Feel Best on Injection Day

[Score]

Days of my injection (prior to) for the last few weeks have been my best feeling days, would this speak to high estrogen?

[lovbyts]

Not enough information.

How often do you inject? How much? AI? HCG ? Morning? Night? Test E? Test C?

[Score]

Sorry.

50mg every 3.5 days of test cyp.
250iu of HCG same injection as test cyp. (Self prescribed)
No AI

I feel like I'm dialing in close to injection day, super excited to inject, then post injection i start tanking again. No labido or morning wood

[lovbyts]

They taking the HCG the day after injecting test

[Score]

They taking the HCG the day after injecting test

I did inject this morning without HCG thinking it may be related, I will inject it tomorrow and see if that makes a difference. TY

[sfgiantsfan55]

fwiw , i always feel strongest in the gym on the days just before my next test inj...which, doesnt really make sense to me either.

[Score]

fwiw , i always feel strongest in the gym on the days just before my next test inj...which, doesnt really make sense to me either.

Exactly.

[Low Testosterone]

Sorry.

50mg every 3.5 days of test cyp.
250iu of HCG same injection as test cyp. (Self prescribed)
No AI

I feel like I'm dialing in close to injection day, super excited to inject, then post injection i start tanking again. No labido or morning wood

In my opinion, morning erections are not a good means to gauge the effectiveness of TRT. There are several other factors that play into morning erections that are not related to libido at all. If erection issues are an issue, they can only be deemed so when you're awake and your lack or inability to have one or maintain one. You can have the testosterone levels of a rhinoceros and still rarely have morning wood. No, I don't know if rhinos actually have really high test levels, but I'd like to assume they do

As far as your problem, lovbyts advice about injecting HCG the day after testosterone might do the trick.
Another possibility, in terms of what might be happening - you're test levels are peaking in the 12-24hr period before your next injection and you feel pretty good. However, with a two injection per week protocol, things really should be more stable than that. Another possibility, you could be aromatizing heavily for a 24hr period or so and that's why you don't feel as well. But it would have to be very heavy and short lived for this to be the case with a high fluctuation of E2 between injections. Both scenarios could be possible, somewhat unlikely but possible.

[lovbyts]

Good cover on the rhinoceros test because that's exactly what I was going to ask.

[Lifted1]

Sorry.

50mg every 3.5 days of test cyp.
250iu of HCG same injection as test cyp. (Self prescribed)
No AI
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I feel like I'm dialing in close to injection day, super excited to inject, then post injection i start tanking again. No labido or morning wood

Try taking the HCG the day after injecting test

I just started the same protocol today and happened to read this thread before my shots. Being overly cautious, I'm taking lovbyts advise and doing hcg the day after test to see how I respond. Good luck brotha

[Score]

I really liked minimizing my injections by combining them but do feel I'm losing some of the benefits of trt currently. By no means am I feeling as low as I did before trt tho. Hopefully switching helps, I will update after a few weeks.

LT, you stated its unlikely I'm aromatizing heavy for 2 days then dropping (which stinks cause it's the only explanation I or others could come up with), my question is do E levels sustain typically shorter than t levels?

Meaning if I raise both levels, which one will drop first and by how much? Feel free to generalize as I know it differs for everyone.

Also, for myself and others who've switched to a more frequent protocol (many without their doctors input), would going with a shorter ester T be a better fit? I've alway understood the long ester of test cyp is perfect for weekly or as old schooled doctors say - biweekly protocol?

[kelkel]

I'm curious what your E2 level is? I ask as I wonder if the day after injection when your test is peaking, so is your E2 and whatever threshold you cross may be enough to make your feel poorly. Just a thought!

Agree with LT. Basically I am that Rhino. I run my T levels a bit higher than most and rarely have morning wood. That said, I have no issues so who cares. Morning wood is not the barometer of your libido. Think vagina.

[Score]

Interesting info below - haven't 100% processed it yet.


The hCG stimulation test with assessment of serum testosterone (T) is used for evaluation of testicular function. This retrospective study was undertaken to estimate the diagnostic value of stimulated estradiol (E2) levels in the assessment of Leydig cell function. Serum T and E2 before and after repeated daily hCG injections in 23 adult men with clinically suspected or established primary hypogonadism were studied. After hCG administration serum T increased gradually with peak levels after 72 hours (delta84%, p=0.003). In contrast, serum E2 concentrations reached their maximal levels 24 hours after the first injection (delta168%, p=0.001). Serum T and E2 responses were more attenuated in men with LH > or =17 IU/L as compared to men with lower LH levels. Peak E2 levels after 24 hours correlated significantly with peak T levels after 3 days. We conclude that the increase in serum E2 levels 24 hours after a single hCG injection is an useful additional measure of Leydig cell function. Assessment of E2 increments would render the test procedure more practical, less time-consuming and more cost-effective than assessing peak T levels after 72 hours.

[lancerevo]

Why don't you just inject everyday? That will lessen the spike of E2 and keep all your levels much more consistent and stable.

[ebstein]

Could you just pin the HCG daily and keep the priest the same?