Thread: insulin q's
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08-05-2006, 03:16 PM #1New Member
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insulin q's
whats up everyone, i just started taking insulin today and i have a couple of questions that i hope someone can answer for me.
first off i've done plenty of research but there arae a few questions i cant answer
1. do you cycle on and off from insulin, if so how many on how many off
2. what are the average gains, and how much of that do you keep when you go off
3. and finally should i expect any fat gain
i appreciate all the help i can get. thanks
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08-05-2006, 03:23 PM #2
here is a good start:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=192403
-rodge
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08-05-2006, 03:27 PM #3New Member
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thasnks man great link
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08-05-2006, 03:30 PM #4New Member
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help me get this straight.
insulin forces nutrients(protein) into muscles. The only reason you need to take carbs is so you dont become hypo. Try to take as little carbs as possible so you dont get fat but enough so you dont ****ing kill your self.
does that sum it up
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08-05-2006, 08:02 PM #5
Yes it sums it up, but best advice I got was in an article which stated DO NO RUN INSULIN WITHOUT A GLUCOSE METER. Once you determine your baseline level at different times of the day, it is important to check level to be sure you are ok. If you go hypo it may be too late, get the meter and don't gamble. Also very good idea if training partner/spouse/girlfriend etc. knows what you are doing. It could save your life if you go into shock.
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08-05-2006, 08:41 PM #6
You should really do the full research before use, but here are your answers anyway.
Most cycle insulin 4 weeks ON/OFF, so cycle longer, some cycle without breaks but IMO you're best of with the 4 ON/OFF method as that is what most do successfully.
You won't gain much from slin, no size or strength if that's what you're after. It will shuttle nutrients into cells so it's great for recovery that's why people use it PWO, great through PCT too to help maintain gains.
Fat gain depends on what you eat. When using insulin you should only be consuming carbohydrates and proteins at certain times. Once insulin is no longer active you may eat as you usally do.
-Gear
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08-05-2006, 08:43 PM #7Originally Posted by yankeeman411
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08-05-2006, 08:46 PM #8Originally Posted by spicyer
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08-06-2006, 06:39 AM #9New Member
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thanks guys appreciate all the info
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08-06-2006, 07:35 AM #10
good luck bro and be safe.
-rodge
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08-06-2006, 09:15 AM #11Originally Posted by Gear
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08-07-2006, 12:24 AM #12Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
I never said one should wait to feel dizzy and then take the nutrients, that would be just plain out silly. I was trying to state that even if your BG is low, you can still feel fine. Yes it would be a good idea to take carbs when your BG is low, but it doesn't mean you will go hypo if you don't take carbs at that time. That's what I was trying to say.
By the way, no need for attitude, if you don't agree to something just state it in a meture manner, or don't state your opinion at all.
-Gear
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08-07-2006, 08:08 AM #13Originally Posted by Gear
As far as my experience with insulin.
1: I'm a diabetic for over 20 years
2: Have had extensive diabetic education.
3: Was a camp counselor for young diabetic camp for 4 years.
4: Taught diabetic educational classes to teens.
5: Also held seminars for teens on exercising with diabetes.
But I'm sure you read some stuff on the Internet and have tried slin so you know more.
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08-07-2006, 08:55 AM #14
Yankeeman, looks like your thread has turned into a little debate, either way, the bg levels that are being discussed can't be determined unless you have a bg meter. Get one it can save your life.
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08-07-2006, 10:08 AM #15Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
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08-07-2006, 10:58 AM #16
What about the 1-2IU with each meal alternative to PWO slin?
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08-07-2006, 10:59 AM #17Originally Posted by vermin
not worth it imo. best is to take slin when we can use its benefits the most... PWO.
-rodge
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08-07-2006, 11:33 AM #18Originally Posted by rodge
I not telling this guy to eat 100g of carbs if his sugar is 50 but to ignore it because he doesn't feel symptoms is wrong. Also gear is giving out this advice to someone who hasn't tried slin. They might not be completely sure what the symptoms feel like.
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08-07-2006, 08:39 PM #19Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
I really think you are still missundersting what I'm trying to say though, and I belive its because you are looking at the way diabetics use insulin. And that's why you are missunderstanding me because insulin use for enhancing purposes is totally different to insulin use for a diabetics. I was never advising anyone to not consume carbs just because they don't feel hypo. All I was saying is that some don't have to take carbs the same time as others. It's all about experimenting and figuring out how your body reacts.
No I don't just read what I see on the net. I give advice from facts and personal experience. I've been on this board for many years, and I have had many come to me asking for help when it comes to insulin use, many of them. And not one has ever come back not happy with the advice I have given them. They always come bask and thank me and tell me about their gains, and now you come along that has probably never used insulin for enhanicing purposes before and try and tell me what to and not to do when it comes to slin use. Give me a break bro, let's just move onto the next subject.
Let em repeat this again because you keep on repeting yourself. When using insulin for enhancing purposes, you must treat insulin differently to the way one treats insulin that has diabetes.
-Gear
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08-07-2006, 08:51 PM #20Originally Posted by Gear
I do agree a lot with what you are saying but what about putting a cut off reading even in the sticky on when someone should take carbs. Maybe say a bg reading of 40 or below should take X amount of carbs even if hypo symptoms aren't felt?
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08-07-2006, 09:02 PM #21Originally Posted by rodge
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08-07-2006, 09:13 PM #22Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
Bro insulin use for enhancment purposes isn't safe practise. It's just how it is. If you read Einstein's thread on insulin use you will see even he recomends to take just enough carbs to stay from going hypo.
I always say "use the BG monitor as a guideline". This means if you can't tolerate your BG at 50, then consume carbs at 70 or so. That is what I meant by saying "use the BG as a guideline".
-Gear
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08-07-2006, 10:45 PM #23
The thing is, BBers use insulin the more dangerous way. They do this to ensure they don't gain any excess fat while at the same time they are still getting great recovery and not going hypo either. As said earlier on, it is dangerous practise, but it's how insulin is used when it comes to bodybuilding. This isn't the way diabetics use insulin.
Perhaps a beginner should always make sure they are consuming more than enough carbs just to be safe, but this certinly isn't the way to use insulin. Once they get a feel of what insulin does, they can start to play around with carbs consumption amount and that's when they will see better results.
-Gear
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08-07-2006, 10:55 PM #24Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
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