Giving blood every 8 weeks hemoglobin still 19.3

[jasondd1]

Ive given blood 3 times in last 4 months. Hemoglobin was 18.9(1st), 19.3(2nd &3rd time). My protocol is 60 Mg test cyp twice a week plus ipam and cjc1295 3-4 times a day. I looked back on previous bloods and saw that I was at 49.5 hematocrit before even starting trt but it doesn't seem to be coming down any. Could the peptides be increasing it even more than the test cyp? Should I donate double reds?

[J DIESEL3]

Were you hydrated when you went in for your donations? Not drinking enough water can show elevations for sure.

[2iron]

Were you hydrated when you went in for your donations? Not drinking enough water can show elevations for sure.

I feel this info is bs. Yes hydration is important but there is a bigger underlying issue than water consumption. Not trying to just pass a test want to be healthy. Donating blood should drop a point or so.

[jasondd1]

I have pretty much same deal going on... I have had red blood issues ever sense i went on trt.. I am down to doing 30mgs e3d still off the hook...I am seeing a hematologist next week on this my red blood count has been high for so long now that i have a iron overload issue now.I feel like shit my joints and muscle hurt big time..Keep this thread going i would like to know how it turns out for you..I will do the same. I go next week..My dr claims that if you leave your red blood count high for to long iron overload kicks in now ypu have double trouble..

TIM R

What is your hematoctrit or hemoglobin numbers?

[old cajun]

Im having same issues. Keep this thread going

[bigt405]

It seems this a pretty common problem. The only thing that has helped me is donating about once a month. The hydration thing helps but not much. I have been able to lower my numbers slightly by being well hydrated but only small changes. I have tried the grapefruit theory also but it did nothing. So for now it is regular trips to the donation facilities......

[jasondd1]

It seems this a pretty common problem. The only thing that has helped me is donating about once a month. The hydration thing helps but not much. I have been able to lower my numbers slightly by being well hydrated but only small changes. I have tried the grapefruit theory also but it did nothing. So for now it is regular trips to the donation facilities......

I guess I can do the same thing. Go to Community blood then 4 weeks later Red Cross then repeat

[Times Roman]

Ive given blood 3 times in last 4 months. Hemoglobin was 18.9(1st), 19.3(2nd &3rd time). My protocol is 60 Mg test cyp twice a week plus ipam and cjc1295 3-4 times a day. I looked back on previous bloods and saw that I was at 49.5 hematocrit before even starting trt but it doesn't seem to be coming down any. Could the peptides be increasing it even more than the test cyp? Should I donate double reds?

You may need to reduce your test dose rate.

it's a balancing act, a compromise, between your desire to maximize your test levels, and your bodies inability to deal with those test levels over very long periods of time. You need to find the right dose that will minimize your risk of long term side effects.

For me, it's my RBC levels too high.

I'm functionally at 80mg/ew and still have test levels in the 700's. For me, this is enough.

And I've said this before...

....with TRT, less is more.

Good luck!
---Roman

[old cajun]

Thanks Roman. Im having the same problem. Appreciate your time

[jasondd1]

Yes Roman thanks a lot. My main question is if the peptides are making it worse? And will donating double reds help?

[Bonaparte]

Yes Roman thanks a lot. My main question is if the peptides are making it worse? And will donating double reds help?

It pulls twice as many RBC's, but you can only do it half as often.

[jasondd1]

It pulls twice as many RBC's, but you can only do it half as often.

Thats why I was thinking to alternate between standard and double red every 8 weeks. Or I was thinking donating regular every 4-5 weeks.

[jasondd1]

3 weeks later just gave blood and 19 was my hemoglobin so hematocratic was 57. I'm going to try every 4 weeks or so and see what happens. I was also supplemting with iron because i was low but stopped thinking it might be making it worse.

[APIs]

I would urge you to discuss this with a medical professional. You need to get these levels under control....

[The Noose]

Is this a common problem with trt?

[2Sox]

I would urge you to discuss this with a medical professional. You need to get these levels under control....

Definitely! This will also give you access to a script for a therapeutic phlebotomy.

And it also sounds like a good idea to donate once a month - if you can find the facilities to do so.

[< <Samson> >]

And it also sounds like a good idea to donate once a month - if you can find the facilities to do so.

Or consider looking into bloodletting

[vinny t]

I had this issue in january this year my Haemoglobin was 19.8 (13-18 g/L)

Hematocrit 0.605 (0.40-0.50)

My doctor urgently referred me to a haematologist i was told to stop tr, it took 8 weekly 1 pint blood draws to get it to health range of haemaglobin 14.7 hematocrit 0.44

So in total i had 8 pints of blood drawn , 1 pint each week , Been off all testosterone for 8 months now and not given blood for last 4 months hematocrit is well in range now

[Bonaparte]

Thats why I was thinking to alternate between standard and double red every 8 weeks. Or I was thinking donating regular every 4-5 weeks.

What?
It doesn't work that way.
After each regular donation they make you wait 2 months before any type of donation.
After each double RBC donation they make you wait 4 months.
So just pick one and stick with it.

[lovbyts]

I'm trying to talk my doctor into writing me a rx for blood letting. I can not donate due to Hep B in 1990 and my RBC has been in the high 5s for a long time, a couple of years at least. Typically it's 5.60 to 5.95, range 4.5 - 6.0

Hmmm I just noticed my last blood test my RDW was quite high, 18 range 11.5 - 15. All the times before that it was fine. Shows low iron so maybe it was a fluke. Time to get it checked again I guess.

[jasondd1]

But I have 2 blood banks I alternate with. Red Cross, and the Community blood blank so yeah I can go every 4 weeks and throw a double red as well if I need.

What?
It doesn't work that way.
After each regular donation they make you wait 2 months before any type of donation.
After each double RBC donation they make you wait 4 months.
So just pick one and stick with it.

[bigt405]

But I have 2 blood banks I alternate with. Red Cross, and the Community blood blank so yeah I can go every 4 weeks and throw a double red as well if I need.

I do the same thing donate redcross then four weeks later go to lifesouth......been working for me

[bigt405]

Donated today and my hemoglobin was 18.1 the best I have had in over a year, but I have also been donating every four weeks for the last six months.

[Times Roman]

What?
It doesn't work that way.
After each regular donation they make you wait 2 months before any type of donation.
After each double RBC donation they make you wait 4 months.
So just pick one and stick with it.

I think you can cheat?

you can donate every 8 weeks at delta blood, and...
...without them knowing, you can stagger your donations with the Red Cross every eight weeks as well.

I'm not sure their data bases are linked?

When I was in Afghanistan, (as if they knew what the hell they were doing) they allowed a full liter every three months. a liter is about two pints. no water, no cookie, just walk down two flights of stairs on these marble steps without a handrail and off you go!

[Times Roman]

Ive given blood 3 times in last 4 months. Hemoglobin was 18.9(1st), 19.3(2nd &3rd time). My protocol is 60 Mg test cyp twice a week plus ipam and cjc1295 3-4 times a day. I looked back on previous bloods and saw that I was at 49.5 hematocrit before even starting trt but it doesn't seem to be coming down any. Could the peptides be increasing it even more than the test cyp? Should I donate double reds?

but whether you decide to cheat and donate monthly or not, it still sounds like you need to drop your test C dose. this is for the rest of your life. find a dose you can live with for however many years you plan on sticking around, and go with it.

[jasondd1]

So gave blood today after 9.5 weeks and hemoglobin 20.1. they were like sorry over 20 cant donate. So they took it again 19.9 and i gave blood. I really think it's the peptides(ipam and cjc1295 no dac) because I ramped them up in the last month and boom 20.1. Going to taper down peptides, reduce test from 60 mg 2 times a week to 50 and try every 4 weeks.

[2Sox]

So gave blood today after 9.5 weeks and hemoglobin 20.1. they were like sorry over 20 cant donate. So they took it again 19.9 and i gave blood. I really think it's the peptides(ipam and cjc1295 no dac) because I ramped them up in the last month and boom 20.1. Going to taper down peptides, reduce test from 60 mg 2 times a week to 50 and try every 4 weeks.

To my knowledge, GHRPs do not affect hemoglobin readings. Where did you get this information from? Also, where do you give blood? The Red Cross does not test for hemoglobin levels - only for iron level.

[kelkel]

Hemo / iron pretty much the same thing. Hemo is what iron is transported in. Seems most of the workers at blood banks say Iron but it's hemo they're testing. Whenever I give blood they have a space right on their slip for hemo level. Then just take your hemo x 3 for your hct level.

[maddad]

Not to hijack this great thread but I have surgery this week on my elbow. Will this effect my ability to donate? I checked the red cross website it was very vague and said to discuss with your health historian at time of donation.

[jasondd1]

Not to hijack this great thread but I have surgery this week on my elbow. Will this effect my ability to donate? I checked the red cross website it was very vague and said to discuss with your health historian at time of donation.

If we answered completely 100% honestly none of us would be able to donate. I'm not telling you what to do but unless you some how needed a blood transfusion during this surgery i wouldn't mention it.

[xcraider37]

Donated today and my hemoglobin was 18.1 the best I have had in over a year, but I have also been donating every four weeks for the last six months.

I have been told those machine's red cross uses are not completely accurate if I were you I would go get a CBC, and verify your correct number, you may be lower than think, not saying you still don't need to donate. I just like accurate blood work.

[17chester6]

Hemo / iron pretty much the same thing. Hemo is what iron is transported in. Seems most of the workers at blood banks say Iron but it's hemo they're testing. Whenever I give blood they have a space right on their slip for hemo level. Then just take your hemo x 3 for your hct level.

Im at T. cypionate 60 mg SC twice weekly and my haemoglobin has not really changed much. I donate just in case my haemoglobin surges. I go every eight weeks to Canadian Blood Services and they take a unit (about 500 ml). My haemoglobin hovers at 145 (14.5 to you guys) and was 135 pre testosteone.
But my ferritin (iron levels) have dropped and I am borderline iron deficient. You can have a high haemoglobin and low iron (the red blood cells will be small... called hyopchromic microcytic RBC). I would suggest that the frequent donors check their iron levels and supplement as needed.

[2Sox]

Hemo / iron pretty much the same thing. Hemo is what iron is transported in. Seems most of the workers at blood banks say Iron but it's hemo they're testing. Whenever I give blood they have a space right on their slip for hemo level. Then just take your hemo x 3 for your hct level.

Hmmm. I'm confused about this. A while back my iron and ferritin were extremely low and yet my HGB - hemoglobin, RBC, HCT were well within range. If what you say is correct, this shouldn't have been the case. Yes? Had to supplement with iron pills for awhile.

[kelkel]

Neat article here by my girlfriend:

How To Cycle Safely by Observing Blood Counts

[lovbyts]

Neat article here by my girlfriend:

How To Cycle Safely by Observing Blood Counts

Your girlfriend is Austinite's mom???
Or are you saying he is your B*tch? hehehehe

[Bonaparte]

Im at T. cypionate 60 mg SC twice weekly and my haemoglobin has not really changed much. I donate just in case my haemoglobin surges. I go every eight weeks to Canadian Blood Services and they take a unit (about 500 ml). My haemoglobin hovers at 145 (14.5 to you guys) and was 135 pre testosteone.
But my ferritin (iron levels) have dropped and I am borderline iron deficient. You can have a high haemoglobin and low iron (the red blood cells will be small... called hyopchromic microcytic RBC). I would suggest that the frequent donors check their iron levels and supplement as needed.

A lack of iron in your RBCs would directly translate into a low hemoglobin reading, since it measures the mass of total hemoglobin per unit of blood (and your body won't produce hemoglobin without sufficient iron to bind to it).
If you suffer from iron deficiency anemia, (assuming hematocrit readings are normal) your hemoglobin would be the main one to take a hit (along with MCV (mean corpuscular volume). RBCs would be high.