Will TRT dose interfere with Pregnancy?

[JuliusPleaser]

Ok guys,

I've been on gear for about 7 months; above my TRT which was 200mg a week. I have been taking HCG 250iu, twice a week to keep my testes going, but it even though they haven't shrunk that bad, I cannot get my wife pregnant, as we have been having unprotected sex this entire year.

My plan was to get off soon as I feel its been a long time. I'm not taking crazy dosages, right now I'm just on 600 cyp and 300 tren A, but before that I was taking different compounds like Masteron 600mg and test at 200mg, before this one.

I wanted to lower my dose back to TRT and jump on clomid 20mg a day EOD, and do a higher dose of HCG per week, probably 3000iu; dave palumbo recommends 3000iu EOD, but maybes that's too much?

But then I was wondering, what if the TRT dose of 200mg (which should be 100mg per week) would interfere with the process? My levels at 200mg were 1500; my doctor wanted to reduce my test TRT to 100mg per week, but I loved being on 200mg so I never went back; but then I was thinking maybe I should come off TOTALLY and just run the clomid and HCG?

Last time I got my wife pregnant, all i did was come off all gear and run a small PCT; 4 months later she was pregnant, but I lost a ton of size and got fat, and my cycle duration was not this long. I worked hard for my body now, been the strongest I've ever been, and dont' feel like losing all these gains; however, I know that will depend on my diet and consistent training. I was thinking of even through clen in the mix, on and off, which apparently helps retain gains as well at a low dose, and I am currently taking HGH at 4iu ED for the whole year.

I feel my body wants to get off NOW, even though I have a month left of my planned 12 week cycle. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks everyone

[MuscleScience]

Spermatogenesis takes 72 days for sperm to fully mature. So if your Soren counts are low. It will take at least 72 days for them to start to bounce back.

[JuliusPleaser]

take into account my other things I wrote, do you believe TRT at 100 or 200, would interfere with this? Because really my question is do I resume TRT and do PCT with it, or get off totally?

[Youthful55guy]

take into account my other things I wrote, do you believe TRT at 100 or 200, would interfere with this? Because really my question is do I resume TRT and do PCT with it, or get off totally?

Yes, any effective TRT dose will suppress gonadotropins to near zero, so no spermatogenesis. I recommend upping your dose of HCG to 1000 IU per week and make sure that you mind the expiration time after reconstituting and keep it well refrigerated (the colder the better). It looses potency the longer you store it.

There is good data to shows that 1000 IU per week (in split doses) is the magic dose to bring intratesticular testosterone (ITT) levels back to normal, even on 200 mg of T-eth per week. ITT is a marker of fertility.

If you are interested in reading more, here are two good resources:

Coviello, A. D., A. M. Matsumoto, W. J. Bremner, et al. (2005). "Low-dose human chorionic gonadotropin maintains intratesticular testosterone in normal men with testosterone-induced gonadotropin suppression." J Clin Endocrinol Metab 90(5): 2595-2602. 18-45 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15713727

Ramasamy, R., J. M. Armstrong and L. I. Lipshultz (2015). "Preserving fertility in the hypogonadal patient: an update." Asian journal of andrology 17(2): 197. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...t%3A+an+update

[JuliusPleaser]

So, in all logic, I shouldn't remove test totally because I am indeed on TRT, thus to take it all away would do nothing? Thanks for the sources bro

[MuscleScience]

So, in all logic, I shouldn't remove test totally because I am indeed on TRT, thus to take it all away would do nothing? Thanks for the sources bro

Well, at a certain T total level and some other factors high T shuts down sperm production. But so does low T, you want your levels to be in a normal range for your body. That is for optimal swimmer production.

[JuliusPleaser]

Ok, so I think then it best to do 100mg, so I don't crash totally and have no test, as that will put me in normal range since 200mg was putting me at 1500 lol.

Then ill do HCG , clomid... but I'm gonna have to combat the estrogen rebound, so I'm think probably aromasin rather than nolv?

[Youthful55guy]

Ok, so I think then it best to do 100mg, so I don't crash totally and have no test, as that will put me in normal range since 200mg was putting me at 1500 lol.

Then ill do HCG, clomid... but I'm gonna have to combat the estrogen rebound, so I'm think probably aromasin rather than nolv?

From a health perspective, your best bet is to simply optimize your T levels with normal TRT. If that's 100 mg/week for you then go for it. You might want to follow it up with labs in about 4 weeks to see where you are and then adjust if necessary. However, it doesn't really matter how high you go, any level of exogenous T will suppress gonadotropin production. At 100 mg/wk, LH & FSH will pretty much be zero, so more T will not suppress it any further. I do suggest breaking that 100 mg up into smaller doses. This will give you a much smoother ride and control E2 much better. Trust me, you will feel better with smaller and more frequent dosing. I do 40 to 50 mg every 3 days. The smaller doses also allow you to drop down to a 28G insulin syringe. You hardly feel it.

I don't understand what you mean by estrogen rebound. If you mean HCG induced E2 production, yes, there may be some effect. I regularly do 1050 IU HCG per week (450 IU E3D) and my E2 without any E2 control is a bit high (about 60 pg/mL). I use the "vodka method" to dispense very low daily doses of anastrozol (totally about 0.5 mg per week) and that usually keeps it in the 20 to 30 pg/mL range (upper end of the normal range being 35 in this lab).

My advice is to monitor your E2 carefully beginning about 4 weeks after changing the dose and then use E2 control as necessary to keep it in range.

Keep in mind too that it take about 3 months for sperm cells to fully mature and be capable of fertilization (mostly a motility thing). So what you do today will not show up in your ejaculate for another 3 months.

[JuliusPleaser]

I mean the estro rebound from my cycle that is currently 600mg of Cyp and 300mg of Tren A... The 600 cyp, when I drop down to 100mg, will certainly create unstable levels of estogren that need to be handled.

[kelkel]

I mean the estro rebound from my cycle that is currently 600mg of Cyp and 300mg of Tren A... The 600 cyp, when I drop down to 100mg, will certainly create unstable levels of estogren that need to be handled.

What estrogen rebound? How on earth is doing less testosterone going to cause a rebound? I hear this all the time. If you're controlling your estrogen currently and coming off cycle you simply taper your AI down for a couple weeks. Estrogen levels do not need to be linear.

And clomid will do nothing for you while on exogenous testosterone. Waste of time.

[JuliusPleaser]

What estrogen rebound? How on earth is doing less testosterone going to cause a rebound? I hear this all the time. If you're controlling your estrogen currently and coming off cycle you simply taper your AI down for a couple weeks. Estrogen levels do not need to be linear.

And clomid will do nothing for you while on exogenous testosterone. Waste of time.

I was always under the assumption that if you take high dosages, your estrogen goes up to balance it out. I am not taking anything but 600mg cyp, 300mg tren and 4iu of gh; so I'm not taking an AI or anything since I'm not bloated or feeling any reason to from the test; the tren doesn't aromatise.

But anyway, what do you suggest I do here. If clomid is pointless as you stated, then should stop taking ALL test? The thing is, I NEED to be on test to be at normal levels, thus the TRT, so logically I was thinking taking a TRT dose would not interfere since I don't produce enough naturally.

[kelkel]

I was always under the assumption that if you take high dosages, your estrogen goes up to balance it out. I am not taking anything but 600mg cyp, 300mg tren and 4iu of gh; so I'm not taking an AI or anything since I'm not bloated or feeling any reason to from the test; the tren doesn't aromatise.

But anyway, what do you suggest I do here. If clomid is pointless as you stated, then should stop taking ALL test? The thing is, I NEED to be on test to be at normal levels, thus the TRT, so logically I was thinking taking a TRT dose would not interfere since I don't produce enough naturally.

Well damn Julius, you've been here for 10 years. We talk about the importance of managing E2 all the time. You can't always judge estrogen sides by bloating, libido, gyno or anything else other than blood work. The more insidious sides of estrogen are internal, not external. Google them please. Managing your estrogen is an integral component to a successful cycle. Don't ignore it in the future as it will come back to bite you big time.

If you're coming off cycle now then I probably wouldn't bother. Just reduce your test to your chosen TRT protocol and your estrogen will slowly reduce on its own the same as test does. Right now your E2 is through the roof so there's no where for it to go but down.

[JuliusPleaser]

Well damn Julius, you've been here for 10 years. We talk about the importance of managing E2 all the time. You can't always judge estrogen sides by bloating, libido, gyno or anything else other than blood work. The more insidious sides of estrogen are internal, not external. Google them please. Managing your estrogen is an integral component to a successful cycle. Don't ignore it in the future as it will come back to bite you big time.

If you're coming off cycle now then I probably wouldn't bother. Just reduce your test to your chosen TRT protocol and your estrogen will slowly reduce on its own the same as test does. Right now your E2 is through the roof so there's no where for it to go but down.

Appreciate the concern in regards to the E2. What is your opinion on the rest of my inquiry about how I should go about getting fertile again with the HCG clomid and nolv protocol?

[kelkel]

Listen to what YG55 said and the studies he posted. We share the same studies with guys here all the time. Nolva and clomid (serms) will not help you if on TRT. Stick to the HCG as indicated in the study and be patient.

[JuliusPleaser]

Ok thank you. I was gonna drop TRT totally; jump on 2500iu Mon and Thurs, HCG , 50mg clomid and 40 nolva but I guess you're saying that's not necessary.

SO then I should stick to either 100 or 200mg TRT, and just follow the HCG protocol. I've been on TRT at 200mg for over two years, so I guess its totally futile to do a non-TRT approach to this

[kelkel]

I would agree.

[Youthful55guy]

Ok thank you. I was gonna drop TRT totally; jump on 2500iu Mon and Thurs, HCG , 50mg clomid and 40 nolva but I guess you're saying that's not necessary.

SO then I should stick to either 100 or 200mg TRT, and just follow the HCG protocol. I've been on TRT at 200mg for over two years, so I guess its totally futile to do a non-TRT approach to this

I would bump up the HCG dose and inject 3X per week instead of 2. perhaps a MWF schedule of 350 IU.

[David LoPan]

Ok thank you. I was gonna drop TRT totally; jump on 2500iu Mon and Thurs, HCG , 50mg clomid and 40 nolva but I guess you're saying that's not necessary.

SO then I should stick to either 100 or 200mg TRT, and just follow the HCG protocol. I've been on TRT at 200mg for over two years, so I guess its totally futile to do a non-TRT approach to this

I take my HCG every day at 200 IU and 200mg TRT. I like doing something every day and at the same time as it relates to medications. Your body likes to be in homeostasis. You could take 100 mg of test every Sunday and Thursday you would be more level.

IF you really do want kids then enjoy the sex now and keep trying. Several guys that I know were on your dose of TRT and all have kids. The ones that didn't want to have them their wife went on the "HCG DIET" and ended up pregnant. I am not giving medical advice but if you read the HCG at the fda.gov site you will see that it also helps women get pregnant.

[JuliusPleaser]

I just wanted to update my situation:

I decided to lower my TRT to 100mg per week; split in two shots Monday & Thursday
I take a large amout of HCG , 2500ius Monday & Thursday
I've been on 4ius GH ED for months and will cointinue to stay on it all year.

Results so far have been higher ejaculation volume
I haven't lost any strength (surprisingly) or size really... means I made REAL solid gains (probably due to HIT Training and GH)

HOWEVER, my sex drive has decreased; not the desire, but the actual physical drive. Recently, the last few times I went to have sex with my wife, I had an issue with hardness and fullness of my erections.

What is the issue: I'm thinking maybe it's too much HCG and its time to lower it after the entire month of a higher kickstart, or do I need more test and go back to 200mg?
I figured I would keep blasting HCG until my wife got pregnant but I know it will take 3 months for new spermeogensis.

Any advice is appreciated. Thanks

[JuliusPleaser]

anyone can help?