by extension, your daughters. Does she know what you are putting into your body? I don't think she'd want you to risk your health in any way. I'm sure her interest in you goes beyond "boinking" with her (a term she would likely be mortified at you using on a public forum in regards to her - and is by no means respectful). After thirty years of marriage I've found that a great part of what makes for a passion in a marriage is when a man wants to know his wife and works to be a kind critic of her. A man wants the same from a woman. From my experience this knowing is kindness and makes for great pleasure and turns out to be a mighty aphrodisiac.

IMO, if a marriage is to last, these are some of the main ingredients. Perhaps if you think about getting back to these basics you might find the lower doses surprising you a very great deal.

[Horsemnn]

Not for so long. Only a few months. And only at 1 g for one month. That is when I started noticing that I am becoming bigger and better defined. I have always been an avid fitness guy (I reckon 2 - 3 hours per day is pretty avid) and only started the test three months ago. I realized I was going way over the top which is why I am here. At other places on this website there are discussions of even more than 1 g per day, but I agree that it is way over the top and will get it down.

[kelkel]

Horsemnn let us know on this thread how you do. You're on an interesting journey that can aid others here as well. So if you don't mind, fill us in on the steps you take and how you respond.

Thanks!

[Horsemnn]

2sox: You have hit the nail square on the head. Wanted more and more and now have it, but am realizing that this can not go on forever. I will take about a month to go down to reasonable levels (down to half already and in a couple of weeks another half and then maybe even another half) and get the blood work done. Can someone here specify exactly what blood work? I asked for help and now have a number of experienced people who are putting serious thought into my circumstance. And for what - for free. Thanks for that. It will take a hell of a doctor to do better than what I am getting here. Thank you.

[MICKY H]

Horsemnn, sounds like you are living in the Philippines Indonesia or similar. There are hospitals there, just go and get your bloods done. There is a good sticky on what to ask for and then the pro's can chime in on the results. Doing what you are doing you are gonna kill yourself.

[Lunk1]

2sox: You have hit the nail square on the head. Wanted more and more and now have it, but am realizing that this can not go on forever. I will take about a month to go down to reasonable levels (down to half already and in a couple of weeks another half and then maybe even another half) and get the blood work done. Can someone here specify exactly what blood work? I asked for help and now have a number of experienced people who are putting serious thought into my circumstance. And for what - for free. Thanks for that. It will take a hell of a doctor to do better than what I am getting here. Thank you.

Yet you are still not listening!!! Drop your dose to a TRT level ASAP!!!! There is NO reason to do it over a month or longer. Start acting your age!

[EasyDoesIt]

Not for so long. Only a few months. And only at 1 g for one month. That is when I started noticing that I am becoming bigger and better defined. I have always been an avid fitness guy (I reckon 2 - 3 hours per day is pretty avid) and only started the test three months ago. I realized I was going way over the top which is why I am here. At other places on this website there are discussions of even more than 1 g per day, but I agree that it is way over the top and will get it down.

Well said! I ended up here like you and many others to gain knowledge on what i was doing wrong. It takes a good man to uproot his life to another country to take care of his wife and kids. Sounds to me like you have a good relationship with your family.
Best of luck on your health...

[Horsemnn]

Hey everybody. One more question. I keep asking what blood tests and you guys keep referring me to go to the "sticky". OK. I'll bite. What is a "sticky" and were do I find it?

[2Sox]

Hey everybody. One more question. I keep asking what blood tests and you guys keep referring me to go to the "sticky". OK. I'll bite. What is a "sticky" and were do I find it?

Hormone Replacement Therapy - Low Testosterone Treatment, Anti-Aging

All the titles marked IMPORTANT

[MICKY H]

Total Testosterone
• Bioavailable testosterone (aka Free and Loosely Bound)
• Free Testosterone
• SHBG
• DHT
• Estradiol (specify “sensitive” assay for males)
• LH
• FSH
• Prolactin
• Cortisol
• Thyroid Panel (complete)
• CBC
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
• Lipid Panel
• PSA (age dependent)
• Vitamin

[Horsemnn]

Hello Folks: OK. Now I know what the "stickies" are and have read them. Didn't know where to find a doc, but right above the "stickies" it seems that some part of this very organization offers complete chem panel plus TRT for $199.00. Is that right? Seems like there is an office in Dallas which is only three hours from my home in OK. I will be there in three weeks and can call there for an appt. Am I right? I can afford that. I have no insurance as I am a Vietnam vet and get very affordable care at the VA. So I pay and it is not that much. I can sure afford $199.00. And I can afford to buy whatever I need from my supplier in China. Am I on the right track here?

[MICKY H]

where are you based now

[lovbyts]

Hello Folks: OK. Now I know what the "stickies" are and have read them. Didn't know where to find a doc, but right above the "stickies" it seems that some part of this very organization offers complete chem panel plus TRT for $199.00. Is that right? Seems like there is an office in Dallas which is only three hours from my home in OK. I will be there in three weeks and can call there for an appt. Am I right? I can afford that. I have no insurance as I am a Vietnam vet and get very affordable care at the VA. So I pay and it is not that much. I can sure afford $199.00. And I can afford to buy whatever I need from my supplier in China. Am I on the right track here?

Be VERY careful about what you buy from China. Mostly fakes these days with very convincing packaging. You may do yourself more harm than good. It's best to get what you need from a Anti Aging clinic back home or a local doctor.

I'm guessing Thailand or Philippines?

[Horsemnn]

MICKY H: Misamis Oriental, Mindanao, Philippines