Doc wants to prescribe me enclomiphene

[bruin27]

Turning 40, feeling alot of the low T symptoms so got some blood work done. Sitting at 500 test. Attached are the other numbers with ranges.

Doc won't go with T but said I could try enclomiphene, also wants me to retest later in the afternoon, assuming to see if my levels go lower. Last labs were 5 years ago, high 700s test so my levels have definitely dropped.

Reading about enclomiphene and it seems promising, just unsure of taking it long term. Would rather be on something proven with history of long term usage.

[Cuz]

500 is a pretty good natural test level for your age imo. As for the above mentioned, Cylon357 can help you there. I chose trt personally.

[Cylon357]

Turning 40, feeling alot of the low T symptoms so got some blood work done. Sitting at 500 test. Attached are the other numbers with ranges.

Doc won't go with T but said I could try enclomiphene, also wants me to retest later in the afternoon, assuming to see if my levels go lower. Last labs were 5 years ago, high 700s test so my levels have definitely dropped.

Reading about enclomiphene and it seems promising, just unsure of taking it long term. Would rather be on something proven with history of long term usage.

You should get your blood work first thing in the AM for the most consistent readings.

And to echo Cuz's point, those are pretty good natty levels. I would be hesitant to jump on anything right away without optimizing nutrition, training, sleep and recovery first.

I've done both SERM based and Test based HRT. They each have their pros and cons. You would need to look at the particulars of your situation to make the best decision.

All that said, enclomiphene works for some men, peep the sticky for all I know about it. The only thing I will add is that I have wondered / pondered / speculated if the combination of daily enclo and low dose proviron might be a good solution for many men.

https://forums.steroid.com/hormone-r...formation.html

[Cylon357]

To add on, your doc actually said enclomiphene, not clomiphene? Because that would be pretty impressive if so.

Also, you can try SERM based HRT without risk of shutting down your HPTA. That is probably the single most attractive aspect of that particular option. It adds to, it does NOT replace, your natural production.

All that said, if you want to cycle or do other AAS, testosterone makes the most sense.

Like I said, though, I suspect you have improvements you can see with just optimizing your current training, food, sleep, etc.

[bruin27]

To add on, your doc actually said enclomiphene, not clomiphene? Because that would be pretty impressive if so.

Also, you can try SERM based HRT without risk of shutting down your HPTA. That is probably the single most attractive aspect of that particular option. It adds to, it does NOT replace, your natural production.

All that said, if you want to cycle or do other AAS, testosterone makes the most sense.

Like I said, though, I suspect you have improvements you can see with just optimizing your current training, food, sleep, etc.

It was actually a trt clinics urologist that brought enclomiphene up so probably knows more about it.

I also have hasimotos which probably doesn't help with my overall symptoms. Just really hard for me to get any real gains the last few years, fatigue is the worst, motivation and sex drive missing so figured TRT might help but my levels are too high currently for any doc to prescribe it.

Serm based TRT are you talking about enclomiphene? I do like alot of the benefits from it just skeptical on the results and long term usages unknown.

[Cylon357]

It was actually a trt clinics urologist that brought enclomiphene up so probably knows more about it.

I also have hasimotos which probably doesn't help with my overall symptoms. Just really hard for me to get any real gains the last few years, fatigue is the worst, motivation and sex drive missing so figured TRT might help but my levels are too high currently for any doc to prescribe it.

Serm based TRT are you talking about enclomiphene? I do like alot of the benefits from it just skeptical on the results and long term usages unknown.

Yes, enclomiphene is a SERM, read the link I posted. It has more info.

[bruin27]

Yes, enclomiphene is a SERM, read the link I posted. It has more info.

Have you heard or seen anyone cycling in anavar or winstrol with enclomiphene as a base? How far can it go with regards to a cycle?

[Cylon357]

Have you heard or seen anyone cycling in anavar or winstrol with enclomiphene as a base? How far can it go with regards to a cycle?

It has likely been done, but I would not trust enclomiphene to be a good test base. That isn't a knock on enclo, just saying that it is not the right tool for the job, IMO. It has apparently been used successfully with SARM cycles to avoid suppression.

I've seen at least one unsubstantiated account of enclomiphene raising LH and FSH on low dose TRT. Note that I did say unsubstantiated...

[Cuz]

Have you heard or seen anyone cycling in anavar or winstrol with enclomiphene as a base? How far can it go with regards to a cycle?

You need TRT if you’re questioning future cycling. Testosterone is the ONLY hormone that can be used for trt, imho. Nothing can replace. I would not build my base around a serm.