GH vs insulin, and what is your insulin protocol?

**akaz13** · 10-08-2011, 06:04 PM

Been considering GH and a few places are running sales, so I have been doing my homework on it.

Seems that most ppl think GH is better for anti-aging, injury healing, etc vs growth. Seems that ppl regard insulin as more anabolic .

I already use about 210mg deca / wk for connective tissue and I am not very old (41) or worried about wrinkles (doesn't seem that I have the type of skin to wrinkle very much anyway - knock wood - my dad is 71 and not wrinkly).

I vary between 260's-270's BW. And take:

test e 500mg/ wk
tren e 140mg/ wk
deca 210mg/ wk

Been on for 3yrs straight, and do the above blast and cruise style. Really it is accidental that it is b & c, b/c sometime, I just get lazy about injections and they only end up happening once/ wk, which puts me at 1/2 dose.

Post work out I take:

- BCAA
- glutamine

- 60grms whey
- 75grms simple carbs from corn flakes
- 27grms dextrose
- creatine
- beta alanine
- carnitine

- 300mg apha lipoic acid and 400mg gymnestra sylvestra, to help spike (or be more sensitive to) insulin. I know I won't be able to take those if I take slin, so it won't potentiate the slin.

Other than the ALA and gymnestra sylvestra, will I be able to keep that post work out supp routine? I have read conflicting information on the type of carbs to take w/ slin. Also whether to take protein w/ it immediately and whether to wait 20-30 minutes before taking carbs, supps w/ or w/o protein.

http://www.steroid.com/Insulin.php

The second way you can use it is to take 1iu of insulin with your post workout meal, eventually working up to 1iu/10kgs of bodyweight. When using this method, youll want a post workout shake consisting of roughly 100-200g of mixed carbs and 40-50 grams of protein... nd dont forget a small amount of essential fats with your shake.

This says add a small about of fat and implies to take carbs AND protein immediately, but the carbs should be mixed.

Originally Posted by Can't link this b/c of where it is quoted from.

One also must remember that it is very important to consume carbohydrates for several hours following insulin use. One will generally follow the rule-of-thumb, of ingesting at least 10 grams of simple carbohydrates per IU of insulin injected (with a minimum immediate intake of 100 grams regardless of dose). This is timed approximately 20 to 30 minutes after the drug has been administered. The use of a carbohydrate replacement drink such as Ultra FueK by Twin Labs would probably be a good idea, as this is a fast and reliable carbohydrate source. It is best to always have something like this on-hand should you begin to notice too low a drop in glucose levels. Many athletes will also take creatine monohydrate with their carbohydrate drink, since the insulin may help force the creatine into the muscles. An hour or so after injecting insulin, one will eat a good meal or consume a protein shake. The carbohydrate drink and meal/protein shake are absolutely necessary. Without them, blood sugar levels can drop dangerously low, and the athlete will most likely enter a state of hypoglycemia.

This says to get carbs 20-30min after injecting slin, and doesn't say to add protein?

So which method makes more sense? Mixed carbs, fats and protein immediately w/ slin. Or waiting 20-30min after injection to consume carbs (and maybe protein is implied, as the 2nd quote says creatine can be consumed w/ carbs).

Finally, I know ppl use insulin w/ GH, which based on GH recommendations means taking slin for 4-6mos or year around. But when not used w/ GH, how long should slin be run? Cycles or as long as you like?

**GOONBAH** · 10-10-2011, 03:16 AM

never use fats with insulin

insulin is a storing hormone and will store any lipids in the blood stream

best to not have any fats 2 hours prior, and 4 hours post slin inj.

**GOONBAH** · 10-10-2011, 03:28 AM

ok ill spell this out with u the above is rubbish

*no fats for 2 hours per shot.

pre workout meal (protein & carbs no fat) ie chicken rice

train

take slin (follow the 10g simple carb per 1 iu) - ie 10 iu

within 15 mins have a shake with 100 simple carbs, with either protein or aminos . ie. 100g dextrose 60 hydrolised WPI

one hour later have a meal of lean protein and carbs, like ur preworkout meal . ie chicken and jasmine rice

do not consume any fats for 4 hours post insulin inject

enjoy

**littlebill** · 10-10-2011, 03:56 AM

Not needed as the risks greatly outweigh any benefit. Pin your growth and see how hyperglycemic you get. If you temporarily rise to just below 200 don't even think about it. As HGH promotes hyperglycemia and insulin resistance some long term users unfortunately become pre-diabetic and need slin. These are for pros using 20iu + day. Slin is potentially fatal and I strongly discourage use.

**akaz13** · 10-11-2011, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by littlebill

Not needed as the risks greatly outweigh any benefit. Pin your growth and see how hyperglycemic you get. If you temporarily rise to just below 200 don't even think about it. As HGH promotes hyperglycemia and insulin resistance some long term users unfortunately become pre-diabetic and need slin. These are for pros using 20iu + day. Slin is potentially fatal and I strongly discourage use.

I didn't say it was a done deal that I will definitely do it, just gathering information at this point.

If I did go that route, my g/f is a nurse. And I take the safe route w/ most anything and would definitely do so w/ a compound that could be fatal.

**akaz13** · 10-11-2011, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by GOONBAH

ok ill spell this out with u the above is rubbish

*no fats for 2 hours per shot.

pre workout meal (protein & carbs no fat) ie chicken rice

train

take slin (follow the 10g simple carb per 1 iu) - ie 10 iu

within 15 mins have a shake with 100 simple carbs, with either protein or aminos . ie. 100g dextrose 60 hydrolised WPI

one hour later have a meal of lean protein and carbs, like ur preworkout meal . ie chicken and jasmine rice

do not consume any fats for 4 hours post insulin inject

enjoy

thanks, my friend

**littlebill** · 10-11-2011, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by akaz13

I didn't say it was a done deal that I will definitely do it, just gathering information at this point.

If I did go that route, my g/f is a nurse. And I take the safe route w/ most anything and would definitely do so w/ a compound that could be fatal.

Best of luck as I'm sure you will make an educated informed decision. And having a GF as a nurse is great. GL

**Hondarocks** · 10-11-2011, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by littlebill

Not needed as the risks greatly outweigh any benefit. Pin your growth and see how hyperglycemic you get. If you temporarily rise to just below 200 don't even think about it. As HGH promotes hyperglycemia and insulin resistance some long term users unfortunately become pre-diabetic and need slin. These are for pros using 20iu + day. Slin is potentially fatal and I strongly discourage use.

Finally a voice of reason, people keep wanting to take insulin , so stupid!

**karl lane** · 10-11-2011, 08:54 PM

Insulin is so easy to get that's why so many people use it. If you get your blood work done and know your blood sugar levels you will be better able to determine how high a dose you can take. Insulin is a great anabolic and one of the best kept secrets in the sport. The number one reason I don't use it. THE SHIT CAN KILL YOU. Take a shot and don't eat and you're in a coma. Plain and simple. Once you get that lazy feeling and you feel tired you need to get food in you soon. If the rewards are worth the risk then it's a great choice but I wouldn't use it.