taking exogenous insulin will shut down natural pancreatic secretion action

[bogdan84uzy]

hi my friends!!i want to use humulin-r.i know the prototcol but i have one big problem.i know that taking exogenous insulin will shut down natural pancreatic secretion action(and this can make me a diabetic).with the steroids i take HCG and i bring back my test.levels.what PCT should i do after insulin??it is METFORMIN good???or...???

P.S.ls give me answer only about that subject,and not advices not to take or something like that.pls write only if you know the answer.thanks a lot

[Gear]

Even though many bodybuilders have turned diabetic, there is no actual proof insulin use can lead to diabeties. When using insulin, PCT is not needed.

-Gear

[bogdan84uzy]

so what should i do?taking insulin and hope not to become diabetic?if i use it 3times/week after workout.what are the risk?and it is nit better for pancreas to use METFORMIN on my off-days of insulin?thnks bro

[bogdan84uzy]

i don't need proof that exo.insulin turn you diabetic,because it is logical-when you inject a hormon from outside of your's body,your's body stop his own production of that hormon(the feedback).right?

[Gear]

If you're affraid of side effects insulin may cause, then stay away from that drug, simple as that. If you are going to go ahead and use this compound, ensure you use it properly and follow the correct protocol.

What are the risks of using insulin 3 times per week? That would be hard to say as everyone is different.

Metforimin is used to control blood glucose levels. If you follow the correct diet, there should be no need for you to use this drug. When insulin is out of your system, your blood glucose levels will correct themselves therefore Metformin once again isn't necessary. This drug is for people with type 1 diabetes.

Before I head off, I highly recomend using a faster acting insulin such as Humalog.

-Gear

[Gear]

i don't need proof that exo.insulin turn you diabetic,because it is logical-when you inject a hormon from outside of your's body,your's body stop his own production of that hormon(the feedback).right?

Yes it certainly seems that way, however, we canot 100% confirm anything without scietfic studies. That's all I'm saying.

-Gear

[longhorn814]

the last thing this kid needs to take is insulin ...see one of his other previous threads

PCT..what more drugs can i use?

[Titleist]

Wow.

[perfectbeast2001]

No one can answer this question for you. insulin is one of the riskiest drugs in the bodybuilders arsenal. Use at your own risk. If you have any doubts then my advice would be to stay away. Results are not huge compared to AS anyway.

[Kratos]

A biologist you are not, that's for sure bogdan. I would leave the insulin alone for now if I were you. You are already making good gains, right?

[agnisz]

I agree, there is no reason to use Metformin and probably also you are not ready for insulin .

Metforimin is used to control blood glucose levels. If you follow the correct diet, there should be no need for you to use this drug. When insulin is out of your system, your blood glucose levels will correct themselves therefore Metformin once again isn't necessary. This drug is for people with type 1 diabetes.
-Gear

Small correction - Metformin is used for type 2 diabetics.

[Gear]

My mistake, type 2 I meant.

Thank you.

-Gear

[NotSmall]

i don't need proof that exo.insulin turn you diabetic,because it is logical-when you inject a hormon from outside of your's body,your's body stop his own production of that hormon(the feedback).right?

Yes but if you eat say 6 meals containing carbs in one day and only take insulin PWO then providing you use a fast acting insulin it is only going to be present for at most 2 of those meals leaving your pancreas free to get some exercise dealing with the other 4.

I have also heard heard an argument supporting the benefit of exogenous insulin in giving the pancreas a break!

[Markmets]

Your body will automatically regulate its own insulin . So if you are not diabetic and take a short acting insulin, like humulin r, then your body has time to react and just produce less of its own insulin. If you do a fast acting insulin, the overflow of insulin in the body should force extra protein synthesis, reduce protein degredation(muscle wasting), and increase your muscles amino uptake.

If you use insulin over a long period of time, in thoery, your body could become accustomed to producing less insulin than it needs. Also, excess insulin in the body could eventually cause the insulin receptors in your cells to become less sensitive. Mix the two: not enough insulin being produced + insulin resistant cells could be characterized as type 2 diabetes. Again you really need to know how your body reacts to the type of insulin you take. When you go to the doctor you should always have an HBA1C done with your blood panel and that will tell you a 3 month average of your glucose. If its excessively low you are probably using too much insulin. You also want to be sure to eat the correct food combinations with the insulin- a good balance between fat, carbs and protien will allow more effective utilization of the insulin. In general a great diet to follow is a diabetic diet.

[bogdan84uzy]

thanks man!!!great info!!i think on using insulin on my PCT,because it is anti-catabolic,and also raise LH&FSHfor about 4-6weeks(3times/week,PWO).what do you say about that?it is safe this protocol?i will keep my gains from my cycle?some people tell me that i will keep them for sure+i will gain new pounds....what do you know.thanks bro

[bogdan84uzy]

and also i have another problem..you said that if i will use a fast acting insulin ,my body will have time to react and regulate his own insulin'production...this is ofcourse good for my health,but if i use insulin in this way can it be effective for building muscle?it is not like you are using an injection of sustanon250 every3weeks?you understand my ideea?using insulin in this way it may be not sufficient for building muscle...what do you think??it is more like using test.propianat once a week..it is not enough to keep an anabolic level in blood...it is not the same with HUMILIN-R,3times/week???

[gixxerboy1]

I think extremely high calorie diets put you at more risk for diabetes then taking insulin

[longhorn814]

am I the only person that thinks its a terrible idea for this kid to take slin? Read his previous threads..first cycle 1.5 gram sust/wk and 80mg dbol /day and now wants slin and hasnt broken 190lbs..kids like this are why steroids and other compounds have such a bad rap..spend more time on your diet and less time on drugs

[taiboxa]

depends on how one is to utilize insulin ..
lets say your one of those DEXTROSE pwo kinda people.. well HOLY HELL taking a boatload of dextrose to spike ones own endogenous slin is kinda idiotic.. its a very taxing workload to put on your pancrease day in and day out.. so if you were to use exogenous slin to basically give your pancrease a BREAK, you could practically run it indefinetly in that manner but if you are going to use it w/ every meal then your looking at putting your pancrease into atrophy and shutting it down..
but there are so many factors and variables its really hard to say what is best..

EITHER WAY i dont really care.

[Markmets]

am I the only person that thinks its a terrible idea for this kid to take slin? Read his previous threads..first cycle 1.5 gram sust/wk and 80mg dbol/day and now wants slin and hasnt broken 190lbs..kids like this are why steroids and other compounds have such a bad rap..spend more time on your diet and less time on drugs

I totally agree!! Bogdan you would be wasting your time and money, not to mention the risk you are taking. You obviously need to do more research. Insulin would only be effective in serious muscle gains if and only if you are on the right diet. Determining a good diet to effectively utilize insulin for serious muscle gains could take months or longer. Plus you need to understand how insulin works in your body and why is has the potential to produce mass and when you should do injections. You dont seem to know any of this.

True story: a friend of mine went into hypoglycemic shock for about 5 min while his brother, who just happened to be in the house, was able to revive him by forcing orange juice down his throat. In the five min that he was out he suffered enough brain damage that he lost all motor functions permanently (he can understand people, but he cant speak anymore). That was after just 5 min. Insulin for you is prob not worth it.

To kinda answer your question you cant do three shots a week of humulin and expect anything except bouts of low blood sugar. By having excess insulin just ligering in your system will not maintain and ongoing "anabolic effect". Insulin does not work like that.

[bogdan84uzy]

k,but how it work?tell me right way(and also safe)...also insulin can be use to bulk easy?

[longhorn814]

k,but how it work?tell me right way(and also safe)...also insulin can be use to bulk easy?

see previous posts..do NOT use insulin ...you are no where ready for it...Ive been doing this for a long time and still have no desire to touch slin

[Gear]

k,but how it work?tell me right way(and also safe)...also insulin can be use to bulk easy?

Assuming you have taken everyone elses advice into considertaion, insulin is not your best option if you want to bulk. It will help you with recovery but it will not pack on the strength and size like AAS. Some people don't even feel much when using insulin, however, this doesn't mean insulin is not doing what it's supposed to be.

I don't need to warn you about this drug as I'm sure you have heard it enough.

-Gear

[bogdan84uzy]

i am on this forum to get info...i will start taking a drug when i will know eaxctly for what i will take it andhow to avoid the side effects

[bogdan84uzy]

i have read on wikipedia about insulin secretion drugs from meglitinide class..this is good for taking post-cycle after a therapy with insulin,like we take HCG after steroids ?and also for insulin resistance METFORMIN it is good no?it is good to take this drug also with DIANABOL for ex.because it cause also insulin resistence,no?

[Gear]

You don't need METFORMIN. You can control your BG levels by watching what you eat, how much you eat and at what times you consume these nutrients.

-Gear

[bogdan84uzy]

i don't need metformin for what drug?DIANABOL ?HGH?INSULIN ?all o f this cause insulin rezistence

[Gear]

You don't need it for any of those.

-Gear

[longhorn814]

since when does dbol cause insulin resistance?

[bogdan84uzy]

longhorn814...i dind't have give you an aswer until now,because i have seen that you are an idiot that predat to know a lot,and tolk about bodybuilding but don't pick up a weight.but know i write you because i see that you are a verry big idiot.do so more research idiot...i have write...P.S.ls give me answer only about that subject,and not advices not to take or something like that.pls write only if you know the answer.thanks a lot; and not for you to give me advice asshole

[longhorn814]

longhorn814...i dind't have give you an aswer until now,because i have seen that you are an idiot that predat to know a lot,and tolk about bodybuilding but don't pick up a weight.but know i write you because i see that you are a verry big idiot.do so more research idiot...i have write...P.S.ls give me answer only about that subject,and not advices not to take or something like that.pls write only if you know the answer.thanks a lot; and not for you to give me advice asshole

wow you really want to get banned from this site with a response like that!! Your immature response shows you are no where mentally or physically ready for these compounds..I have never flamed you..all I did was suggest you dont need to do these compounds b/c your previous threads have shown that you are not very well educated on the subject matter. Call me names all you want, I dont care as I outgrew name calling many years ago Ive been around this board long enough to have earned respect from the vets and mods which is something you should try doing

[longhorn814]

my bad..double post

[Gear]

Bogdan,

There is no need to speak to anyone is such way. If somebody offended you then please let me know and I'll take it further from there. If you want to argue or call people names, please do it via PM. Some members don't want to see that kind of behaviour.

-Gear

[bogdan84uzy]

thanks gear,i like your's advice and the way you give me your's advice,but that guy...k thanks once again

[Gear]

Not a problem, let's just keep it peaceful.

-Gear

[longhorn814]

Bogdan,

There is no need to speak to anyone is such way. If somebody offended you then please let me know and I'll take it further from there. If you want to argue or call people names, please do it via PM. Some members don't want to see that kind of behaviour.

-Gear

Gear, for the record I NEVER posted anything to offend this kid. Based off his previous threads, it was my opinion as well as others that he does need to be messing around with this stuff. I would never tell someone who is not ready to start messing around with insulin or any other AAS. Simple fact is he didnt want me to say that and he got pissed. He should apologize to me for that crap he posted.

[Gear]

Gear, for the record I NEVER posted anything to offend this kid. Based off his previous threads, it was my opinion as well as others that he does need to be messing around with this stuff. I would never tell someone who is not ready to start messing around with insulin or any other AAS. Simple fact is he didnt want me to say that and he got pissed. He should apologize to me for that crap he posted.

I know that bro . When I said "if anyone offended you", I didn't direct that at you. I said it in general. You're a well behaved member, no question about it.

-Gear

[longhorn814]

thanks Gear..its all cool..some people just dont like it when they dont get the response they want to hear!

[Gear]

Bogdan,

When we discussed the "metformin" issue, I probably should have given you an explenation instead of just saying "you don't need it". Anyway, Metformin is used to control blood glucose levels. This oraly administarted medicine is prescribed to people with type 2 diabetes.

The reason why you don't need Metformin is because you can control your blood glucose by watching what you eat, when you eat and how much you eat (as mentioned in one of my previous posts). If you can concur that (which is the most important part when using insulin ), then you don't need Metformin.

If you are worried about controlling your blood glucose then I suggest you purchase a blood glucose monitor. Even though this piece of device is not excatly a 100% correct every time, it can still give you a pretty accurate answer. This device is very inexpensive yet effective.

Hope that helped.

-Gear

[bogdan84uzy]

thanks a lot