Generic Blue Tops, worth it?

[baseline_9]

Bumping for a reply to post 37...

[The Hyena]

Im bumping this because I just want more info on Pharma GH,
Ive only done Jin and blue tops, damnit....

[GH consumer]

Mighty1,

What do you think about Trimatropin (also from China)?

[Matt]

Mighty1,

What do you think about Trimatropin (also from China)?

Mighty1 has been banned, so you will not receive a response....

Any gh coming out of China comes with the added risks of being absolute garbage....imo.....

[GH consumer]

Mighty1 has been banned, so you will not receive a response....

Any gh coming out of China comes with the added risks of being absolute garbage....imo.....

I was not aware of that.

Offcourse we all know that anything that has to do with profit, black market and fitness has a good chance of being fake, underdosed or pure crap.

I was wondering if any of guys here have any hands on experience with Trimatropin.

Peace

[Callsign]

Not sure if anybody posted this already, but why does it have to b one or the other? Why not buy pharm grade and blue tops & split it how ever you can afford.

[38jumper38]

HGH its magic......................

[GH consumer]

HGH its magic......................

The most who use it agree (providing all the other building blocks are in place: training, diet, cardio, AAS)

Can you elaborate a little more on your opinion of HGH?

[GH consumer]

Not sure if anybody posted this already, but why does it have to b one or the other? Why not buy pharm grade and blue tops & split it how ever you can afford.

That is exactly what the most are doing.

Chinese GH for quantity and Pharm Grade for quality.

Allthough I beleive that some Chinese HGH is just (or very close to) as good as any pharm grade without the high price tag.

That is why there are so many people today using GH and if it was all just pharm grade most would not be on considering the financial aspect.

[dec11]

That is exactly what the most are doing.

Chinese GH for quantity and Pharm Grade for quality.

Allthough I beleive that some Chinese HGH is just (or very close to) as good as any pharm grade without the high price tag.

That is why there are so many people today using GH and if it was all just pharm grade most would not be on considering the financial aspect.

surely all gh quality should be the same. i mean what is 'very close to it', half gh and half filler?? the stuff is becoming a fookin mine field as far as legitimacy is concerned

[s.norman]

if the blue tops r giving u all the typical side effects (carpal tunnel, sleepiness, etc) then it is good quality

[Callsign]

I buy one to two 15iu kit a month of american dr prescribed stuff, cant post price, but it's doable. Then I've been filling the gap with Chinese yellow tops. Without a doubt Im getting pretty lean.. veins showing up all over, & it's only been about 2 months
Not to mention, you will get the prescription & packaging making it easier to transport your medicine anywhere!!!

[GH consumer]

I buy one to two 15iu kit a month of american dr prescribed stuff, cant post price, but it's doable. Then I've been filling the gap with Chinese yellow tops. Without a doubt Im getting pretty lean.. veins showing up all over, & it's only been about 2 months
Not to mention, you will get the prescription & packaging making it easier to transport your medicine anywhere!!!

What dose are you running now, with the combined Kits?

Is there any difference in potency in your experience between the two?

[Callsign]

no, no difference I've noticed. The yellows were potent stuff!!! Started feeling numbness in my hands pretty quickly. Im only doing 2iu a day, & when my 15iu runs low, I carefully mix up a yellow & extract the contents to inject it into my pharm grade.
I'd have to say the yellows gave the most side effects for sure, but i don't know that that translates to potency.

[carp123]

kigtropin/riptropin are cpmeing out of china now and have a very good rep here in the uk .

[GH consumer]

What is the opinion on Trimatropin?

Anyone have any experience on this GH?

They also come out of China and I found some random opinions from people but it would be better to hear it from some of the people on here

I am running Trimatropin now at 2IU e.d., so if no responses come back I will be able to post my own experience with this GH

[GH consumer]

no, no difference I've noticed. The yellows were potent stuff!!! Started feeling numbness in my hands pretty quickly. Im only doing 2iu a day, & when my 15iu runs low, I carefully mix up a yellow & extract the contents to inject it into my pharm grade.
I'd have to say the yellows gave the most side effects for sure, but i don't know that that translates to potency.

How is your experience with 2IU ed so far?

That is what I am running (Trimatropin) and I always like to collect as much information about relevant subject as it makes comparison easier

[dec11]

im using genetropin at the moment, its good hgh. suprised not to have seen it mentioned on the forum. i had to drop down to 1iu pd, to make it last due to jacking my job in and it still is leaning me out. i was out of training for over 2mths and my diet was crap, i lost very little muscle (lost tone more than anything else tbh) and still kept leaning

[Callsign]

Sorry for the delay bro, my email notifications arent working. At 2iu a day I am leaning very well with the syntropin, & when I take the American stuff I use 1iu

[nicnitro]

no advertising any sources please

Sorry - I didn't think naming a brand was advertising; like Trimatropin and genetropin, etc. named above and others mentioned numerous times in this and many other threads on this site.
So as I stated, I have had an UG HGH (probably from China) sent to a certified USA lab with a reputable staff and the product came back perfect, just as advertised.
At $4 an IU I am happy with the product and my lab results from blood work bear out the labs results as well.

[Duckhombre]

The chinese are a dynamic group, and they are changing all the time. They are moving very quickly with their technology, and private enterprise is driving a new chinese manufacturing sector. In 5-10 years, the quality will be par with ours, or close to it.

[GH consumer]

The chinese are a dynamic group, and they are changing all the time. They are moving very quickly with their technology, and private enterprise is driving a new chinese manufacturing sector. In 5-10 years, the quality will be par with ours, or close to it.

Yes, which is also not surprising. The growth of Chinese economy shows that private enterprise is growing at an incredible rate. This as always pushes technology and progress and produces quality.

No wonder all the big economists said years ago that this century belongs to China. Their economy has grown over 10% the last year which is nothing short of stunning. And they have so much more room for more progress.

[JimInAK]

This debate reminds me of the good old days, when some people argued that Japanese cars were bad (poor quality, junk, etc.) and we should support our nation by buying American. The problem was that the parts used to build the America cars were manufactured in Mexico and the corporations are only looking out for their best interests, so you had better be looking out for yours. (FYI - That new 1976 Ford Elite I bought off the showroom floor gave poor workmanship a whole new meaning.)

American pharm manufacturers are propped up through their monopoly, and they have blocked access to the American medical market for Chinese HGH. Their supporters want you to believe that their product is best and superior. If it truly was they would not need to lobby the government to block access to the U.S. market for Chinese HGH, people would chose to buy the superior product.

However, it's clear that someone has an axe to grind and I'm pretty sure it's not the hordes of people flocking to this website to sell phony Chinese HGH that are misrepresenting their product so they can make a fortune. If scammers want to make a fortune selling HGH they would be selling fake pharm HGH for ten times the price of Chinese HGH while asserting that they had the only genuine product....

[GH consumer]

This debate reminds me of the good old days, when some people argued that Japanese cars were bad (poor quality, junk, etc.) and we should support our nation by buying American. The problem was that the parts used to build the America cars were manufactured in Mexico and the corporations are only looking out for their best interests, so you had better be looking out for yours. (FYI - That new 1976 Ford Elite I bought off the showroom floor gave poor workmanship a whole new meaning.)

American pharm manufacturers are propped up through their monopoly, and they have blocked access to the American medical market for Chinese HGH. Their supporters want you to believe that their product is best and superior. If it truly was they would not need to lobby the government to block access to the U.S. market for Chinese HGH, people would chose to buy the superior product.

However, it's clear that someone has an axe to grind and I'm pretty sure it's not the hordes of people flocking to this website to sell phony Chinese HGH that are misrepresenting their product so they can make a fortune. If scammers want to make a fortune selling HGH they would be selling fake pharm HGH for ten times the price of Chinese HGH while asserting that they had the only genuine product....

Spot on!

Smart, argumented and educated.

Information is key.

[Juice Authority]

The argument that Chinese GH is inconsistent is valid. You can live with those inconsistencies in quality and pay a fraction of the price of "American" pharma grade or pay through the nose for Saizen (if you can find it), Serostim, or Humatrope. I've used my fair share of Serostim and while it's quality GH I won't pay that price again. I think HGH is overrated for the price, which is why I personally stick to generics.

[BJJ]

I had the possibility to try and validate with blood work several types of somatropin.
Only 2 of them were PG while the others came from China.
One among all was a complete crap while the others were more or less underdosed.
Obviously, I got good results from the underdosed ones but when I compared them with the results and overall feelings I had with the PG, I understood the difference.

If you can afford it, buy PG rHGH.

[Callsign]

Figured I'd post this here for you guys too, It's a message I sent to a buddy.
Hey man, figured I'd share a little info with you, especially after all the help you gave me. I got my blood test results, & my last test my doc told me my hgh level was 98. I don't kno anything about what all this means, but my doc seemed really impressed. He said now after taking this Chinese stuff (*****) my current blood level is 267, I think.. but, I kno he said I got the test done at 10am, which I guess is a lil late, so he told me when I first wake up It's over 300. Do you know how that sounds for 2iu a day? Unfortunately **** is who I got it from
so no more access for me, but if you can find it, sounds like the real deal!!!

[dec11]

no advertising any sources please

Sorry - I didn't think naming a brand was advertising; like Trimatropin and genetropin, etc. named above and others mentioned numerous times in this and many other threads on this site.
So as I stated, I have had an UG HGH (probably from China) sent to a certified USA lab with a reputable staff and the product came back perfect, just as advertised.
At $4 an IU I am happy with the product and my lab results from blood work bear out the labs results as well.

those arent lab names

[dec11]

seems to me some ppl are more than keen to support chinese hgh on here, i wonder why?

even my source said he wouldnt take money off me for chinese hgh and ppl on here tht im certain have no agenda wouldnt touch it either.

[GH consumer]

seems to me some ppl are more than keen to support chinese hgh on here, i wonder why?

Why is that you think?

Is it because you possibly believe those people are all scammers and pushers of fake GH and they come on here to sell their product?

I hope you do not think that.

If you do, it would be nice to provide evidence otherwise calling and insinuating other members as possible dealers is just rude and creates unnecessery tension on the forum.

It would be the same as that some pharm-grade users are being accused of working for Lilly and pushing their 'superior western products'. This also would be very bad and unwanted.


What I do not understand is the close-mindedness of this discussion in mainly people who prefer pharm grade GH.

Offcourse pharm grade is best, there is no questioning that.

Does that make this discussion closed and has everybody made their mind up in which GH to buy. Unfortunately not.

Why? Because of the price.

We all would buy pharm GH if we had the money but most do not and turn to generics.

And this is what the discussion is about: generic GH is ok/good and could be better VS. generic GH is pure waste of time and money and could potentially kill you.

The first group (open to generics) says 'pharm grade is good, wish I had the money for it' and the second group (pharm grade) say in a very closed mind fashion 'all generics are fake, contaminated and just bad'.

As I see it the generic users are open to discussion and peoples experiences and see the whole picture while the only-pharm-users are very close minded.

Let's talk about which generic is good or bad and not just label all generics that are not from the west as garbage and poison.

The evidence provided by people and even tests suggests otherwise.

The world is not black and white.

[dec11]

Why is that you think?

Is it because you possibly believe those people are all scammers and pushers of fake GH and they come on here to sell their product?

I hope you do not think that.

If you do, it would be nice to provide evidence otherwise calling and insinuating other members as possible dealers is just rude and creates unnecessery tension on the forum.

It would be the same as that some pharm-grade users are being accused of working for Lilly and pushing their 'superior western products'. This also would be very bad and unwanted.


What I do not understand is the close-mindedness of this discussion in mainly people who prefer pharm grade GH.

Offcourse pharm grade is best, there is no questioning that.

Does that make this discussion closed and has everybody made their mind up in which GH to buy. Unfortunately not.

Why? Because of the price.

We all would buy pharm GH if we had the money but most do not and turn to generics.

And this is what the discussion is about: generic GH is ok/good and could be better VS. generic GH is pure waste of time and money and could potentially kill you.

The first group (open to generics) says 'pharm grade is good, wish I had the money for it' and the second group (pharm grade) say in a very closed mind fashion 'all generics are fake, contaminated and just bad'.

As I see it the generic users are open to discussion and peoples experiences and see the whole picture while the only-pharm-users are very close minded.

Let's talk about which generic is good or bad and not just label all generics that are not from the west as garbage and poison.

The evidence provided by people and even tests suggests otherwise.

The world is not black and white.

well i knew you'd be 1st to defend it, mighty1.
jesus, you are so obvious.
tension on the boards over chinese hgh? im causing it? for god sake just look through all the posts about for the past few years and you'll see its the most reputable members on here who say not to trust it, my supplier wouldnt even sell me the stuff!!!!!!!

[GH consumer]

well i knew you'd be 1st to defend it, mighty1.
jesus, you are so obvious.
tension on the boards over chinese hgh? im causing it? for god sake just look through all the posts about for the past few years and you'll see its the most reputable members on here who say not to trust it, my supplier wouldnt even sell me the stuff!!!!!!!

Is it that hard to read?

Where do you see I defend anything?

If anything I concur that pharm-grade is the best.

Open mindedness is the key.

So your supplier won't sell you generic GH and this somehow concludes that ALL generic GH is bad?

Read through the thread pls. there are many people who are open minded and are using generic with good results.

Can we respect their opinions and experiences?

Would the results be better with pharm GH, I would say yes but a generic is better then nothing (like in most things, maybe samsung TV's are the best but with high price many buy other good working tv's).

p.s. Stop with the mighty nonsense and be logical when discussing things.

[dec11]

Is it that hard to read?

Where do you see I defend anything?

If anything I concur that pharm-grade is the best.

Open mindedness is the key.

So your supplier won't sell you generic GH and this somehow concludes that ALL generic GH is bad?

Read through the thread pls. there are many people who are open minded and are using generic with good results.

Can we respect their opinions and experiences?

Would the results be better with pharm GH, I would say yes but a generic is better then nothing (like in most things, maybe samsung TV's are the best but with high price many buy other good working tv's).

p.s. Stop with the mighty nonsense and be logical when discussing things.

see thts where you go wrong, pharm shouldnt be better, it should all be the same, gh should be gh period

cant helpit, you two are soooo similar i think its the one person

[GH consumer]

see thts where you go wrong, pharm shouldnt be better, it should all be the same, gh should be gh period

cant helpit, you two are soooo similar i think its the one person

This is now a good discussion.

The truth is there are not many generics (in any field) that can rival on 1-1 basis an high-cost product (original). Some come close but never to the full extend to the original.

That does not mean the generic is bad, it just means you are getting less and are also paying less.

People's choice.

Just like with the generic of Apple's Ipad (from India).

Indian Ipad is a good copy and works where it needs to work but lacks some things (assortment of apps) to be considered a good rival to the original.

So the only choice people need to make is: how much money have I got and what can I get for it that comes near the original I can't pay.

With GH the same, it should not be a VS situation.

Pharm-grade=nr.1 but expensive beyond most peoples means, the rest of the discussion is which generic GH is good, which, bad, which ok.

Peoples choice.

p.s. you should help it, nobody appreciates being called somebody else, especially if that somebody has been banned and is seen in a negative light.

[dec11]

This is now a good discussion.

The truth is there are not many generics (in any field) that can rival on 1-1 basis an high-cost product (original). Some come close but never to the full extend to the original.

That does not mean the generic is bad, it just means you are getting less and are also paying less.

People's choice.

Just like with the generic of Apple's Ipad (from India).

Indian Ipad is a good copy and works where it needs to work but lacks some things (assortment of apps) to be considered a good rival to the original.

So the only choice people need to make is: how much money have I got and what can I get for it that comes near the original I can't pay.

With GH the same, it should not be a VS situation.

Pharm-grade=nr.1 but expensive beyond most peoples means, the rest of the discussion is which generic GH is good, which, bad, which ok.

Peoples choice.

p.s. you should help it, nobody appreciates being called somebody else, especially if that somebody has been banned and is seen in a negative light.

so what your trying say is generics are going to leave out a molecule here and there and maybe we'll put a diff ingredient in there?!

gh has to be made the way gh is made, or then it isnt gh. how the hell can you compare it to app's on a brainwash pad for god sake?

[GH consumer]

so what your trying say is generics are going to leave out a molecule here and there and maybe we'll put a diff ingredient in there?!

gh has to be made the way gh is made, or then it isnt gh. how the hell can you compare it to app's on a brainwash pad for god sake?

No that is not what I am trying to say.

Please read.

How do you know or presume that generics are leaving something out or putting something else in?

Some are, but assuming all are is also saying to all the people who have used it for years 'your experience is not right'.

I see that logic has little meaning on you. Comparing it to Ipad was not direct and literral but as an example.

Generics, if made right, work. Less cost, good results.

When I go the the pharmacy they give me generics all the time.

Generics made from the East (India, China).

Generics can work, choosing which work requires more work and talking to one another.

[marcus300]

Yes there are people who come on this board just to start discussion and push Chinese fake hgh, many have been banned and more will follow, its common knowledge.

The Chinese are passing off igf, anti -diuretic hormone's, Aromatase inhibitor's and some chemically constructed compounds what give your CT as HGH. It costs millions of dollars to buy the equipment to produce hgh, the technical knowledge to carry out the genetic manipulation needed to produce active hgh isnt going to be the first thing the Chinese are going to be concerned with. That's the reason why these second rate labs dont have a licence because they are only interested in money and not properly producing something what is active and what is very delicate to produce.

Many guys on here try very hard to push Chinese crap saying its all down to your source and not all generics are the same lol , majority of the sources use the same labs for gods sake they only change the boxes and tops. Ive even spoke to a big chinese source and he told me he would ship the boxes seperate to me and which boxes would I like!

The Chinese even poison their own people with the chemically constructed baby foods,milks, food and medications but what do you expect from the biggest counterfeit country in the world. Its laughable what I see in this section regarding Chinese hgh and many user's have blinkers on and wont admit or except they are being ripped off, like ive stated before I wont be buying Chinese hgh ever again and i wouldn't use it if it was free, its full of stuff we haven't even heard of and if anyone has used pharm grade for any length of time at a dose what is required to physically change your body you will know what I am talking about. If your happy buying second rate hgh from a second rate lab you carry on but there is nothing better than pharm grade and many Chinese buyers are misdirected by the cheap price.

Best of luck to you will need it using chinese hgh

[GH consumer]

Yes there are people who come on this board just to start discussion and push Chinese fake hgh, many have been banned and more will follow, its common knowledge.

Starting a discussion is one thing (discussion is always good) and a lot different then pushing fake GH. For that to be true we need 2 things: irrefutable evidence that a discussed brand is indeed fake and evidence of that someone pushing that particular brand. For instance; if someone is describing their personal experience with GH, could that be called pushing that GH? I hope not.

It costs millions of dollars to buy the equipment to produce hgh, the technical knowledge to carry out the genetic manipulation needed to produce active hgh isnt going to be the first thing the Chinese are going to be concerned with. That's the reason why these second rate labs dont have a licence.

In my opinion partly true. The medical market is probably the biggest and most profitable market in the world. Cut-throat competition conditions are insuring that not all parties are treated the same and not everybody who deserves a license gets it and not everyone who has a license deserves it. This applies to almost all fields where money is involved.

The Chinese even poison their own people with the chemically constructed baby foods,milks, food and medications but what do you expect from the biggest counterfeit country in the world.

To be honest, if we all really look at our own western superior products, from medicine to food to cars we can see that in many cases we are being sold pure rubbish for a large price under the name of 'western quality'.

What is that western quality? 35k car when it is made for 3k, skin creams for 67 dollars when they are made for 3dollar, Ipad's for 600 dollar when they are made for 6x less.

The west eats bad food, uses all generic medicine and pays like its original, overpriced cars and houses and in general has a misplaced feeling of 'we are better then anybody else'

Best of luck to you will need it using chinese hgh

Not nice mocking people for their choice. If someone does not have the money to buy original GH and has to settle for generic we should all help him/her to make the right choice in generics and not say 'you are not using the original, good luck to you'.

[marcus300]

To be honest with you have no idea and dont understand what i wrote, you have blinkers on regarding chinese gh.

I am helping by telling them not to buy Chinese hgh no matter which source your getting it from, if they cant afford pharm grade they shouldn't settle for crap coming out of china. If your happy and other users of chinese hgh are happy well best of luck to you, you will need it. Ive been there and tried it for many years and i wont touch it again if it was free.

I guess i better stay out of these chinese hgh threads and leave them to it, best of luck

[dec11]

No that is not what I am trying to say.

Please read.

How do you know or presume that generics are leaving something out or putting something else in?

Some are, but assuming all are is also saying to all the people who have used it for years 'your experience is not right'.

I see that logic has little meaning on you. Comparing it to Ipad was not direct and literral but as an example.

Generics, if made right, work. Less cost, good results.

When I go the the pharmacy they give me generics all the time.

Generics made from the East (India, China).

Generics can work, choosing which work requires more work and talking to one another.

oh you do, do you?
it seemly doesnt have much meaning to you.
how the hell can a compound like hgh be made in any other way but the correct way?