permanantly damaging yout thyroid with T4?

**G-Force** · 07-29-2007, 03:19 PM

ive been pretty much running t4 (with hgh) for a year now

started on 50mcg and am now on 200mcg with 8ius hgh

i am worried that when i come off my throid is going to pack up on me and i am going to get fat

i guess what i am asking is how can u run t4 safely?

taper off or stop dead? how long should you stay off?

**olvios** · 07-30-2007, 09:17 AM

Supposedly up to 400 mg it will not damage a hypothyroid patient but you arent one.You are "hypo" with the gh in a way but you balance it out with the T4.I would go first slowly stoping the gh then slowly taper of the T4. Doctors changed doses for t4 in 2month stages in my case so when changing a dose you should take that into account but with Gh and the backlash i have no idea.

**BOUNCER 01** · 07-30-2007, 12:31 PM

I've done 100-150mcg for 6 months and cycled off it by tapering down, recovered perfectly without any drawbacks.

**cold1** · 07-30-2007, 10:58 PM

If memory serves me correctly, t-4 is converted to t-3 as the body needs it. So I would think that you would be safer coming off a long run of t-4 than forcing t-3 into your system.

**G-Force** · 08-01-2007, 09:50 AM

ok thanks will stop the gh first then taper down the t4 over a month or so

man i hope i dont get fat

**plzr8** · 08-01-2007, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

ok thanks will stop the gh first then taper down the t4 over a month or so

man i hope i dont get fat

keep us posted...i've been curious to hear peoples feedback after discontiniung thyroid meds after prolonged use

good luck

**WelshWarrior** · 11-07-2007, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by G-Force

ok thanks will stop the gh first then taper down the t4 over a month or so

man i hope i dont get fat

Bump to see how you got on G-force?

**G-Force** · 01-08-2008, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by WelshWarrior

Bump to see how you got on G-force?

well the result are in

I GOT FAT lol

man it sucked

was off hgh and t4 for about 3months

needless to say i am back on again now lol

**Gear** · 01-08-2008, 10:20 PM

Have ran 100mcg per day for over a year and never had any issues, but everyone is different.

-Gear

**G-Force** · 01-09-2008, 08:27 AM

yeah i would prefer to run it constantly i am just worried about damaging my thyroid permantly so try and come off for 3 months of the year

GEAR
you ever go higher than 100mcg while on high doses of hgh ?

i go upto 200mcg if i am running 8iu's or more

**Lexed** · 01-09-2008, 10:20 AM

how much weight did you gain while off?

**alny** · 01-09-2008, 03:59 PM

best way to find out is to get a blood test to check t4 levels. also one of the signs your taking took much thyroid is a faster heart rate.

**Gear** · 01-09-2008, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by G-Force

yeah i would prefer to run it constantly i am just worried about damaging my thyroid permantly so try and come off for 3 months of the year

GEAR
you ever go higher than 100mcg while on high doses of hgh ?

i go upto 200mcg if i am running 8iu's or more

I have gone to up to 200mcg a few times but I don't need the feel for that much T4. 100mcg is all is needed.

-Gear

**Booz** · 01-09-2008, 06:13 PM

i have never used over 50mcg with the use of growth thats ample for me.........

**G-Force** · 01-10-2008, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Lexed

how much weight did you gain while off?

i was off cycle too

i just suddenly came off everything
wasnt the way i planned it but i ran out of gh and couldnt get anymore

i lost about 7kg and put on about 4% bf - was a terrible time

**goose** · 01-11-2008, 09:09 AM

Thats what I had a carb crash when I dropped HGH after a year use,very complex to adjust your carbs to stop the ever adding BF%,thats why I`m going to use a HRT dose for life,lots safer and fits with my goals,use the short cyles and carb cyling for growth.Why the fuc a person would play with your thyroid I dont know,scared of a little extra cardio? Nigga please.Adding t4 will only aid in an extra 10% fat loss at most (from the total lost from HGH).I love the idea of using less drugs.For me I noticed nothing adding t4.

Check out this old thread with the pro the legend pinn

Is T3 really needed when your on HGH???

**G-Force** · 01-11-2008, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by goose4

Thats what I had a carb crash when I dropped HGH after a year use,very complex to adjust your carbs to stop the ever adding BF%,thats why I`m going to use a HRT dose for life,lots safer and fits with my goals,use the short cyles and carb cyling for growth.Why the fuc a person would play with your thyroid I dont know,scared of a little extra cardio? Nigga please.Adding t4 will only aid in an extra 10% fat loss at most (from the total lost from HGH).I love the idea of using less drugs.For me I noticed nothing adding t4.

Check out this old thread with the pro the legend pinn

Is T3 really needed when your on HGH???

goose - u saying its crazy to play with your thryroid but fine to plat with you liver, kidneys, heart from AAS and basically all your internal organs if your on GH, your insulin sensitivity and your life if your on slin and your own testosterone production lol

i guess where u draw the line is different for some people

**plzr8** · 01-11-2008, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by G-Force

goose - u saying its crazy to play with your thryroid but fine to plat with you liver, kidneys, heart from AAS and basically all your internal organs if your on GH, your insulin sensitivity and your life if your on slin and your own testosterone production lol

i guess where u draw the line is different for some people

we all know the differnet potential risks involved with aas, insulin, hgh, etc....

his comments were in regards to your original question of thyroid effect and hgh usage...not sure why you are bringing up all this other stuff because its not really proving a point?

i believe the idea is that there are many hgh vets, who have been using consistantly for so many years, many with the assistance of doctors, without any thyroid meds with great success...

**G-Force** · 01-11-2008, 01:42 PM

Goose just checked out that thread

the thread was abot the use of T3 with HGH not T4

obviously they are both thryoid drugs and i suppose this is a little off topic
since we were talking permanatly damaging your thryoid

but did you ever see the thread fromm Redbaron regarding use of T4 with HGH
apparently when the T4 is converted to T3 in the body a chemical is released - this chemical is what is beneficial while using GH

it is not actually the T4 or the T3 but the chemical released when conversation takes place

it was a long time ago that i read it, but it think that was the general jist of it

i will have a look see if i can find the thread when i have some time

**G-Force** · 01-11-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by plzr8

we all know the differnet potential risks involved with aas, insulin , hgh, etc....

his comments were in regards to your original question of thyroid effect and hgh usage...not sure why you are bringing up all this other stuff because its not really proving a point?

i believe the idea is that there are many hgh vets, who have been using consistantly for so many years, many with the assistance of doctors, without any thyroid meds with great success...

what i said was in jest
but seems u missed the point here

his comment was "why the fuc would someone mess with their thyroid"

so i jokingly commented back that its kinda ironic to say thryroid drugs are crazy but everything else is fine

perhaps u misread what i wrote

**goose** · 01-11-2008, 01:57 PM

When your thyroid gland produces too much thyroid hormone, this is known as hyperthyroid.Problem is G-force,Blood tests for thyroid function measure the amount of TSH, T4, and T3 in the bloodstream. But thyroid hormones don’t operate within the bloodstream; the action takes place in the cells themselves. Blood tests are measuring how much thyroid hormone is swimming around in the blood stream, but not what is in the cell,so it means very little to get tested,at least with AAS when I get blood test I know whats going,I will not take these risks.With hyperthyriod you can get Graves' disease,When it causes acutely increased metabolism, it is sometimes called "thyroid storm", a life-threatening event,real nasty shit,just ask your doc...

You still in the porn game brother? I wish I could join you but my penis is small...

**G-Force** · 01-14-2008, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by goose4

When your thyroid gland produces too much thyroid hormone, this is known as hyperthyroid.Problem is G-force,Blood tests for thyroid function measure the amount of TSH, T4, and T3 in the bloodstream. But thyroid hormones don’t operate within the bloodstream; the action takes place in the cells themselves. Blood tests are measuring how much thyroid hormone is swimming around in the blood stream, but not what is in the cell,so it means very little to get tested,at least with AAS when I get blood test I know whats going,I will not take these risks.With hyperthyriod you can get Graves' disease,When it causes acutely increased metabolism, it is sometimes called "thyroid storm", a life-threatening event,real nasty shit,just ask your doc...

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welll i havent done a B/G shoot for a few months but done lots of solo's for gay websites etc (hey dont laugh - they pay well)

also tryin to make my own site with a photographer friend of mine, and have a few girls lined up to shoot with

also brancing out into the world of foot fetish since it is so popular

selling pics of my girlfriends feet on ebay for £10 a pop lol

**Kennedy** · 01-14-2008, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

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Thats great!!!

How did you get into if I may ask? Any previous threads?

**G-Force** · 01-17-2008, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Kennedy

Thats great!!!

How did you get into if I may ask? Any previous threads?

why? are u in to feet? lol

maybe u should PM me

**vitor** · 01-17-2008, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by G-Force

lol well i admire your honesty

welll i havent done a B/G shoot for a few months but done lots of solo's for gay websites etc (hey dont laugh - they pay well)

also tryin to make my own site with a photographer friend of mine, and have a few girls lined up to shoot with

also brancing out into the world of foot fetish since it is so popular

selling pics of my girlfriends feet on ebay for £10 a pop lol

Feets?!?!Most be a british thing lol...

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, Sounds like your thing...

I have given this some thoughts myselves actually....

**G-Force** · 01-21-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by vitor

Feets?!?!Most be a british thing lol...

Try to audition for Porn-movie studios(no small time crap studios but a big one). If you get it, regular salary(greate salary if you make it big), hot chics, an honest living

, Sounds like your thing...

I have given this some thoughts myselves actually....

yeah i have done a few films with big british companys
killergram being the biggest in the uk

i am doin a shoot for a televison x next month too

feet is definiterly not just a british thing - i just posted several cd's to america today lol