Whats the latest and greatest HCG protocol?

[spacemon]

I was just reading the HCG sticky and some older posts via the search engine and was wondering what the latest HCG protocols being subscribed are?

It seems they are always changing. According to some of the posts I have read Dr. Crisler was prescribing 250iu HCG to be injected SubQ two days before and the day before their weekly Test C injection. Is this still being recommended? I see others inject small amounts every day and others are doing 3x a week.

[kelkel]

It's really personal preference anymore. With the once per week T protocol the purpose of HCG 2 and 1 day prior is for the added bump in test as what's left from your injection is beginning to fade. Other than that it's really what fits your lifestyle. 2-3 times per week or low dose daily is all effective. I go M-W-F and skip weekends from any injections.

[spacemon]

It's really personal preference anymore. With the once per week T protocol the purpose of HCG 2 and 1 day prior is for the added bump in test as what's left from your injection is beginning to fade. Other than that it's really what fits your lifestyle. 2-3 times per week or low dose daily is all effective. I go M-W-F and skip weekends from any injections.

So you inject HCG on M-W-F ? When do you do your T injection? At what doses?

Thanks for the reply.

[kelkel]

Yes, M-W-F. T injections are Monday and Thursday. With a twice per week T protocol simply pick 2 or 3 days for your hcg and "stick" with it. Doesn't really matter as long as consistent. No need to over complicate it.

[Rjay]

Has hcg been beneficial for your libido? Im looking to start with it fairly soon

[Lifted1]

ive been doing my hcg the day after my t injections the last 6 weeks and it seems to work just fine.

[spacemon]

Has hcg been beneficial for your libido? Im looking to start with it fairly soon

I just started HCG so its to soon to tell.

[spacemon]

ive been doing my hcg the day after my t injections the last 6 weeks and it seems to work just fine.

Thanks for the input. I inject T once every 4 days.

Anyone recommend a starting dose to eliminate my nut ache? That's the reason I am starting HCG in the first place.

[cad78]

I changed from 100mg test cyp every 3.5 days with no hcg , to 15mg test cyp every day in same needle as 125iu hcg and 125mcg methyl b12. I don't feel all that different, and my total test is 300 points lower. My testes are back to full size, after not using hcg for my first 18 months of TRT. They never really hurt, but they were awfully small. I will get more blood work soon, to see how my sensitive e2 is. I've stop taking an AI since going to daily injections 8 weeks ago, and hope I can continue without it.

[Lifted1]

Thanks for the input. I inject T once every 4 days.

Anyone recommend a starting dose to eliminate my nut ache? That's the reason I am starting HCG in the first place.

im doing 250iu's twice a week, but you might want to do a 250iu's mwf like kel suggested to help get your issue resolved stat lol

[spacemon]

Yes, M-W-F. T injections are Monday and Thursday. With a twice per week T protocol simply pick 2 or 3 days for your hcg and "stick" with it. Doesn't really matter as long as consistent. No need to over complicate it.

So this is what I am thinking I will do weekly. I have been injecting 100mg Test C every 4 days but my nuts hurt so I will lower my T dose and add in HCG . New blood work in 5 weeks.

150mg Test C spilt in 2 doses
750 iu HCG (Corion) split in 3 doses
2mg Anastrozole split in 2 doses

Mon- Test 75mg and 250iu HCG
Tue- 1mg AI
Wed- 250 iu HCG
Thu- 75mg Test C
Fri- 250iu HCG and 1mg AI
Sat- none
Sun- none

[Rjay]

What AI are you using? That seems like a lot

[Lifted1]

I changed from 100mg test cyp every 3.5 days with no hcg , to 15mg test cyp every day in same needle as 125iu hcg and 125mcg methyl b12. I don't feel all that different, and my total test is 300 points lower. My testes are back to full size, after not using hcg for my first 18 months of TRT. They never really hurt, but they were awfully small. I will get more blood work soon, to see how my sensitive e2 is. I've stop taking an AI since going to daily injections 8 weeks ago, and hope I can continue without it.

you cut your weekly dose in half so your numbers are going to come down, but so should your e2. free T what really matters tho

[spacemon]

What AI are you using? That seems like a lot

Anastrozole 1mg tabs. I have been on this dose for a while and my E has not crashed. Its actually on the higher side at 40. I split my T dose to help lower my E as well. Now I gotta add in HCG cuz my balls are sore.

[Lifted1]

So this is what I am thinking I will do weekly. I have been injecting 100mg Test C every 4 days but my nuts hurt so I will lower my T dose and add in HCG . New blood work in 5 weeks.

150mg Test C spilt in 2 doses
750 iu HCG (Corion) split in 3 doses
2mg Anastrozole split in 2 doses

Mon- Test 75mg and 250iu HCG
Tue- 1mg AI
Wed- 250 iu HCG
Thu- 75mg Test C
Fri- 250iu HCG and 1mg AI
Sat- none
Sun- none

that looks like a solid plan for the next six weeks, then do some bw and adjust!

[kelkel]

So this is what I am thinking I will do weekly. I have been injecting 100mg Test C every 4 days but my nuts hurt so I will lower my T dose and add in HCG . New blood work in 5 weeks.

150mg Test C spilt in 2 doses
750 iu HCG (Corion) split in 3 doses
2mg Anastrozole split in 2 doses

Mon- Test 75mg and 250iu HCG
Tue- 1mg AI
Wed- 250 iu HCG
Thu- 75mg Test C
Fri- 250iu HCG and 1mg AI
Sat- none
Sun- none

What are your Total T, Free T and E2 numbers at your current dose?

[spacemon]

[spacemon]

What are your Total T, Free T and E2 numbers at your current dose?

This was not an E2 sensitive essay...

200mg Test C and 3mg Anastrozole weekly 7/14/14

Estrodial = 40 (0-56 pg/mL)
Total T = 728 (241-827 range ng/dL)
Free T = 27 (5-40 pg/mL)
Hematocrit 49.6 (39-50%)

[kelkel]

Numbers are fine, except for HCT (give blood)
Assume BW was a week after injection?
That's a ton of adex for that amount of test. You must aromatize heavily.

[APIs]

I now do 250 ius on Tuesdays and Thursdays for simplification. I tried M-W-F for months, but didnt see any difference...

[spacemon]

Numbers are fine, except for HCT (give blood)
Assume BW was a week after injection?
That's a ton of adex for that amount of test. You must aromatize heavily.

Thanks for the help once again kel,
BW was a week after injection AND a week after a whole blood donation. I will give double reds next time. I have also split my T dosage into bi-weekly injections and started taking aspirin to manage E2 and crit levels.

I have been taking 200mg Test C weekly but I figure I will lower it to 150mg since I am adding in HCG to the mix. Does this sound reasonable?

[spacemon]

I now do 250 ius on Tuesdays and Thursdays for simplification. I tried M-W-F for months, but didnt see any difference...

Thats good info. So do you inject T on Tuesday and Thursday as well?

[APIs]

Thats good info. So do you inject T on Tuesday and Thursday as well?

No, I dose Test Cyp every 4 days on a rolling basis so injection days are different every week...

[spacemon]

No, I dose Test Cyp every 4 days on a rolling basis so injection days are different every week...

Thats exactly what I have been doing... 100mg every 4 days on a rolling basis

[jasondd1]

100 iu every night.

[kelkel]

I have been taking 200mg Test C weekly but I figure I will lower it to 150mg since I am adding in HCG to the mix. Does this sound reasonable?

Yes. It's trial and error to see how you respond. Just stay up on your BW to make educated changes..

[2Sox]

Thanks for the help once again kel,
BW was a week after injection AND a week after a whole blood donation. I will give double reds next time. I have also split my T dosage into bi-weekly injections and started taking aspirin to manage E2 and crit levels.

I have been taking 200mg Test C weekly but I figure I will lower it to 150mg since I am adding in HCG to the mix. Does this sound reasonable?

I've commented on this previously. I think you T dose is too high and if you are lowering it to 150mg/week, I'd suggest you reconsider you AI dose. Adex is strong stuff and you may find yourself in the gutter in no time. I'd advise you cultivate a healthy respect for this stuff. Tell your doctor to give you the E2 Sensitive Assay. Don't believe the story that the lab doesn't do it. Tell him/her to use another lab. I did just that recently with my doctor. Unless you know how to convert female E2 numbers to male, the number you gave isn't really useful to most of us.

Something I always have to remind myself about TRT is what I learned here: "Less is more". The problem with starting with such a high dose - such as you did - is that it's tough to backtrack to find out if a lower dose would have done just fine for you. Very often, higher doses bring along a lot of other bad stuff.

[spacemon]

I've commented on this previously. I think you T dose is too high and if you are lowering it to 150mg/week, I'd suggest you reconsider you AI dose. Adex is strong stuff and you may find yourself in the gutter in no time. I'd advise you cultivate a healthy respect for this stuff. Tell your doctor to give you the E2 Sensitive Assay. Don't believe the story that the lab doesn't do it. Tell him/her to use another lab. I did just that recently with my doctor. Unless you know how to convert female E2 numbers to male, the number you gave isn't really useful to most of us. Something I always have to remind myself about TRT is what I learned here: "Less is more". The problem with starting with such a high dose - such as you did - is that it's tough to backtrack to find out if a lower dose would have done just fine for you. Very often, higher doses bring along a lot of other bad stuff.

Yes you have and I appreciate the feedback. I will take any help I can get. I have actually reduced my weekly dosage of T and Adex and reintroduced HCG into my protocol because of the information and help of this forum. My next bloods I am going to pony up for a Labcorp E2 sensitive test out of pocket.

[kelkel]

I've commented on this previously. I think you T dose is too high and if you are lowering it to 150mg/week, I'd suggest you reconsider you AI dose. Adex is strong stuff and you may find yourself in the gutter in no time. I'd advise you cultivate a healthy respect for this stuff. Tell your doctor to give you the E2 Sensitive Assay. Don't believe the story that the lab doesn't do it. Tell him/her to use another lab. I did just that recently with my doctor. Unless you know how to convert female E2 numbers to male, the number you gave isn't really useful to most of us.

Something I always have to remind myself about TRT is what I learned here: "Less is more". The problem with starting with such a high dose - such as you did - is that it's tough to backtrack to find out if a lower dose would have done just fine for you. Very often, higher doses bring along a lot of other bad stuff.

Very well said.

Yes you have and I appreciate the feedback. I will take any help I can get. I have actually reduced my weekly dosage of T and Adex and reintroduced HCG into my protocol because of the information and help of this forum. My next bloods I am going to pony up for a Labcorp E2 sensitive test out of pocket.

About $219 I believe...