Time of day for injections

[GargaML]

Is it really important that I do the injection first thing in the morning? Does it matter as long as I stay consistent?

[kelkel]

Doesn't matter one little bit. Too many guys tend to micromanage it. Make TRT fit your lifestyle.

[GargaML]

Doesn't matter one little bit. Too many guys tend to micromanage it. Make TRT fit your lifestyle.

Roger that, thanks man. It’s my first injection and I find that I’m somewhat of a chickenshit. So I’m trying to time it to be during an interval where I have some courage.

I feel like I’m signing on for life like it or not. Probably not the right way to think about it. Thanks again.

[kelkel]

Roger that, thanks man. It’s my first injection and I find that I’m somewhat of a chickenshit. So I’m trying to time it to be during an interval where I have some courage.

I feel like I’m signing on for life like it or not. Probably not the right way to think about it. Thanks again.

You are signing on for life. A better, healthier one. Sticking yourself with needles is not normal, but you will get used to it.

So, tell me your exact protocol along with what size/gauge syringe you're using.

[GargaML]

You are signing on for life. A better, healthier one. Sticking yourself with needles is not normal, but you will get used to it.

So, tell me your exact protocol along with what size/gauge syringe you're using.

You got it. Its real simple

I have 6ml compounded test enanthate
Doc said 25 units twice per week subq. Im scheduled for labs and refill/reassessment by 8/30.
Thats it.

I also have cjc1295/ipamorelin in my fridge. I’m not sure if I’ll ever even touch that. Literally no info on it NOT from clinics 😂

You say for life. Freaks me out a lil. My test level is 700 last week. I have had scores of 600 as well. Im 40. If i freak out or my blood turns to gel or i get NO gains in the gym can i never stop and get back to normal? (Not that im planning to)

[GargaML]

You are signing on for life. A better, healthier one. Sticking yourself with needles is not normal, but you will get used to it.

So, tell me your exact protocol along with what size/gauge syringe you're using.

I forgot. 27 gauge 1.5 inch 100 unit syringe.

I also have 31 gauge.

[GargaML]

And yes, TRT is typically for life. You seem a little unsure about what you want to do and achieve. I would sit back for a minute and get a good handle on your goals before going forward. As discussed in another thread, I think, typical TRT doses are just going to get you to your natural production levels... it doesn't seem worth it to me, but everybody is different

Actually, I know exactly what I want out of this and how I’m going to evaluate success and failure. I want to feel better and more confident, I want all of my main lifts to increase, I want to get that Morningwood back. I want my fasting blood glucose to be 10 points lower. And I want my muscles to be slightly larger. I know that the small doses will not get you to 4000 ng/dl levels or anything like that, but everything I’ve read says people who do theseSmall doses end up with total testosterone well above the normal range, 1200, 1400, etc. is this not true?

Also, I know of a handful of people that have stopped after these doses. They seem to be fine. So why do people say it’s for life. I’m not hypogonadal. I’m not sure if I ever mentioned that.

[GargaML]

The 1.5 inch you can use to draw, but for subq use the 31g. That needle is probably something like 5/16" long... might be better to get some 29g 1/2" insulin syringes.

Do not be afraid of the cjc / ipamorelin combo. There is info all over the web on it.

Dude I messed up I meant it’s half an inch not one and a half inch

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Actually, I know exactly what I want out of this and how I’m going to evaluate success and failure. I want to feel better and more confident, I want all of my main lifts to increase, I want to get that Morningwood back. I want my fasting blood glucose to be 10 points lower. And I want my muscles to be slightly larger. I know that the small doses will not get you to 4000 ng/dl levels or anything like that, but everything I’ve read says people who do theseSmall doses end up with total testosterone well above the normal range, 1200, 1400, etc. is this not true?

Also, I know of a handful of people that have stopped after these doses. They seem to be fine. So why do people say it’s for life. I’m not hypogonadal. I’m not sure if I ever mentioned that.

People who do small doses are on TRT and the goal of TRT is to get people in the normal range of testosterone, not above the normal range.

I believe you are doing 0.25ccs or 0.25mls or 25units of 200mg/ml test C twice a week.
That works out to 100mg/week.

That is a TRT dose and most likely will barely get you above your natural levels.
(You stated that you tested at 600 and 700 before.)
Now you might test in at 800-900.

The reason people are telling you this is for life is because:
You are posting in the TRT section.
People are assuming you are on TRT precisely because you are hypogonadal.

I do not think it is worth going on a TRT level of test when you have perfect test levels to begin with.

[GargaML]

People who do small doses are on TRT and the goal of TRT is to get people in the normal range of testosterone , not above the normal range.

I believe you are doing 0.25ccs or 0.25mls or 25units of 200mg/ml test C twice a week.
That works out to 100mg/week.

That is a TRT dose and most likely will barely get you above your natural levels.
(You stated that you tested at 600 and 700 before.)
Now you might test in at 800-900.

The reason people are telling you this is for life is because:
You are posting in the TRT section.
People are assuming you are on TRT precisely because you are hypogonadal.

I do not think it is worth going on a TRT level of test when you have perfect test levels to begin with.

Thanks man. Only 800-900 huh? That doesnt sound great. I might test that and get back to you w 3 month labs in sept. If i can grow balls and do my first shot. ��

[Ashop]

Is it really important that I do the injection first thing in the morning? Does it matter as long as I stay consistent?

No it doesn't matter, just be consistent.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

TRT is a game changer only if you suffer from Low T.

You do not have low T.

I highly recommend you don't go on 3 months of TRT.

You will be shutting down your natural production for very little if any benefit.
You run the risk of damaging your testosterone levels for the rest of your life.

[GargaML]

TRT is a game changer only if you suffer from Low T.

You do not have low T.

I highly recommend you don't go on 3 months of TRT.

You will be shutting down your natural production for very little if any benefit.
You run the risk of damaging your testosterone levels for the rest of your life.

I appreciate the concern. Does that mean everyone here who is not hypogonadal that has done that dose or above is done for in terms of natural production? I’m genuinely curious

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I appreciate the concern. Does that mean everyone here who is not hypogonadal that has done that dose or above is done for in terms of natural production? I’m genuinely curious

Done for in terms of natural production?

When anyone goes on TRT, they shut down their natural production.
There is no guarantee that their system returns back to 100% capacity when done.

[GargaML]

Done for in terms of natural production?

When anyone goes on TRT, they shut down their natural production.
There is no guarantee that their system returns back to 100% capacity when done.

Yes. In terms of natural production. So you mean anyone that uses over a certain dose (trt or higher) is done in terms of natural production?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Yes. In terms of natural production. So you mean anyone that uses over a certain dose (trt or higher) is done in terms of natural production?

Yes...

You can’t cheat it.

So even if you use a very small dose your system will be suppressed.

[GargaML]

Yes...

You can’t cheat it.

So even if you use a very small dose your system will be suppressed.

Ok. That makes sense. That’s actually in line with everything I’ve read. There are a small subset of folks that come back but it’s not likely after 40. I see what you’re saying. It’s going to shut you down so why not do a decent cycle to gain the benefit. My only problem is I don’t want to break the law and these fuckers won’t give me enough to do anything like that. Yet.

My only other question is then why do celebs and such do this? Rogan says it makes him feel 25. Why go through all of this just to go back to where you were? I’m assuming they gain something.

Thanks man I appreciate all the input

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Ok. That makes sense. That’s actually in line with everything I’ve read. There are a small subset of folks that come back but it’s not likely after 40. I see what you’re saying. It’s going to shut you down so why not do a decent cycle to gain the benefit. My only problem is I don’t want to break the law and these fuckers won’t give me enough to do anything like that. Yet.

My only other question is then why do celebs and such do this? Rogan says it makes him feel 25. Why go through all of this just to go back to where you were? I’m assuming they gain something.

Thanks man I appreciate all the input

Rogan is rich and famous.
He can get a doctor to prescribe anything he wants is my guess.

I highly doubt Joe Rogan is only on 100mg/week if he is on. (I have no idea.)
or...
Maybe he was hypo-gonadal. (If that was the case then 100mg/week would make him feel 25 again.)

Also, you mentioned lowering your fasting blood glucose.
That is fixed thru diet and exercise.

[GargaML]

Everybody responds differently to drugs, doses included. Some men might need 50 mg per week to get to natural levels, while others might need 100. Yes, there are general guidelines, but every one of us has some slight variation that might mean the molecules interact differently for us. The only way to know where a particular dose will get you is to try it and get blood work.

That said, if you want to cycle, then by all means cycle! Get familiar with the term 'blast and cruise' because at 40, men start to become candidates for TRT.... If you are shutdown anyway, why not add in some more test or other AAS (the 'blast' portion) and then taper back down to TRT doses (the 'cruise' part).

No one is harshing you here. Everything that has been offered (at least that I have read) has been intended to help you be successful.

As for celebs... I wouldn't trust much of what they say. For example, Hugh Jackman or Dwayne Johnson could never really come out and say 'yeah, I blast and cruise all the time! I get my TRT from the doc but order off this super secret website for my blast doses. It is AWESOME!' I know that guys like that likely have doctors working with them but you get the point.

Legit reply. Ill read it 10 times probably. ����

You in the US? Point is i might consider what youre saying but I have no idea where to get those larger doses. And I would need a bunch in hand before I ever started anything. That’s just my personality. Having said that, I’m not trying to hang out for months to figure out some source. There’s a reason I moved to a 420 friendly state. Tired of doing things under the table. If it were as easy as going to the store I would definitely blast and cruise. But God only knows how reliable the supply will be. That’s just my thinking.

Everyone here is incredibly helpful in their own way. I’m super grateful I have no one to talk to.

[GargaML]

Maybe pin 100 mcg each of the CJC and Ipamorelin. There is no chance of suppression there and you can get comfortable with sticking yourself.

One thing I do, because I'm frankly sort of a wuss about needles (though not like I was), is instead of stabbing, I press the needle in. It's all about speed. I think Dr Crisler has a video where he stabs himself subq, like real quick like. I take the needle and put it against my skin, then slowly apply pressure until it slides in. Then slowly inject. Boom. Over just like that, easy peasy.

I remember my first subq shot though. I was like you - kind of freaking out. Then when I did the shot like I described, I was like 'dang, thats it? I BARELY even felt it'

There’s actually some good method to your madness here. Unfortunately, I don’t care about the needle part. I have no problem doing that five times a day. It’s the irreparable damage to my system that I’m trying to avoid for little to no benefit. I can’t do a cost benefit if I don’t know the benefit or the cost

[GargaML]

Ah ok I misunderstood. At any rate, sounds like you are covering all the angles.

Ha! Nope. I aint got shit covered. But thanks.

[kelkel]

People who do small doses are on TRT and the goal of TRT is to get people in the normal range of testosterone , not above the normal range.

I believe you are doing 0.25ccs or 0.25mls or 25units of 200mg/ml test C twice a week.
That works out to 100mg/week.

That is a TRT dose and most likely will barely get you above your natural levels.
(You stated that you tested at 600 and 700 before.)
Now you might test in at 800-900.

The reason people are telling you this is for life is because:
You are posting in the TRT section.
People are assuming you are on TRT precisely because you are hypogonadal.

I do not think it is worth going on a TRT level of test when you have perfect test levels to begin with.

Extremely well said.