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    Question Clomiphen for HRT? high estrogen on TRT?

    Hi!

    I have 2questions:

    1. In new studies it is found that clomiphene is good and safe variant of treating low test symptoms and fertility issues. What is the best patient to start treatment solely with clom.? First thing is certainly young adults who want to preserve fertility. So why do young adults use it so seldom? why is test i/m and hcg is primary for majority?
    2. Several of my colleagues say that estrogen never rises on TRT. But they haven't measured )). So when you treat patients with susta 250 once in 2-3week or nebido once in 4week and test is in physiological levels will the estrogen rise?

    Thanks!

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    Yes, clomid is proven effective.
    Yes, if fertility is a major concern it's a good option.
    Some like the idea of having a better chance of returning to so called "normal" endogenous levels upon cessation of clomid without trying a re-start.

    Why test? Because it's simple, proven effective and subjectively seems to make people feel better than many other alternatives, such as clomid, HCG Mono, Gels, etc. Also, for some who are secondary hypogonadal clomid therapy does not achieve the levels they are trying to reach.

    Your colleagues are clueless. If test rises, estrogen follows. It's really that simple. And Sust is not really viable for hormone replacement therapy. Nebido, or Aveed in the states, is good stuff but it's not dosed every 4 weeks. And yes, test goes up, estrogen will follow regardless of what type of therapy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel
    Yes, clomid is proven effective. Yes, if fertility is a major concern it's a good option. Some like the idea of having a better chance of returning to so called "normal" endogenous levels upon cessation of clomid without trying a re-start. Why test? Because it's simple, proven effective and subjectively seems to make people feel better than many other alternatives, such as clomid, HCG Mono, Gels, etc. Also, for some who are secondary hypogonadal clomid therapy does not achieve the levels they are trying to reach. Your colleagues are clueless. If test rises, estrogen follows. It's really that simple. And Sust is not really viable for hormone replacement therapy. Nebido, or Aveed in the states, is good stuff but it's not dosed every 4 weeks. And yes, test goes up, estrogen will follow regardless of what type of therapy.
    Dont mean to high jack this thread but I would like to know if its possible to throw in a few mg of Clomid in the mix every once in a while on TRT?
    Will clomid have any benefit on the body?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPimpin76 View Post
    Dont mean to high jack this thread but I would like to know if its possible to throw in a few mg of Clomid in the mix every once in a while on TRT?
    Will clomid have any benefit on the body?

    Kind regards from the Beef Department
    It won't do a thing for you while on exogenous testosterone .
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel
    It won't do a thing for you while on exogenous testosterone.
    Not even for well being in some way??

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    No. As long as on exo-T the clomid will not cause any type of stimulation at the hypothalamus resulting in any productivity from your pituitary. It simply can't over-power the exo-T. Think about it, if it worked everyone on a cycle would simply use clomid during said cycle rendering pct useless.
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