Noticing a bit of mood change

**BigPimpin76** · 12-21-2013, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

Yes, you really need to take 250 iu's HCG 2 x per week. That is the normal recommended dosage. Personally i don't use hcg all the time, i do runs with it, but not constant as many or i should say from reading posts most do. Your testese shrink a bit and natural test production shuts down. But hcg can also boost more test so this is why you need an AI. Adding another compound can effect estro.

By doing runs.. What do you mean by it?
Sorry to ask..but thats the way to learn...

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**EasyDoesIt** · 12-21-2013, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

By doing runs.. What do you mean by it?
Sorry to ask..but thats the way to learn...

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No Problem, I am probably a little different than most. Prior to trt, i started test thru an anti aging company and would get off and do PCT. To make it simple, i needed to start taking test and at the time they were more of a legit way to get it. They also sold anavar , winstrol , deca and hgh. They later started selling injectable amino acids after they were not allowed to sell deca, anavar and winnie any longer. The protocol for PCT was large doses of hcg two weeks after cycle. Yes cycle is the way i started. Companies like Low t are much more on up and up these days. Every time i ran high hcg i would have ridiculous hair loss. I was asking around this board and no one thought it was true. Now i think people realize it. I was searching the net and finding women had it with hcg even on low doses for hcg diet. So i just have a problem doing things continuous the rest of my life unless absolutely necessary. I actually buy the 2,000iu bottles and may do 250ius 2 x per week and if i miss a shot, i don't sweat it. Then when that runs out i don't use for awhile. People might think that i would get out of whack, but i am comfortable with it. That's why i edited my post as it is normal to run hcg when prescribed by a low t company, but it's not a law and i like to do what i may feel comfortable with. I am old enough to have watched protocols change, then maybe revert back to an old method. Not just with this stuff, other things in general, so when a new study comes out and states you must do this, i don't necessarily jump. Back when these companies were allowed to sell all those other compounds, they had a lot to sell. Anavar was exorbitant, my bills when placing an order were crazy. So now they sell test, ai, HGH, hcg and supplements, which most don't buy from them. HCG is more costly than test. Most can't afford HGH. That's a long answer, but you probably get the point.

**BigPimpin76** · 12-21-2013, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

No Problem, I am probably a little different than most. Prior to trt, i started test thru an anti aging company and would get off and do PCT. To make it simple, i needed to start taking test and at the time they were more of a legit way to get it. They also sold anavar, winstrol, deca and hgh. They later started selling injectable amino acids after they were not allowed to sell deca, anavar and winnie any longer. The protocol for PCT was large doses of hcg two weeks after cycle. Yes cycle is the way i started. Companies like Low t are much more on up and up these days. Every time i ran high hcg i would have ridiculous hair loss. I was asking around this board and no one thought it was true. Now i think people realize it. I was searching the net and finding women had it with hcg even on low doses for hcg diet. So i just have a problem doing things continuous the rest of my life unless absolutely necessary. I actually buy the 2,000iu bottles and may do 250ius 2 x per week and if i miss a shot, i don't sweat it. Then when that runs out i don't use for awhile. People might think that i would get out of whack, but i am comfortable with it. That's why i edited my post as it is normal to run hcg when prescribed by a low t company, but it's not a law and i like to do what i may feel comfortable with. I am old enough to have watched protocols change, then maybe revert back to an old method. Not just with this stuff, other things in general, so when a new study comes out and states you must do this, i don't necessarily jump. Back when these companies were allowed to sell all those other compounds, they had a lot to sell. Anavar was exorbitant, my bills when placing an order were crazy. So now they sell test, ai, HGH, hcg and supplements, which most don't buy from them. HCG is more costly than test. Most can't afford HGH. That's a long answer, but you probably get the point.

Thanks for elaborating Bro!
For sure I get the point!
Im going to throw in some HCG every so often to be safe!

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**BigPimpin76** · 12-21-2013, 09:56 AM

Another Question that is a bit besides the topic......
Can Test Cyp and Test E be alternated every week?
For example one wk 100mg Test E and the next Test Cypionate ?

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**EasyDoesIt** · 12-21-2013, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

Another Question that is a bit besides the topic......
Can Test Cyp and Test E be alternated every week?
For example one wk 100mg Test E and the next Test Cypionate ?

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You could but it doesn't make much sense to, if you wanted to use test e, just use it when cyp runs out, then run e till it runs out. As far as HCG , do whatever you feel comfortable with. You can run it and see how you feel and how it effects you, then go off and see how you feel off as far as sex drive etc. I know people on trt through there GP, they never run AI or HCG, but there gp really not schooled well at all in it. His GP just prescribes 1 injection per week rather than 2 inj split up, does not even check Estro levels. I suggested he get pfizer brand prescribed, so when he went to phizer, after two weeks his test levels went from 800-1200 because the purity is better than compounded, so his doc just said drop dosage in half. Just doing the math, it's a 1/3 jump in test, so why half? He gets his BW 5 days after injection so it wasn't that he got bw a couple days after. Just wanted to throw that info into you. The more you know, the less you will have to experiment on yourself. Everyones bodies are different and different reactions.

**BigPimpin76** · 12-21-2013, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

You could but it doesn't make much sense to, if you wanted to use test e, just use it when cyp runs out, then run e till it runs out. As far as HCG, do whatever you feel comfortable with. You can run it and see how you feel and how it effects you, then go off and see how you feel off as far as sex drive etc. I know people on trt through there GP, they never run AI or HCG, but there gp really not schooled well at all in it. His GP just prescribes 1 injection per week rather than 2 inj split up, does not even check Estro levels. I suggested he get pfizer brand prescribed, so when he went to phizer, after two weeks his test levels went from 800-1200 because the purity is better than compounded, so his doc just said drop dosage in half. Just doing the math, it's a 1/3 jump in test, so why half? He gets his BW 5 days after injection so it wasn't that he got bw a couple days after. Just wanted to throw that info into you. The more you know, the less you will have to experiment on yourself. Everyones bodies are different and different reactions.

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**BigPimpin76** · 12-21-2013, 12:16 PM

Eventough I have a few weeks until My BW could I ad Arimidex .25 mg daily?
This to knock out any possibility for Build in E during the begining Stages of TRT..
I have a bottle of Arimidex laying around.

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**EasyDoesIt** · 12-21-2013, 12:58 PM

That's a tough call for me to make, because it's a bit of guess. I don't think you stated whether you did BW before you started and if e was high. Probably better to just wait as long as you're only feeling moody. If you were taking 200 or 250mgs per week i would definitely say yes. I think i would wait, a little mood swing is not something you can't live with for a few weeks and give your body chance to settle in.
Also arimidex is usually dosed .25 every other day, especially for low dose TRT. But even guys doing 250 and up usually go .25 EOD.

**BigPimpin76** · 12-21-2013, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

That's a tough call for me to make, because it's a bit of guess. I don't think you stated whether you did BW before you started and if e was high. Probably better to just wait as long as you're only feeling moody. If you were taking 200 or 250mgs per week i would definitely say yes. I think i would wait, a little mood swing is not something you can't live with for a few weeks and give your body chance to settle in. Also arimidex is usually dosed .25 every other day, especially for low dose TRT. But even guys doing 250 and up usually go .25 EOD.

Ok bro!! I will ride it out until I have BW done!!
That way a have better perspective!!
Thanks bud

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**BigPimpin76** · 12-21-2013, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

That's a tough call for me to make, because it's a bit of guess. I don't think you stated whether you did BW before you started and if e was high. Probably better to just wait as long as you're only feeling moody. If you were taking 200 or 250mgs per week i would definitely say yes. I think i would wait, a little mood swing is not something you can't live with for a few weeks and give your body chance to settle in. Also arimidex is usually dosed .25 every other day, especially for low dose TRT. But even guys doing 250 and up usually go .25 EOD.

What I will as you advised is to use 250. HGG twice a week!
Correct?

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**EasyDoesIt** · 12-21-2013, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

What I will as you advised is to use 250. HGG twice a week!
Correct?

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Correct! 250iu's

**2Sox** · 12-21-2013, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

Eventough I have a few weeks until My BW could I ad Arimidex .25 mg daily?
This to knock out any possibility for Build in E during the begining Stages of TRT..
I have a bottle of Arimidex laying around.

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My advice about Arimidex: I agree with Easy. DON'T play around with it. It is very strong stuff. Wait for labs and then make a decision but it's always best to start off low. No one but a professional (or someone on this forum with great knowledge) can advise you but you may want to can consider .25mg ,2 times a week to begin. Every day is kind of crazy, IMO.

**EasyDoesIt** · 12-21-2013, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by 2Sox

My advice about Arimidex: I agree with Easy. DON'T play around with it. It is very strong stuff. Wait for labs and then make a decision but it's always best to start off low. No one but a professional (or someone on this forum with great knowledge) can advise you but you may want to can consider .25mg ,2 times a week to begin. Every day is kind of crazy, IMO.

yes .25 2 times per week may be a good dosage. Most on this forum would not agree with that, but i would. I used .5mg / 2 times weekly day after injections of 100mgs twice per week and it worked well. It was prescribed that way to me. bigpimp is using 50mgs 2 x per week. Most here believe eod prescribed arimidex due to 48 hour life. Guess you and i are the oddballs here sox. lol
But BW first then decide. At 100mgs per week he may not need if lucky.

**BigPimpin76** · 12-21-2013, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by 2Sox

My advice about Arimidex: I agree with Easy. DON'T play around with it. It is very strong stuff. Wait for labs and then make a decision but it's always best to start off low. No one but a professional (or someone on this forum with great knowledge) can advise you but you may want to can consider .25mg ,2 times a week to begin. Every day is kind of crazy, IMO.

Honestly this Forum is simply wonderful! Thank you Bro for chiming in and every one on this forum who takes the time to help a brother out!
This is priceless! Here in Guatemala City not many "Endos " Uros" could help me out!
But this board is pure info Bliss!
Best wishes my fellow Bros!

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**BigPimpin76** · 12-21-2013, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

yes .25 2 times per week may be a good dosage. Most on this forum would not agree with that, but i would. I used .5mg / 2 times weekly day after injections of 100mgs twice per week and it worked well. It was prescribed that way to me. bigpimp is using 50mgs 2 x per week. Most here believe eod prescribed arimidex due to 48 hour life. Guess you and i are the oddballs here sox. lol But BW first then decide. At 100mgs per week he may not need if lucky.

I dont think you Bros are oddballs! I think you guys are taking the time to share Info that helped you guys!

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**EasyDoesIt** · 12-21-2013, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

I dont think you Bros are oddballs! I think you guys are taking the time to share Info that helped you guys!

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Thank you, just mean other than sox i have never seen anyone speak of 2 x per week dosage of arimidex . When i either mentioned it or advised it a long time ago everyone chimed in and stated every other day due to 48 hour life of drug, but i am not hrt specialist. I continued using mine at 2 x per week 1 day after injection. I figured it was working so why try to fix if it was not broken. It seems like it is prescribed at .25 eod as a standard.

**BigPimpin76** · 12-21-2013, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

Thank you, just mean other than sox i have never seen anyone speak of 2 x per week dosage of arimidex. When i either mentioned it or advised it a long time ago everyone chimed in and stated every other day due to 48 hour life of drug, but i believe the half life is 50 hours, but i am not hrt specialist. I continued using mine at 2 x per week 1 day after injection. I figured it was working so why try to fix if it was not broken. It seems like it is prescribed at .25 eod as a standard.

I am going to dose at 25. Mg 2x per week! I figure I have nothing to loose but keep estrogen on the safe side!
BW will give me a much better panorama since I am due in about two weeks!
I had to get surgery on nips about two years ago, that was to gyno!
So that right there kinda tells me im prone to Estrogen.
My question is, if I should take Arimidex with the 250. Mg of HCG at the same time x2 weekly?

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**EasyDoesIt** · 12-21-2013, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

I am going to dose at 25. Mg 2x per week! I figure I have nothing to loose but keep estrogen on the safe side!
BW will give me a much better panorama since I am due in about two weeks!
I had to get surgery on nips about two years ago, that was to gyno!
So that right there kinda tells me im prone to Estrogen.
My question is, if I should take Arimidex with the 250. Mg of HCG at the same time x2 weekly?

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HCG boost natural test so it can raise estrogen. But as a general statement, an AI is generally used with both test and hcg. I also am prone to gyno, i did not know you were. I probably missed it, but i did not realize you used test before. I am guessing you did not use an AI. One could actually get gyno running high doses of hcg and test together, but 250iu hcg is standard prescription dose. I have to leave that one up to you as far as starting adex.

**BigPimpin76** · 12-21-2013, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

HCG boost natural test so it can raise estrogen. But as a general statement, an AI is generally used with both test and hcg. I also am prone to gyno, i did not know you were. I probably missed it, but i did not realize you used test before. I am guessing you did not use an AI. One could actually get gyno running high doses of hcg and test together, but 250iu hcg is standard prescription dose. I have to leave that one up to you as far as starting adex.

I have done cycles in the past!About 7 years ago! I was very inmature about it.. never did proper Pct!
So you can Imagine.. I was simply trying to look big ...Ignorant me!
I really dont know what caused all this low T situation... my juice history or gettin Vasectomy.. Could have been both...
I have been like this for 2 years. visited Uros and nobody could help except one who said my situacion is Hypogondism...
Now I am being treated For TRT...

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**BigPimpin76** · 12-23-2013, 01:46 PM

A little update!! Have to report that after being advised by the bros using 250 HCG , I have noticed my nightly bonner came back! Thats a good sign Sent from my iPhone using Forum

**BigPimpin76** · 12-23-2013, 02:49 PM

As of today I injected 50 mg , I wanted to know if it was possible to administer 250 HCG .?
Or should I shoot HCG tomorrow?

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**EasyDoesIt** · 12-23-2013, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

As of today I injected 50 mg , I wanted to know if it was possible to administer 250 HCG .?
Or should I shoot HCG tomorrow?

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I usually do it day before test injection. But i am not sure if that is correct science. I know it does not matter if you're on a cycle using high doses of test. But plan it out every 3-1/2 days.

**2Sox** · 12-23-2013, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

As of today I injected 50 mg , I wanted to know if it was possible to administer 250 HCG .?
Or should I shoot HCG tomorrow?

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A fairly common protocol is to inject 250iu on each of the two days before your Test injection - if you inject once a week. If you do it twice a week you can inject the day before the Test. But IMO, it really doesn't matter.

**Beethoven** · 12-24-2013, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt

yes .25 2 times per week may be a good dosage. Most on this forum would not agree with that, but i would. I used .5mg / 2 times weekly day after injections of 100mgs twice per week and it worked well. It was prescribed that way to me. bigpimp is using 50mgs 2 x per week. Most here believe eod prescribed arimidex due to 48 hour life. Guess you and i are the oddballs here sox. lol
But BW first then decide. At 100mgs per week he may not need if lucky.

My Doc also prescribed .5 every three days. I did notice today I'm a bit hyped, just a tad but otherwise normal. The frequent woods haven't yet returned but I've only taken two pills as of yesterday and probably haven't had time to really bring down my E2 yet. I will echo what has been said that this site with all the knowledgeable people on it have made a big difference for me in my trt journey, and threads like this that help a great deal, too.

**BigPimpin76** · 12-24-2013, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Beethoven

My Doc also prescribed .5 every three days. I did notice today I'm a bit hyped, just a tad but otherwise normal. The frequent woods haven't yet returned but I've only taken two pills as of yesterday and probably haven't had time to really bring down my E2 yet. I will echo what has been said that this site with all the knowledgeable people on it have made a big difference for me in my trt journey, and threads like this that help a great deal, too.

Without a doubt this board has helped me tremendous!
... So this board is priceless! The info that brings from the Bros is just the best

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**BigPimpin76** · 12-24-2013, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Beethoven

My Doc also prescribed .5 every three days. I did notice today I'm a bit hyped, just a tad but otherwise normal. The frequent woods haven't yet returned but I've only taken two pills as of yesterday and probably haven't had time to really bring down my E2 yet. I will echo what has been said that this site with all the knowledgeable people on it have made a big difference for me in my trt journey, and threads like this that help a great deal, too.

Beethoven?
How long have you been on TRT?
How were the first weeks? Steady or kinda rollercoaster? Libido, sex drive etc?

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**Beethoven** · 12-24-2013, 05:02 PM

The first weeks were good, it has been said that it's placebo but it was good. My woods started going away and by the time I got BW done, my E2 was high. Now enter Arimidex . We'll see how this goes but, do not self medicate an AI especially without BW. I have it partly because of a higher bf now.

**BigPimpin76** · 12-25-2013, 09:16 PM

I wanted to ask if Clomid could be a good alternative instead of Arimidex ?
What do you bros think?

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**2Sox** · 12-25-2013, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

I wanted to ask if Clomid could be a good alternative instead of Arimidex ?
What do you bros think?

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Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor. Clomid is not really.

**MuscleInk** · 12-25-2013, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

I wanted to ask if Clomid could be a good alternative instead of Arimidex ?
What do you bros think?

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Adex ON cycle. It's an AI not a SERM and the mechanisms of action are very different. Clomid will reduce binding affinity of estrogen but won't stop aromatization which is what you need during anabolic dosing.

**BigPimpin76** · 12-25-2013, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by 2Sox

Arimidex is an aromatase inhibitor. Clomid is not really.

What works best?
Clomid or Arimidex ?

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**dreadnok89** · 12-26-2013, 08:47 AM

I notice if my E goes hi I'm beyond irratble. If my T go goes low I'm nasty. If I keep them both in check I'm in such a great mood

**BigPimpin76** · 12-26-2013, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

I notice if my E goes hi I'm beyond irratble. If my T go goes low I'm nasty. If I keep them both in check I'm in such a great mood

So how do you keep both in check?

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**BigPimpin76** · 12-26-2013, 09:29 AM

Since starting TRT I have noticed a slight headache while working out( CROSSFIT).
Could it be Rise in Estrogen??

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**dreadnok89** · 12-26-2013, 10:27 AM

The test is easy. 4 pumps a day and 250 hcg 3 times a week keeps me between 900to 1100 test. .25 exestamane EOD keep me at 19 sensitive E

**dreadnok89** · 12-26-2013, 04:12 PM

Chlomid is nothing for estrogen control.

**BigPimpin76** · 12-26-2013, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by dreadnok89

Chlomid is nothing for estrogen control.

Ok

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**2Sox** · 12-26-2013, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

Since starting TRT I have noticed a slight headache while working out( CROSSFIT).
Could it be Rise in Estrogen??

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First and most obvious; are you hydrating sufficiently?

Second; what is your hematocrit reading? T has your body produce more red blood cells and your blood essentially gets thicker. It has a tougher time just getting pumped around the body. Just a guess but this MAY cause your symptoms - especially if you're not hydrating. Sometimes I get headaches if I don't eat enough during the day!

**BigPimpin76** · 12-26-2013, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by 2Sox

First and most obvious; are you hydrating sufficiently? Second; what is your hematocrit reading? T has your body produce more red blood cells and your blood essentially gets thicker. It has a tougher time just getting pumped around the body. Just a guess but this MAY cause your symptoms - especially if you're not hydrating. Sometimes I get headaches if I don't eat enough during the day!

Interesting!!!! Do I get Hematocrit reading with blood test? Im going to hydrate more!! And eat more
How is a good way to thin blood?
Blood donation y what other way?

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**2Sox** · 12-26-2013, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by BigPimpin76

Interesting!!!! Do I get Hematocrit reading with blood test? Im going to hydrate more!! And eat more
How is a good way to thin blood?
Blood donation y what other way?

Take a look at this:

http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...k-article.html
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Next time you see your Dr., have him/her take a CBC which includes hematocrit. This is standard when you are getting a complete examination. Not a bad idea for him/her to take a CMP (Metabolic Panel) - standard too. The more knowledegable members here can help you out when you post the results. If you want suggestions from others on what to test for, just ask.