GH/IGF-1/AAS log

**Seattle Junk** · 08-27-2005, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Moosepellet

SuperSteve, just wanted to congradulate you on your personal success. I really think that you should invest in some Testosterone-Prop, Cypionate, Enanthate. Any test will work well with tren. That should be done to prevent major shut down, that is if your planning on having children someday. Anyway thinks for the daily/weekly updates. I will probably be PM you sometime in the future, if that's okay with you.

Yeah, good advice. I think he should put some prop in there and see how it goes. Since it's short acting you can always drop it out at any time if there are sides you don't like. Prop has the least sides out of the 3.

supersteve · 08-29-2005, 05:31 AM

Moosepellet - feel free to PM me anytime.
Symmetry101 - i'm using MR's igf-1.

I know where you guys are coming from with adding tren , but I just can't bring myself to inject anything that aromatises. I know it's not the wisest idea but there's been an abundance of ppl of late doing very successful tren only cycles. Considering i'm taking GH and will also be using igf-1 for 5 weeks during the cycle and then 4 weeks immediately after, in addition to letro the whole way through (stimulates LH, FSH and minimises prolactin) im hoping shutdown won't be as severe as it is usually.

I did my first shot of tren this morning. It's funny, the 25g 1" into my quads i couldn't even feel it going on, it was so painless, which unfortunately usually isn't the case when i inject a 29g into my bis ... im guessing because i draw and shoot with the same needle with igf-1 and gh whereas I used a fresh one for my tren inject. Although I suppose the bi has heaps of nerve endings ... anyways will see when i inject tren into the bis. I only have a small amount of fat on my quads but i think the tren might have leaked back out into it because there was a lump in the fatty area for a few hours after which hurt a little. Might have to have a better read up on the z-track method.

Water retention from the GH is pretty much non-existent now. I stopped creatine last week as well so that is probably contributing to my dry and vascular look, but I guess it's just about that time when the water subsides.

I've mentioned before how great I feel on GH. Well it remains that way, however, it's also a case of either being completely energised or completely tired.. It's like I have waves throughout the day. I'm charged as soon as I wake up and for all of the morning, but come mid-afternoon I have been taking naps because i've been crashing (feel asleep in class at uni today for the first time ever haha). After my nap im completely euphoric and charged again until bed time when again I crash and fall asleep almost instantly. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with insulin resistance, because sometimes it does coincide with just after a big carb meal. But anyway I just thought that was interesting how it fluctuates to the two extremes - whereas prior to GH I just always felt semi-tired all day but never got the extreme tiredness where I couldn't keep my eyes open like now.

**znak** · 08-30-2005, 03:25 AM

Great thread.

I won't even comment on Steve's age. lol

**Pure Power** · 08-31-2005, 06:17 AM

how is your sore throat. I acutualy get a sore throat from t-3 if im not drinking gallons of watter a day.
thats just my experience.

supersteve · 09-01-2005, 03:17 AM

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supersteve · 09-06-2005, 03:00 AM

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**Polska** · 09-06-2005, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by supersteve

Some of you may be interested to know that I have recieved my shipment of melanotan II. Got 100mg at 99% purity. I will start it very shortly. Will keep a seperate log if people are interested.

Great thread supersteve. I for one would be interested to know your melanotan results. Keep it up!!

**THEMOSTHATED** · 09-06-2005, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by supersteve

The tren is going good. I'd be lying if I said my nuts weren't atrophied. This literally happened after the 2nd shot. But I still get random erections which is bizarre - mechanism of the GH i'd say.

Some of you may be interested to know that I have recieved my shipment of melanotan II. Got 100mg at 99% purity. I will start it very shortly. Will keep a seperate log if people are interested.

Yeah, mine are peanuts despite measures, too, but the GH also still makes me horny as hell. Hey I give; what is the Melanton for?

supersteve · 09-07-2005, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by THEMOSTHATED

Yeah, mine are peanuts despite measures, too, but the GH also still makes me horny as hell. Hey I give; what is the Melanton for?

It's for tanning. Tells the Melanocyte-Stimulating Hormone to release more melanin - which is the stuff that is responsible for making your skin/hair/eyes etc. dark and stops you from getting burnt. Supposedly it also gives erections which leave viagra for dead, plus some possible fat loss activity.

Originally Posted by Polska

Great thread supersteve. I for one would be interested to know your melanotan results. Keep it up!!

Okay will keep you updated. Am actually going to start 2nite.

supersteve · 09-13-2005, 03:30 AM

Wow im bloated.
Ive still got no idea if im injecting estrogen or not because the bloating could be from the tren or gh as well. But anyways ive got nolvadex coming in a few days so we'll see how that goes because letrozole is doing absolutely nothing.

Tren is all good. 15th inject today and up 20lbs on some lifts already.
My weight is also through the roof because of the bloat. 214lbs. Thats 27lbs up on my starting weight 13 weeks ago. I look a bit puffy but I seriously dont think ive gained much fat at all.

As for melanotan, awesome. Only taken 6mg so far. Spent 4hrs in the sun the 2nd day, not even red. Have completed 2 sunbed sessions as well (first time i've ever used a solarium) and am looking so incredibly dark. Ive already had 4-5 people tell me how dark i am "gee your looking dark", "you've been out in the sun haven't you?," "have you been taninng?" etc. And the best thing is, finally my face is going brown like the rest of my body!!! woo hoo.
This stuff even cures tren dick haha. Not the 8hr stags others report. But sort of 1/2hr on and off a few times just out of no where an hour or so after inject. Nausea and face flushing is pretty bad though so I take it before bed now.

I twitched my neck at the gym last night and was in absolute agony afterwards, couldnt move my head. I've done this a couple of times before before and it has taken 2 weeks or so to go away. I woke up this morning and it was practically gone. I duno if it's the AAS or GH (im guessing the latter), but the recovery time is great.

supersteve · 09-22-2005, 06:29 AM

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**Slic4788** · 09-22-2005, 01:10 PM

Damn, you look HUGE in your 15-week pics. Nice work.

Oh, and you look like you just came back from a Hawaiian vacation.

**Bluerain** · 09-22-2005, 05:00 PM

Steve,

You look great!! Nice and lean to boot!!! I love that look!

Did you go to the beach or salon when taking the melanotan?

Thanks : )

Blue

supersteve · 09-22-2005, 06:06 PM

Thanks very much for the kind words.

I wish I had just been to hawaii though hehe.

Blue rain, I took the 10mg (1mg for 10 days), on the 2nd day I spent about 3-4hrs at the beach. Got a little red, but the next day it was brown. Then I went to the tanning bed every 2nd day (so day 4,6,8,10). Had never used a tanning bed before and don't think I will have to again ... i'm confident laying outside is enough (weather permitting of course) when using melanotan because I noticed the most significant change in colour from the first session I spent in the sun.
I'm actually a little too dark now I think ... my teeth, tongue, fingernails etc. look funny because the white/pink really contrasts the dark brown lol.

Will be interesting to see how long it lasts. I'm guessing that if I keep up the sun exposure every 1-2 days it won't fade even without mt-2.

supersteve · 09-26-2005, 06:01 AM

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**dr_skier** · 10-19-2005, 07:07 PM

What happened to this log?.... It was a great read!!!

supersteve · 10-19-2005, 07:23 PM

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**Slic4788** · 10-20-2005, 02:50 AM

What happened to the whole estrogen deal bro? It was probably the tren i guess. It might fuse up your plates faster though. Did you hit 6'4 yet, like you wanted to?

supersteve · 10-20-2005, 06:46 PM

I don't know to be honest. I didn't go and get another blood test so i'm not sure what my estro levels are like. I've been taking 40mg nolva a day just in case. But I think it was just a freak occurence, in hindsight I doubt my stuff is revalor-s (tren with estrogen).
I'd be lying if I said I hadn't grown since starting, but I didn't really want to say anything about it as that would seem like I was encouraging young guys to use hgh/igf-1 for that purpose. Nothing significant though, only 2cm. And like I said earlier, I still had growth left in me. If people fork out money for GH in the hope of gaining height, I think they will be dissapointed.

**vitor** · 10-23-2005, 11:44 AM

Greate thread. Steve; You are taking tren as the aas, right? have you had any libodo problems with it? yust asking because i was thinking of running a tren only too.

supersteve · 10-23-2005, 08:46 PM

Definite libido problems. IGF-1 seemed to help with that though. For the 5 weeks while I was on it I would get morning wood and I had a decent sex drive. Melanotan also gave me wood about an hour after taking it.

You can still get it up if you have to, but tren on its own makes you pretty uninterested in sex. If you have a girl I would add test or take 50mg proviron ED, otherwise she will probably want to kill you :P

At first I was worried about the gains from tren not being enough. Strength gains were great at the start, but the mass gains really didn't become very noticeable until after week 5. In hindsight adding test prop probably would have been a better idea or even a kickstarter like anadrol . Although i've still got 5 weeks left, so still plenty of time for mass. Will see how it all pans out.

BTW, i've finished igf-1 now so am back on 4iu HGH 7/7 along with my tren. As of today i'm also going to add 50mg of DHT gel ED to bind to SHBG and free up some tren ... because i've got some left over from when I used it to try and get rid of gyno so i figure i may as well use it now. Might even rub a bit on my willy haha jks :P

**vitor** · 10-24-2005, 05:06 AM

Steve; What do you think of running gh at such a young age, does it promote mass- gains? Ime 23, but not sure if its worth the money yust yet!
Instead of taking tren for 13 weeks(which will be a hard recovery when coming off), have you considerd to stop it after 10, then use HCG , so the balls doesnt forget how to work, then switch to a milder anabolick like primo(oral) winny or var the last 4-5 weeks, which will shut you down far less. A friend of mine tried this now, and said it was much easier with recovery, as well as hold onto the gains!

**Polska** · 10-24-2005, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by vitor

Steve; What do you think of running gh at such a young age, does it promote mass- gains? Ime 23, but not sure if its worth the money yust yet!
Instead of taking tren for 13 weeks(which will be a hard recovery when coming off), have you considerd to stop it after 10, then use HCG, so the balls doesnt forget how to work, then switch to a milder anabolick like primo(oral) winny or var the last 4-5 weeks, which will shut you down far less. A friend of mine tried this now, and said it was much easier with recovery, as well as hold onto the gains!

I agree with this. I did the same thing as above but used var. Recovery was easier ten fold.

Also interested in your opinion on GH steve.

supersteve · 10-25-2005, 02:44 AM

That sounds feasible, but I recon at the rate things have been going, my best gains will come in the next 5 weeks of tren , im not sure if id be completely content with the gains from 10 weeks.
Im gona run HCG for the last 2-3 weeks of the cycle. 250iu EOD.
I know recovery will be a bitch, but im guessing that the combo of hcg/nolva/hgh/igf-1/clen /letro will get me back up and running in decent time whilst holding onto my gains - fingers crossed.

As for gh at such a young age, it's hard to say ... i've only had the chance to run it at 4iu for a month because i started at 2iu for the first month and have then had to run it at 2iu during my 2 igf-1 cycles. I would definitely say igf-1 is worth it though. Will know more about the hgh over the next couple of months when i run it at 4iu ED and maybe 6iu some days.

Sorta progressed like this so far:
hgh 2iu ED alone for a month - gained ~10lbs (mostly water weight)
igf-1/gh for a month - gained ~10lbs (mainly mass, little water)
tren/gh/igf-1 for 2 months - gained ~13lbs (all mass, and lost water)

I would say the GH has played a role in there somewhere. Fat burning effects are very noticeable as well as the other nice things everyone else notices (smooth skin, great mood, deep sleep etc.). As far as mass goes though, time will tell. I definitely think it augments the gains of AAS but I don't think I would have gained this much from tren so far without the hgh/igf-1.

**znak** · 10-25-2005, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by supersteve

I would say the GH has played a role in there somewhere. Fat burning effects are very noticeable as well as the other nice things everyone else notices (smooth skin, great mood, deep sleep etc.). As far as mass goes though, time will tell. I definitely think it augments the gains of AAS but I don't think I would have gained this much from tren so far without the hgh/igf-1.

My experience in the nutshell. When you use hgh and AAS, your muscles go into overdrive.

**vitor** · 11-03-2005, 04:40 AM

How about some regular updates?? this is a good thread!

supersteve · 11-03-2005, 06:55 PM

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**Polska** · 11-03-2005, 10:43 PM

I love this log. Good job supersteve. I can't wait to try IGF-1 next month.

**tek.** · 11-03-2005, 11:18 PM

awesome log, hows your skin you mentioned that its helped within the first few weeks. Whats the status? its the gH, but does igf-1 help with your skin also? cheers

**rodge** · 11-04-2005, 12:50 AM

funny that you mentioned the growing a shoe size,this is something i noticed too this week. my shoes does'nt seem to fit anymore the way they did.

-rodge

supersteve · 11-04-2005, 01:03 AM

Little bit of acne on my forehead now that i've added the dht, but im sure that will clear soon.
igf-1 seems to give me a little acne in weird places. GH definitely eliminates it it though.
Tren give me a little bit on my shoulders during the first 2 weeks but it came and went very quickly.
Besides that skin is extremely smooth. I've got this gay guy in my class at uni and he's forever telling me how smooth my skin looks as well as asking to touch my arms haha. I think the tan definitely helps with that smooth as silk look though.

Strange that I never got night sweats with tren. I did sweat a lot during the day and while at the gym. At at night I felt very hot and slept with nothing covering me - but still no sweat.

Wow superdrol seems to be a very unique compound. Tren pumps are awesome as those from lr3-igf1 as you all know. But the pumps I got today were absolutely ridiculous. The strength gains also stopped coming with tren a few weeks ago. I've been stuck on the 80lb dumbells for shoulders since week 5, but today I did 10 of the 85's and they were going up like air. Not sure if it's superdrol or dht (as it is also a heavy androgen), but as long as the weight flys up I don't care lol.
3 weeks and 2 days of tren shots left, am hoping for another 6-7lbs. I think the combination of that and superdrol will get me there. Fingers crossed.

I'd be lying if I didn't say I felt like death. I'm very lerthargic. Thankfully I finish uni next week forever. But the assignments over the last 2 weeks have killed me. Very stressful time. Haven't had much sleep. Getting only 6-7hrs. And on the weekend when I have the chance to get 10-12hrs I just can't seem to sleep more than 7-8hrs. Sleep is constantly interrupted as well because I get up atleast twice to pee everynight, sometimes 3-4 times. Hopefully it isn't effecting my recovery too bad. My muscles don't feel sore the next day, so i guess they are healing fine (probably due to the GH).

Got 500iu of jin from gensci coming on monday

supersteve · 11-04-2005, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by rodge nl.

funny that you mentioned the growing a shoe size,this is something i noticed too this week. my shoes does'nt seem to fit anymore the way they did.

-rodge

I'm not sure if they are growing in width or length. Perhaps both.
I measured my feet just now and they are 30cm long exactly, so I will measure them at the end and see if they grow anymore.

**rodge** · 11-04-2005, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by supersteve

I'm not sure if they are growing in width or length. Perhaps both.
I measured my feet just now and they are 30cm long exactly, so I will measure them at the end and see if they grow anymore.

i only notice it in lenght.

-rodge

**Slic4788** · 11-04-2005, 02:01 AM

I think I've heard that twice now from slin or igf users...(growing of feet). I think it's definitly not bone but is cartilage sinc igf doesn't have much to do with bone density, but helps with cartilage growth.

Oh yah the reason that I also LOVE this log is because of 1)his age(eheh) 2)he makes everything nice long and detailed. Details are everything.

**vitor** · 11-04-2005, 02:07 AM

Noticed any grow on the jaw? Or other facial areas?

supersteve · 11-04-2005, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by vitor

Noticed any grow on the jaw? Or other facial areas?

I was worried about this for a little while when I was getting pains in my jaw while on igf-1 and because my face and jaw looked rounder due to water retention. But now that the water retention is gone it looks the same as it did before I started anything - phew

Also, for a second I was worried about GH gut because I walk around all day looking like im pregnant - and my dad keeps mentioning that i've now got a gut. But then I just realised that it's because im so bloated from the 5500kcals im eating everday and the copious amounts of milk/water i drink.

Originally Posted by Slic4788

Oh yah the reason that I also LOVE this log is because of 1)his age(eheh) 2)he makes everything nice long and detailed. Details are everything.

Glad you appreciate it.

**Gear** · 11-04-2005, 04:42 AM

Stevo, lookin sharp bro. Good on ya mate.

-Gear

**BIG BASTARD** · 11-04-2005, 07:52 AM

Good Writing!!

supersteve · 11-10-2005, 10:38 PM

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**vitor** · 11-11-2005, 03:31 AM

Looking very good, Steve! What bloat? you look ripped! When you put some more size in upperbody, you will be jacked for sure! How much have your lift increased since starting?