Incredible Anavar Experience

[Random]

im working on some pics guys..ill be gone for the weekend but ill get some pics and more info on monday...my diet is the same every single day, every day. it consists of about 4,000 calories, 280-300 grams of protein, 500 grams of carbs, and 50-100 grams of fat..i have a cheat meal once every 2 wks

[soccer#3]

lookin good, i'd work a lil more the chest tho

post the pics in the picture forum, u'll get good and more response there

[Random]

thanks man, yea the chest needs work for sure...

[bball_playa]

good work bro! thats it im going to do some VAR sign me up

[Phreak101]

Toss in some prop with that var and you've got yourself a real nice cycle. I love Anavar , mild side effects, solid gains, keeps my BP down, doesn't bother my HPTA, not very toxic to the liver, etc.

Good job bro, excellent log!

[Random]

thanks alot guys, yea im adding test prop to my contest prep this summer should be good!....

[ProtienShak3]

AWESOME LOG BRO !!!!!! subscribed ! anavar interests me the most out of any steriod ive rearched once i feel i have a solid enough base i will more than likely try a var cycle. Im especially interested in your pct when you finish up and the bloodwork you are having done.. any sides so far? You are looking great for sure nice gains keep us updated!

[Random]

thanks again man...ill keep posting for sure...no real sides so far..sex drive is down just a bit but with the tribulus and NO2 i still feel fine, i was a little worried about hairloss but i havent seen any yet, and no acne either...right now it seems the longer i use it the more explosive i get in the gym...still havent decided on whether ill go to 7 or 8 weeks but im still getting bloodwork done next week and still doin PCT as well, next run i might try 80mg a day but im guessing for most people 60mg like i did will do wonders...i still step on the scale and wonder how this all happened in 6 weeks!!!

[*Narkissos*]

ok now for the good stuff....this one was taken yesterday...in this pic im 190.5lbs and 7.9% bodyfat...

great improvements

I don't think you're at 7.9 % tho

[Natural1]

great improvements

I don't think you're at 7.9 % tho

Yeah, your abs show pretty decently for your size but you are nowhere near 7.9 bro, not a flame just my opinion.

[*Alex*]

hey man looking solid, your bf is way down. hey what do you think about stacking var with test e?

[Random]

thanks a lot man! i think its a great idea, the var will help you get those good lean gains....im stacking test prop with var this summer for my competition....id use the test e wks 1-12 then add some var at wk 6-12...at 60mg to cut you up

[BEER WHORE]

what kinda of var was it?

[Random]

its UGL...

[AnabolicAndre]

Impressive dude!

Looking good and great log!

[Random]

thanks man..ill keep it updated

[Random]

oh another thing guys...i guess some profiles say that you lose appetite while using var...i havent experienced any of that, im still ravenous at every meal but keeping my diet very strict..thats been the determining factor here as far as gains go...

[BajanBastard]

Aye, aye Cap'n

[Random]

ok guys, halfway through wk 7 and still doin great, i just keep getting stronger on every lift..i wonder when its gonna plateau?!!! alot of new veins showing too! heres a comparison of wk 1's shoulder lifts...today was shoulders and tris...

military press--set 1 --115x10 reps
set 2--135x8 reps

and this was today

military press 145 x10 reps
165x7 reps
145x 10reps

close grip bench---155x8 reps
185x8 reps
205x6 reps
225x 4 reps
tomorrow i get bloodwork done, hopefully ill get the results back soon, then ill post them...

[llsdotmacll]

lookin good, keep goin strong

[johnsomebody]

tomorrow i get bloodwork done, hopefully ill get the results back soon, then ill post them...

Absolutely -Var is supposed to be pretty bad on the HDL/LDL levels. I read one HIV study where they were comparing Var with Deca for weight gain -the Var gave as much lean mass and less fat but the study was stopped after 8 weeks (if I remember right) because the Var patients had such bad lipid profiles compared with the deca patients.

[Random]

johnsomebody..yea man thats good to know, gonna get checked up tomorrow...ive been taking a large dose of *****s 3, 6, and 9 along with cholesterol support formula and niacin...hopefully everything will be normal...how long does it take to get back blood work results?

[ProtienShak3]

I was at the doctor yesterday so i ordered a test level and lipid profile and liver blood work said turn around time was round 2-3 days figured i might as well see what my base was then run a nother before i start a cycle (probably 6 months out) compare and run bloodwork mid cycle like you are and then blood work before and after pct term.

lookin huge man!!! did u run blood work before your cycle ? im definatly interested in the test and hdl levels you're at mid cycle.

Still no sides ? keep us updated a var only cycle looks awesome so far how much weight u put on?

If you have done some tbol id be interested to hear your thoughts between the 2

[Random]

thanks alot man, yea still no sides, feeling great! i got bloodwork done this morning and my results will be sent to me this week, i didnt run bloodwork before my cycle but everything was normal...so far ive dropped 2% bodyfat with NO change in diet (still at 450-500grams of carbs everyday) and Zero cardio. ive put on roughly 13 lbs of muscle by calculation..i started at 180lbs and 10% BF and i am now 191.5lb and 7.9% BF...all my lifts are up huge and i am way more cut than when i started. I have some new chest and leg veins showing up too! Overall its been just an awesome run, im not gonna run it much longer so i have time to PCT in time to recover then begin a contest cycle for this summers contest. At 60mg i have experienced ridiculous gains in size and strength...and im happy and feel great! maybe next run ill bump it to 80mg for 6-8 wks, ill keep posting some pics..ill probably run it a couple more days then im gonna get bloodwork done again next wk or so..any questions guys just PM me..thanks again guys for the support

[ProtienShak3]

you make it sound like the end all be all i want some lol!!! man u look thick as hell keep us updated thanks for the great log !

[BajanBastard]

Absolutely -Var is supposed to be pretty bad on the HDL/LDL levels. I read one HIV study where they were comparing Var with Deca for weight gain -the Var gave as much lean mass and less fat but the study was stopped after 8 weeks (if I remember right) because the Var patients had such bad lipid profiles compared with the deca patients.

I would like to see this study. I've never heard of var being hard on HDL/LDL ratios.

[*Narkissos*]

I would like to see this study. I've never heard of var being hard on HDL/LDL ratios.

ditto.. i don't think it was Var that was used. I believe it was Drol v.s. Deca .

Johnsomebody can you find that study?

Thanks

[*Narkissos*]

Looking thick BTW Capt!

[Natural1]

Is that all you're taking right now is the var? I havent heard of var causing much acne......

[Random]

Thanks Narkissos!...yea thats all im taking is 60mg of var ED plus all the other natural supplements

[johnsomebody]

ditto.. i don't think it was Var that was used. I believe it was Drol v.s. Deca .

Johnsomebody can you find that study?

Thanks

No, I'm sorry to say I can't find it among my files.
I'll do a search and see if I can track it down. I don't want to be spreading false info, esp since I'm leery of Var myself since reading that study.

[johnsomebody]

This isn't the same study since it's Var only vs placebo but it brings up the HDL/LDL probs:
http://www.jaids.com/pt/re/jaids/abstract.00126334-200603000-00006.htm;jsessionid=EJOO9ysK3RH9V5q4sMPMFInQHVteH S7MJcXUs5JdmxpHvBhoT8uz!329698451!-949856144!9001!-1?index=1&database=ppvovft&results=1&count=10&sear chid=1&nav=search

In reference to the above study:
"The randomized, double-blind trial among 262 HIV-positive men was the largest study of its type on men with HIV-associated weight loss, according to the study authors.

For the first 12 weeks of the trial, the men were randomly assigned to receive daily doses of either 20, 40, or 80 milligrams of the anabolic steroid oxandrolone or a placebo. They were allowed to receive open-label oxandrolone for the second 12-week period.

Grunfeld says the adverse effects of the steroids were clear-cut within the first 12 weeks. "HDL plummets. LDL goes up. This predisposes people to an increased risk of heart attack. Furthermore, we found grade III and grade IV liver toxicity in some men, which means a very significant risk of serious liver damage." The men's testosterone levels were also depressed. These effects were not seen in men taking placebo, according to Grunfeld.

The researchers observed that in men with the most wasting, the 20 milligram dose was more effective than higher doses in promoting weight gain. Subjects who weighed more and were healthier – and were therefore more like athletes who use the drugs, observes Grunfeld – required higher doses to gain weight. This is significant, he says, because it demonstrates in healthy people, "you need a higher dose to get a benefit – and the higher the dose, the more the toxicity."

Based on observed changes in HDL and LDL, Grunfeld estimates that heart attack risk would be increased 58 percent among men taking 20 milligrams of oxandrolone per day, two-fold with a 40 milligram daily dose, and three-fold with 80 milligrams."

I'll dig around more for the deca v Var one, since it pointed out that deca is way better for HDL/LDL levels by comparison.

Keep in mind I've done 40mg/wk Var myself for 12 weeks, which is when I was doing the research I mentioned before.

[johnsomebody]

Here's the conclusion of a study using 20, 40 or 80mg Var/day for 12 weeks:

"Although the investigators note that treatment with the steroid was generally “well tolerated” they note that over 5% of patients had moderate or severe increases in levels of liver enzymes and that “LDL levels decreased and HDL levels increased.”
http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/91060...D48F33F51D.asp

I'd recommend anybody doing a cycle with Var get your HDL/LDL levels checked while on cycle (and your liver enzymes as well, though that's harder to do) to see how you're reacting. That's true with any cycle though, IMO.

[*Alex*]

so the study was done over 24 week period?dont you think a 7 week period on var is less of a risk on your liver? and do you think milk tisle will prevent your liver enzymes from rising???

[Panzerfaust]

Looking good bro, just goes to show you how ****ing big you can look at 190lbs w/ low BF%. The average person would place you well over 200lbs...kick ass.

[Random]

muriloninja ...hey thanks alot man...ill keep you guys posted on my blood work next wk

[johnsomebody]

so the study was done over 24 week period?dont you think a 7 week period on var is less of a risk on your liver? and do you think milk tisle will prevent your liver enzymes from rising???

I've always thought it was kinda received wisdom to restrict Var (or any oral) to six weeks or so for that reason. After 12 weeks on it for me my HDL was low and LDL high but it wasn't in any kind of danger zone. Thing is it'll differ from person to person, so you gotta be smart, like this guy is, and get checked.

You can buy an HDL/LDL self-tester at any big drug store for like $25 -you just put blood drops on a card and send it in and they'll send you the results a few days later. (Make sure you get the one that tests for HDL/LDL and not just total cholesterol only.)

[*Alex*]

This isn't the same study since it's Var only vs placebo but it brings up the HDL/LDL probs:
http://www.jaids.com/pt/re/jaids/abstract.00126334-200603000-00006.htm;jsessionid=EJOO9ysK3RH9V5q4sMPMFInQHVteH S7MJcXUs5JdmxpHvBhoT8uz!329698451!-949856144!9001!-1?index=1&database=ppvovft&results=1&count=10&sear chid=1&nav=search

In reference to the above study:
"The randomized, double-blind trial among 262 HIV-positive men was the largest study of its type on men with HIV-associated weight loss, according to the study authors.

For the first 12 weeks of the trial, the men were randomly assigned to receive daily doses of either 20, 40, or 80 milligrams of the anabolic steroid oxandrolone or a placebo. They were allowed to receive open-label oxandrolone for the second 12-week period.

Grunfeld says the adverse effects of the steroids were clear-cut within the first 12 weeks. "HDL plummets. LDL goes up. This predisposes people to an increased risk of heart attack. Furthermore, we found grade III and grade IV liver toxicity in some men, which means a very significant risk of serious liver damage." The men's testosterone levels were also depressed. These effects were not seen in men taking placebo, according to Grunfeld.

The researchers observed that in men with the most wasting, the 20 milligram dose was more effective than higher doses in promoting weight gain. Subjects who weighed more and were healthier – and were therefore more like athletes who use the drugs, observes Grunfeld – required higher doses to gain weight. This is significant, he says, because it demonstrates in healthy people, "you need a higher dose to get a benefit – and the higher the dose, the more the toxicity."

Based on observed changes in HDL and LDL, Grunfeld estimates that heart attack risk would be increased 58 percent among men taking 20 milligrams of oxandrolone per day, two-fold with a 40 milligram daily dose, and three-fold with 80 milligrams."

I'll dig around more for the deca v Var one, since it pointed out that deca is way better for HDL/LDL levels by comparison.

Keep in mind I've done 40mg/wk Var myself for 12 weeks, which is when I was doing the research I mentioned before.

what do vets/mods think about this study?

[llsdotmacll]

hey i might hav missed this, but are u taking any other supps with the var tabs?

[Random]

yea man ...i am taking a multi vitamin, niacin, tribulus, cholesterol support formula, creatine, whey protein blend, No2, saw palmetto, dutasteride ED, vitamin C and E, Liver Detox Formula...