Self medicating my trt

[Rydney]

Was going to try TRT, friend who has access to such things gave me enough Trinibol for 30 mg for 6 weeks, then a bunch of Clomid for as long as needed after that. I tried just Clomid but honestly started thinking I was going bat shit crazy-like crying spells and feelings of absolute worthlessness on every level, very unsettling. So he said do Trinibol to get T levels up first and fast, then Clomid. Should Clomid dosage be as high as I see in some PCT cycles because of the Trinibol, or is a standard trt Clomid dosage okay?

Any and all thoughts appreciated, thanks.

[IncreaseMyT]

How old are you?

[Rydney]

41, 42 in October

[IncreaseMyT]

Going on and off at your age may not be worth it. Can you give your history? Meds etc?

[Rydney]

doc just told me i was at 450 t level when i went because of some ED issues, but those are apparently psychological. i don't have any other numbers from the doc. she was going to send me to an endocrinologist but then this became an option. i think my levels are low and have been for some time because about 12 years ago when most of the prohormones were legal i got a serum from a store in vegas that was so insanely balls out intense i had to be actively lifting or grappling within 30 minutes of taking it or i would have a crying spell, a bad one. i stopped taking that stuff after a few weeks because i couldn't handle it anymore but i didn't know anything about pct and know that stuff had something very real and very illigal in it, so that is my guess on where my low t comes from, but other than that idk

[Rydney]

Going on and off which, the Turinabol or the Clomid, and by going off to do you mean one or both should be taken forever?

[IncreaseMyT]

Anything suppressive. At your age when you come off you leave yourself at risk for a host of problems. Testosterone and other hormonal deficiencies affect your ability to manage blood sugar levels and cholesterol.

450 TT isn't bad but who knows if your free T was low or estrogen really low, new studies are showing that low E2 causes just as many problems as low T and we see that a lot now.

My point is get your lab work, go on TRT and get testosterone or whatever that thorough lab work dictates. What will turinabol do? Based on your history, I have seen some of the most wrecked HPTA's form pro-hormones, it sounds like low dose long term physician monitored TRT might be best for you.

You will have less sides, feel better and be legal.

So..... lab work for you Lots of ways you can get it, if you need help we can schedule you at a service center near you.

Hope this helps.

[Rydney]

That was a question I forgot to ask, where can someone get their blood work done... don't really want to have to explain to my doc why my levels went up if I get work done through her again.

[Rydney]

Oh, and what about the Clomid? Not suppressive, just the opposite suppposedly but what is up with the emotional sides of that shit? Seriously.

[IncreaseMyT]

We can send you out to a quest location near you. They are everywhere. Email me and I can set you up if you would like, you can even print your invoice when your done and submit to your insurance if you would like.

[email protected]

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[IncreaseMyT]

Oh, and what about the Clomid? Not suppressive, just the opposite suppposedly but what is up with the emotional sides of that shit? Seriously.

Never seen many people have great results with Clomid personally, yea it increases your TT levels and is perfect for a restart, but for mono-therapy it usually just doesn't alleviate symptoms.

[Rydney]

Awesome, thank you.

[Youthful55guy]

Was going to try TRT, friend who has access to such things gave me enough Trinibol for 30 mg for 6 weeks, then a bunch of Clomid for as long as needed after that. I tried just Clomid but honestly started thinking I was going bat shit crazy-like crying spells and feelings of absolute worthlessness on every level, very unsettling. So he said do Trinibol to get T levels up first and fast, then Clomid. Should Clomid dosage be as high as I see in some PCT cycles because of the Trinibol, or is a standard trt Clomid dosage okay?

Any and all thoughts appreciated, thanks.

This has me really confused, but perhaps i just don't understand what You want to do. If TRT is your goal, why use an anabolic steroid (Trinbol) instead of Testosterone ? Trinibol is going to suppress natural production. So going on and off of it will be a hormonal roller coaster, particularly if you don't want to use clomid at the end of the cycle.

[kelkel]

then a bunch of Clomid for as long as needed after that.

How much is "a bunch of clomid?" And don't listen to your friend any further as he's not helping you. Do what IncreaseMyT recommended. Your health and hormonal balance is important.

[Rydney]

This has me really confused, but perhaps i just don't understand what You want to do. If TRT is your goal, why use an anabolic steroid (Trinbol) instead of Testosterone? Trinibol is going to suppress natural production. So going on and off of it will be a hormonal roller coaster, particularly if you don't want to use clomid at the end of the cycle.

How much is "a bunch of clomid?" And don't listen to your friend any further as he's not helping you. Do what IncreaseMyT recommended. Your health and hormonal balance is important.

Thought Trinibol would up the T levels, and won't Testosterone suppress natural production too? I guess I hadn't considered going on T and never going off of it again at 41. Doesn't that mean I'm giving up on my hair and ball sack for the rest of my life?

And wanted to start a new thread but maybe this can get answered here: At 41 it sounds like Clomid might not do anything for me? Is that accurate? At a certain age there just isn't anything to "re-start."

I'm still planning on giving Clomid a try if it will re-start me, but I would like thoughts on if that is only for younger guys who have more to re-start than I do.

Thanks.

[ppwc1985]

Thought Trinibol would up the T levels, and won't Testosterone suppress natural production too? I guess I hadn't considered going on T and never going off of it again at 41. Doesn't that mean I'm giving up on my hair and ball sack for the rest of my life? And wanted to start a new thread but maybe this can get answered here: At 41 it sounds like Clomid might not do anything for me? Is that accurate? At a certain age there just isn't anything to "re-start." I'm still planning on giving Clomid a try if it will re-start me, but I would like thoughts on if that is only for younger guys who have more to re-start than I do. Thanks.

Dude, do you want to feel right(Normal)? You need bloodwork, and if you need trt than that's what happens. All this clomid and this and that. Your playing with your health. The only proper way to get you where you need to be is get with a good Dr. And no trt isn't going to get rid of your balls and hair, it is just replacing what your body can't provide no longer. Bloodwork, that's what you need at this point.

[IncreaseMyT]

Thought Trinibol would up the T levels, and won't Testosterone suppress natural production too? .

No sorry unfortunately thats not how it works. Oral AAS are suppressive to your endogenous testosterone levels . So when you take something like that you lower your T levels to almost nothing. not good because now you have no T in your system to do the daily tasks it is responsible for.

If you don't like needles we have a no-needle program that works pretty darn good, obviously T injections are the safest most effective way to go (Injected TRT earns high marks for safety, effectiveness | Urology Times), but our no-needle program comes in a close 2nd or 3rd.

[Youthful55guy]

Thought Trinibol would up the T levels, and won't Testosterone suppress natural production too? I guess I hadn't considered going on T and never going off of it again at 41. Doesn't that mean I'm giving up on my hair and ball sack for the rest of my life?

And wanted to start a new thread but maybe this can get answered here: At 41 it sounds like Clomid might not do anything for me? Is that accurate? At a certain age there just isn't anything to "re-start."

I'm still planning on giving Clomid a try if it will re-start me, but I would like thoughts on if that is only for younger guys who have more to re-start than I do.

Thanks.

First off, I hope you haven't started taking these drugs. You need to do a lot more research to understand what you are doing before your start, if you start at all. I'm not trying to be demeaning, but the statements you make here obviously mean you don't understand these drugs at all. I'll try to clear a few things up, but there's way too much confusion to sort out in a single post.

* I'm assuming by Tinibol (probably some sort of trade name), you mean Trenbolone , or Tren for short in the bodybuilding world. Tren is a very potent anabolic hormone and HIGHLY supressive of natural T production. One cycle and you'll no doubt be messed up for months (if not years) without some sort of PCT. IT DOES NOT INCREASE NATURAL T, IT HIGHLY SUPPRESSES IT. That is why bodybuilders almost always supplement with T while taking Tren, otherwise they get a really bad case of ED and a lot of other Low T symptoms. Enough said?

* Tren does not aromatize to E, but gynocomastia (bitch tits) can still happen as a side effect, particularly if you supplement with T and don't adequately control E. Tren can increase prolactin output and prolactin when combined with with high E is a recipe for gyno.

* Tren is highly androgenic (more so than T), so if you are worried about hair loss with T because of genetics, you should be more worried with Tren.

* You say you are worried about losing your balls with T, again, Tren is highly supressive of natural T production by feeding back negatively on the HPTA (just like T). Without LH/FSH, your balls will shrink up without some form of intervention (like Clomid or HCG ). This usually becomes noticeable after about 4 weeks of TRT (probably the same with Tren).

* Tren is notorious for causing night sweats, anxiety, rapid heart rate and insomnia. It is recommended that guys start with the shorter acting Tren-Acetate version of the drug so that if these other side effects occur, you can stop and the drug leaves your system quite rapidly (though the HPTA suppression will probably linger for some time).

* You spoke of using Clomid, but at what dose and for how long? Typically, most guys use HCG to help prevent testicular atrophy while on TRT, but it is expensive. Many guys are using clomid successfully at low doses (around 12 mg per day) in it's place. I did an experiment for about 6 weeks, and it does seem to work without the estrogenic side-effects of higher doses, but I find that HCG is more effective. I am currently experimenting with combining the two to see if clomid can augment HCG, but that experiment is only a few days old, so I can't report anything.

BOTTOM LINE: Don't rely on your buddy to give you hormone replacement advice or simply use his left over drugs. Get help from a qualified doctor that knows and understands male hormone replacement. You need to have proper labs before and during treatment and never make changes to your protocol without thoroughly researching what you are doing to your body and have supporting labs.

[Rydney]

I greatly appreciate the time everyone has taken to educate me on all this. Deeply appreciate it.

I knew I was a novice at all this but didn't know I was that much of a novice, thank you again.

Just an fyi, not Trenbolone , it was an oral form of Trinibol. I actually tried an oral for of Trenbolone for a week and it was too much. Now, just so you don't think I'm going to kill myself with these drugs, the idea was to get myself back into some type of shape on a short cycle, if you can even call what I was doing a cycle, to get some energy back, lose a little fat, etc. I was not doing it for T increase but I did think it increased T, so thank you all for education on that one. This makes sense as to what may or may not have happened to my T levels over a decade ago when all those pro hormones were legal and especially what happened when I took that "legal" syrum that had something truly mind blowing in it.

So thank you, gonna go see my doc now.

I clicked on your screen name IncreaseMyT but it doesn't let me access your page to send a pm.

[IncreaseMyT]

I greatly appreciate the time everyone has taken to educate me on all this. Deeply appreciate it.

I knew I was a novice at all this but didn't know I was that much of a novice, thank you again.

Just an fyi, not Trenbolone , it was an oral form of Trinibol. I actually tried an oral for of Trenbolone for a week and it was too much. Now, just so you don't think I'm going to kill myself with these drugs, the idea was to get myself back into some type of shape on a short cycle, if you can even call what I was doing a cycle, to get some energy back, lose a little fat, etc. I was not doing it for T increase but I did think it increased T, so thank you all for education on that one. This makes sense as to what may or may not have happened to my T levels over a decade ago when all those pro hormones were legal and especially what happened when I took that "legal" syrum that had something truly mind blowing in it.

So thank you, gonna go see my doc now.

I clicked on your screen name IncreaseMyT but it doesn't let me access your page to send a pm.

Just shoot me an email [email protected] I am here now and will answer any questions you have right away.

We can get your labs set up asap you can take them tomorrow if you'd like.

[ryobi1]

Dude you have lots of advice here, definately dont listen to your buddy,
he might have some ideas, but if you wont go to get labs done then at
the very least do some research, its all available here or on the www.
im shocked you havent searched turinabol , or oral turinabol would be
a better name,

Turnabol as far as i understand it will not increase total t, but stops
some of the t from binding to sbhg, and thus might make more t available,
depending on dosage, this might be significant, but i doubt it, I am on trt, and
have used turinabol, but a fairly low dosage, 20mg for 3 weeks, 30 for 2,
it did take awhile for it to kick in, which brings me to another point, how valid is the
product, it is only ugl produced, so you really dont know what youre getting.

research and blood work, along with a good doctor, again, very hard to find,
especially one that will be open to you bringing him facts about, and questioning
him on his knowledge of trt. you know the saying, doctor knows best,
but you know reality, they know so little, especially about trt..
I highly dont think turinabol would be classed as a trt protocol drug.
if you are just wanting to do a cycle, then refer to the steroid user and cycle page, or
search out turinabol cycle, you should get an idea on a pct protocol there as well.

[Rydney]

Dude you have lots of advice here, definately dont listen to your buddy,
he might have some ideas, but if you wont go to get labs done then at
the very least do some research, its all available here or on the www.
im shocked you havent searched turinabol , or oral turinabol would be
a better name,

Turnabol as far as i understand it will not increase total t, but stops
some of the t from binding to sbhg, and thus might make more t available,
depending on dosage, this might be significant, but i doubt it, I am on trt, and
have used turinabol, but a fairly low dosage, 20mg for 3 weeks, 30 for 2,
it did take awhile for it to kick in, which brings me to another point, how valid is the
product, it is only ugl produced, so you really dont know what youre getting.

research and blood work, along with a good doctor, again, very hard to find,
especially one that will be open to you bringing him facts about, and questioning
him on his knowledge of trt. you know the saying, doctor knows best,
but you know reality, they know so little, especially about trt..
I highly dont think turinabol would be classed as a trt protocol drug.
if you are just wanting to do a cycle, then refer to the steroid user and cycle page, or
search out turinabol cycle, you should get an idea on a pct protocol there as well.

Thank you for your thoughts. I have been educated x1000 on this issue since I made this thread. I had NO IDEA what I was doing, but understand this a lot better now. Got blood work from the doc, T is below 300 so I go back after two weeks for the 2nd test and if still below 300 I go on TRT.

Thanks for your thoughts.

[kelkel]

Hopefully your doctor is pulling full BW and not simply T levels. You need to see if there's anything suppressing endogenous production first and that requires more than T levels. I'd hate to start TRT if it wasn't necessary. When TRT is needed it's a godsend that our parents generation did not have. Imagine having to suffer for half your life with low testosterone levels .

[Youthful55guy]

I agree with Kel. At the age of 41, you have decades of injections or slathering gel to look forward to. If you need it, it's awesome that we have this option our parents did not have. However, you really should know the cause of your low T before you jump on the TRT bandwagon. At least know if you are primary or secondary, as that will influence decisions you make with regard to treatments. Also, know your SHBG level.

Good luck in whatever decisions you make, and get as educated on TRT as you can because I can guarantee that your doc probably know less than you do.

[kelkel]

get as educated on TRT as you can because I can guarantee that your doc probably know less than you do.

If he hangs around here long enough he surely will.

[ECFATCAT]

How much is "a bunch of clomid?" And don't listen to your friend any further as he's not helping you. Do what IncreaseMyT recommended. Your health and hormonal balance is important.

He is Right. My 72 year old dads levels were 675 before he started TRT. His urologist targets 1150. Seek professional medical treatment from someone who specializes with it.

[Mr.BB]

He is Right. My 72 year old dads levels were 675 before he started TRT. His urologist targets 1150. Seek professional medical treatment from someone who specializes with it.

Now thats what I call a butcher

[hammerheart]

He is Right. My 72 year old dads levels were 675 before he started TRT. His urologist targets 1150. Seek professional medical treatment from someone who specializes with it.

That's so absurd it's unbelievable!

[macmathews]

He is Right. My 72 year old dads levels were 675 before he started TRT. His urologist targets 1150. Seek professional medical treatment from someone who specializes with it.

Was this BW confirmed with other tests ?? Eg.. a retest..
Why would anybody at age 72 want or need T levels above a natural T of 675 ? Lots of 25 YR old men don't have that luxury

Mac

[IncreaseMyT]

That's so absurd it's unbelievable!

Whats absurd about 1100 TT levels?

I keep hearing guys freaking out about it........ We have guys that have ran right around there for 20 years.

Did you know men in the Columbian army tested as high as 1500 ng/dl?

I gotta say with all "your gonna die at that dose" around here I have to wonder if people just parrot what they read, or they really just do not have a clue what they are talking about.

[IncreaseMyT]

Now thats what I call a butcher

hahahah says the guy telling people to do 10 week injections inducing prostate cancer and brittle arteries hahaha

Ive never seen such hypocrisy in my life. Sounds exactly like the doctors our clients see before they find us, zero real world experience.

[macmathews]

Whats absurd about 1100 TT levels?

I keep hearing guys freaking out about it........ We have guys that have ran right around there for 20 years.

Did you know men in the Columbian army tested as high as 1500 ng/dl?

I gotta say with all "your gonna die at that dose" around here I have to wonder if people just parrot what they read, or they really just do not have a clue what they are talking about.

Its absurd that anybody would treat a 72 year old with a TT of over 600.. I don't think anybody could argue that..

Mac

[IncreaseMyT]

Its absurd that anybody would treat a 72 year old with a TT of over 600.. I don't think anybody could argue that..

Mac

Really can you explain why? Would love to hear it. We have clients that age.

Do you even know anyone on TRT that age?

Hey maybe they should take 1,000 mg of Nebido in one shot? hahahah I am beside myself just spit my coffee on the keyboard.

[macmathews]

Whats absurd about 1100 TT levels?

I keep hearing guys freaking out about it........ We have guys that have ran right around there for 20 years.

Did you know men in the Columbian army tested as high as 1500 ng/dl?

I gotta say with all "your gonna die at that dose" around here I have to wonder if people just parrot what they read, or they really just do not have a clue what they are talking about.

I am assuming these men with 1500 TT are on TRT ?
Just because it happens does not mean it is safe..
Did you know that some BB take over a gram of test a week and live to see old age..
Maybe the exception NOT the rule

Mac

[Mr.BB]

hahahah says the guy telling people to do 10 week injections inducing prostate cancer and brittle arteries hahaha

Ive never seen such hypocrisy in my life. Sounds exactly like the doctors our clients see before they find us, zero real world experience.

I'll just say that I'm not selling anything.

Incredible how sales reps ignore medical guidelines and medical papers just for the extra bucks.

[IncreaseMyT]

I'll just say that I'm not selling anything.

Incredible how sales reps ignore medical guidelines and medical papers just for the extra bucks.

Ethics

[IncreaseMyT]

I am assuming these men with 1500 TT are on TRT ?
Just because it happens does not mean it is safe..
Did you know that some BB take over a gram of test a week and live to see old age..
Maybe the exception NOT the rule

Mac

I do know they do. I see their posts. So thats why it irritates me a little when I see people in here condemning others for an 1100 TT level.

PS the men in the Columbian army were natural, they were not on testosterone .

If anyone has anything showing why 1100 ng/dl TT levels is something a "butcher" created I would LOVE to see it.

The TT level in men is not that important. It can swing hundreds of points and men will feel no different. FT, E2, CBC and CRP are important.

[macmathews]

I do know they do. I see their posts. So thats why it irritates me a little when I see people in here condemning others for an 1100 TT level.

PS the men in the Columbian army were natural, they were not on testosterone .

If anyone has anything showing why 1100 ng/dl TT levels is something a "butcher" created I would LOVE to see it.

The TT level in men is not that important. It can swing hundreds of points and men will feel no different. FT, E2, CBC and CRP are important.

I am fairly certain he is referring to the point that 70 plus year old man had a tt of 675.. You can bet with a TT like that Free T is well within range.. especially for a 70 year old

Mac

[IncreaseMyT]

I am fairly certain he is referring to the point that 70 plus year old man had a tt of 675.. You can bet with a TT like that Free T is well within range.. especially for a 70 year old

Mac

Really what are you basing that on?

[IncreaseMyT]

BTW does age, weight and diet affect this in older men?

What about if they are pre-diabetic?