I think my urologist is an idiot.

**bruary17** · 12-15-2014, 07:32 AM

So he prescribed the shots for me - Test Cyp. 200mg shots bi-weekly....id go into his office and his nurse would administer the shot.....he tested my levels at 4-5 days after the shot when he said they'd peak, they were at 1167. Then, he tested them at the end of the two weeks just before my second shot and they had dropped to 214.

When I went into his office to discuss this, I told him it was my understanding that you don't want a roller-coaster effect when taking TRT, you want stable levels all the time, right?

I also told him I felt great when my levels peaked at 1167. I told him I was very easily aroused in my sex life and feeling great, but when my levels dropped to 214 I told him I felt it and think I also had some slight issues getting it hard....and my energy did seem to take a hit as well....having told Him all this he still wants me on his original protocol of 200mg bi-weekly.

I'm requesting a new urologist or endo and in the mean time I think I'm going to administer my shots at home....and run them at 200mgs a week....I can do so since my original script was a 20wk. supply.

Is this guy off his rocker or what? Am I right?

**johnny the blade** · 12-15-2014, 07:57 AM

I started off the same way. Then I convinced my endo to let me do at home injections, citing cost and convenience as my reason, and adjusted my protocol to 100mg per week on my own. Utilize this site for knowledge and direction, it's a great resource.

**Beethoven** · 12-15-2014, 08:08 AM

I would try 100 mgs a week while finding a new Dr. If you've already tried talking to him and he is still hell bent on the original protocol then move on.

**Low Testosterone** · 12-15-2014, 09:29 AM

Yes, your urologist is off base. No one can maintain stable testosterone levels with an injection once every two weeks regardless of the total dose being administered. Your levels will always fluctuate dramatically with this type of protocol. Side effects can also become a little more problematic in such cases, not always but there seems to be an increase in probability.

**kelkel** · 12-15-2014, 09:33 AM

Is there any more to your current doctors protocol, or just test?

**bruary17** · 12-15-2014, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Is there any more to your current doctors protocol, or just test?

Just Test Cyp. bi-weekly.

**bruary17** · 12-15-2014, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by bruary17

Just Test Cyp. bi-weekly.

What would you do in my shoes?

200mgs. Weekly or 100?

Also, I don't want this to be a life long commitment. I'm going to run a maintenance dose then blast for 12 weeks and PCT w/some clomid.

**kelkel** · 12-15-2014, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by bruary17

What would you do in my shoes?

200mgs. Weekly or 100?

Also, I don't want this to be a life long commitment. I'm going to run a maintenance dose then blast for 12 weeks and PCT w/some clomid.

First and foremost you need to decide whether you need TRT or not, as it is a life-long commitment. If you're body isn't making enough test on its own and the issue is not fixable then you need TRT. Otherwise you just go back to your prior low levels. Be happy it's available to us. Our parents generation suffered without it.

Regarding your dosage, very few actually need 200 mgs per week unless you have hyper-excreter tendencies. With a higher dose comes more sides and the goal of TRT is to minimize them. I would definitely start at 100 like Beethoven said and go from there. In the meantime I'd be searching for another doctor who understands hormones and the need for HCG and possibly an AI.

Remember, if frequent injections are not to your liking consider Nebido (Aveed) which is now approved in the states. After your initial dose and subsequent booster shot at 6 weeks, you then only have one shot every 10 weeks or so based on BW.

**bruary17** · 12-15-2014, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

First and foremost you need to decide whether you need TRT or not, as it is a life-long commitment. If you're body isn't making enough test on its own and the issue is not fixable then you need TRT. Otherwise you just go back to your prior low levels. Be happy it's available to us. Our parents generation suffered without it.

Regarding your dosage, very few actually need 200 mgs per week unless you have hyper-excreter tendencies. With a higher dose comes more sides and the goal of TRT is to minimize them. I would definitely start at 100 like Beethoven said and go from there. In the meantime I'd be searching for another doctor who understands hormones and the need for HCG and possibly an AI.

Remember, if frequent injections are not to your liking consider Nebido (Aveed) which is now approved in the states. After your initial dose and subsequent booster shot at 6 weeks, you then only have one shot every 10 weeks or so based on BW.

I do have lower levels for my age (35) and I did sort of feel a lower energy and drive....but mostly my progress in the gym suffered....or came to a halt I should say. And that is truly the sole reason I decided to go through with this.

I'm in really good shape, I out-wind most kids that are 10 years younger than me and for the amount of dedication I was applying in the gym as well as to my diet....I felt like I needed the boost.

Anyway, I can live with my low-T. I just wanted to throw some more quality meat on my bones and keep it. My goal is to maintenance dose for about 6 months, then blast, then PCT. but I will start today at 100mgs a week. Thank you for the info and thank you, Beethoven.

**Baxter35** · 12-15-2014, 01:01 PM

If you tested low enough to qualify for trt, then you need trt. I know you said you can live with low T, but I think you'll be surprised how much better you feel with your T levels up where they should be. I disagree with your plan to go on then come off. Even if you goal I just to build muscle, I hate to tell you but when you come off your already low T will be all but non-existent and your gains will go away fast. As already mentioned, if avoiding shots is what's holding you back, look into aveed/nebido.

**Times Roman** · 12-15-2014, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by bruary17

So he prescribed the shots for me - Test Cyp. 200mg shots bi-weekly....id go into his office and his nurse would administer the shot.....he tested my levels at 4-5 days after the shot when he said they'd peak, they were at 1167. Then, he tested them at the end of the two weeks just before my second shot and they had dropped to 214.

When I went into his office to discuss this, I told him it was my understanding that you don't want a roller-coaster effect when taking TRT, you want stable levels all the time, right?

I also told him I felt great when my levels peaked at 1167. I told him I was very easily aroused in my sex life and feeling great, but when my levels dropped to 214 I told him I felt it and think I also had some slight issues getting it hard....and my energy did seem to take a hit as well....having told Him all this he still wants me on his original protocol of 200mg bi-weekly.

I'm requesting a new urologist or endo and in the mean time I think I'm going to administer my shots at home....and run them at 200mgs a week....I can do so since my original script was a 20wk. supply.

Is this guy off his rocker or what? Am I right?

You think your Urologist is an idiot??

Why do you say that?

.............did he "PISS" you off?