Incredible Anavar Experience

[*Alex*]

where did you get the liver detox formula?

[llsdotmacll]

u could prolly jus supplement Perfect Cycle as a liver protectant

[MAXIMA5]

Those are extraordinary results from 6o mg ED. Very impressive Daniel-son.

[Random]

Thanks alot guys...i used the NOW brand liver detox 3 caps per day every day...the Perfect cycle liver detox is another great formula...im pretty confident my liver values arent up that much...ill know sometime next wk...

[AnabolicAndre]

wow dude good job with the cycle results look great. makes me wanna try my var

[Random]

Thanks man..trust me its good, with a good diet you can make huge gains off this stuff...every day that past i seemed to keep getting bigger while getting more cut..im gonna get some more shots this week...

[AnabolicAndre]

The only thing i would advise for next run around, while typically with bodybuilders we consume enough EFA's, I'd drop the niacin (it too can impact LDL levels) AND just throw in extra EFA's. I mean it not really THAT BIG of a deal but its noted var's effect of tryglyceride levels.

[Random]

I'd drop the niacin (it too can impact LDL levels)

i was taking 250mg of niacin per day plus 24grams of o m e g a 3,6. and 9....i dont think niacin can impact LDL levels in a bad way..? any reference? heres what i found...

"Nicotinic acid reduces LDL-cholesterol levels by 10 to 20 percent, reduces triglycerides by 20 to 50 percent, and raises HDL-cholesterol by 15 to 35 percent."

[Ufa]

Unfortunately, most drug studies
are done on street people

[Liftnainez]

amazing progress bro.. keep us updated on your bloodwork, and pct.. awsome job!!

[*Narkissos*]

"Although the investigators note that treatment with the steroid was generally “well tolerated” they note that over 5% of patients had moderate or severe increases in levels of liver enzymes and that “LDL levels decreased and HDL levels increased.”
http://www.aidsmap.com/en/news/91060...D48F33F51D.asp

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That study is flawed:

The study was conducted between the autumn of 1996 and the summer of 1998. Treatment with antiretroviral drugs was not a prerequisite for entry to the study, but if an individual was taking anti-HIV treatment, they were required to have been taking a stable regimen for at least six weeks. The investigators do not state how many patients were taking anti-HIV therapy, nor do they analyse their results according to the use of antiretrovirals, making it difficult to determine the applicability of these results in patients experiencing HIV-related wasting despite antiretroviral therapy.

Too many variables can explain why the levels were influenced.

The environment was not a controlled one.. namely that is the biggest flaw.

The AIDS patients.. some were using other drugs... some not..

I suspect the flaw is the same in the other study.

Thanks for posting however

~Narkissos

[*Alex*]

bump, for blood work results!

[the good guy]

nice work

[Random]

Thanks bro...more news on the way tomorrow...

[llsdotmacll]

lookin foward to it

[johnsomebody]

That study is flawed:



Too many variables can explain why the levels were influenced.

The environment was not a controlled one.. namely that is the biggest flaw.

The AIDS patients.. some were using other drugs... some not..

I suspect the flaw is the same in the other study.

Thanks for posting however

~Narkissos

Well, people should keep in mind that studies on high levels of drugs like Var are rarely if ever done on healthy people. (Why should they be? They were never designed for healthy people.)

But I think it would be a big mistake NOT to get your cholesterol and HDL/LDL levels checked during any cycle, esp one with orals involved and esp if you have a history of high cholesterol or a genetic predisposition to it. You always have to weigh the risk/benefits in anything you do in life, but if you don't have the necessary info (and I mean testing), it's not possible to make a rational decision.

[johnsomebody]

By the way, CD, your arms are excellent!

[llsdotmacll]

i think ur lats/back has shown great improvement as well

[Random]

johnsomebody[QUOTE][But I think it would be a big mistake NOT to get your cholesterol and HDL/LDL levels checked during any cycle, esp one with orals involved and esp if you have a history of high cholesterol or a genetic predisposition to it. You always have to weigh the risk/benefits in anything you do in life, but if you don't have the necessary info (and I mean testing), it's not possible to make a rational decision.
/QUOTE]

yea johnsomebody is absolutely right..i dont think anyone can afford not getting bloodwork these days..its very easy to do and a safe plan...thanks again to Everyone for the comments and support guys...

[goldenFloyd]

my rat was on accutane for several months with normal blood lipids. Giving him powder anavar from china at a dose of 80mg / day caused his liver values and LDL to increase very significantly while his HDL dropped like an anchor. This is to be compared with the similar increase in liver values (ALT/AST) when my rat drank alcohol excessively one weekend while previously on accutane (and not taking anything else) - there were very minor changes to his HDL/LDL values. Thus, the inflammation of this rat's liver is not necessarily correlated to HDL/LDL variance. The removal of anavar while still on accutane returned the rats levels to normal after approximately 8 weeks. I hope my rat doesn't die of an anavar-induced heart attack. :P

[ProtienShak3]

on a 2nd note goldenfloyds rat increased his bench 20 lbs and his deadlift 50 lbs!

rofl!

Captin great thread man very informative and you have made some great progress im lookin foward to your bloodwork results . I get mine tomorrow as well to use as my 1st baseline .

Makes me think a test + anavar cycle mught work pretty good im a search the boards and see if anyone has done that.

keep us updated thanks man!

[MAXIMA5]

my rat was on accutane for several months with normal blood lipids. Giving him powder anavar from china at a dose of 80mg / day caused his liver values and LDL to increase very significantly while his HDL dropped like an anchor. This is to be compared with the similar increase in liver values (ALT/AST) when my rat drank alcohol excessively one weekend while previously on accutane (and not taking anything else) - there were very minor changes to his HDL/LDL values. Thus, the inflammation of this rat's liver is not necessarily correlated to HDL/LDL variance. The removal of anavar while still on accutane returned the rats levels to normal after approximately 8 weeks. I hope my rat doesn't die of an anavar-induced heart attack. :P

Dude, I have an alcoholic steroid abusing rat also.
Crazy little mother*ucker.

[goldenFloyd]

on a 2nd note goldenfloyds rat increased his bench 20 lbs and his deadlift 50 lbs!

rofl!

Captin great thread man very informative and you have made some great progress im lookin foward to your bloodwork results . I get mine tomorrow as well to use as my 1st baseline .

Makes me think a test + anavar cycle mught work pretty good im a search the boards and see if anyone has done that.

keep us updated thanks man!

my rat did a bit more than that - he was also on RGH - rat growth hormone . Mousy moral: always get blood work done and don't cycle orals on Accutane. Looking forward to CDs bloodwork numbers.

[*Alex*]

bump for blood lab results....

[Random]

Hey guys..sorry for the delay..you know how it is with doc appointments...i did get a chance to talk to my doc today and he said everything is within range but my liver values were slightly up..he said it was no big deal and that im doin well... i will post the full results this wk i promise...he is sending my lab results this wk...

[*Alex*]

Hey guys..sorry for the delay..you know how it is with doc appointments...i did get a chance to talk to my doc today and he said everything is within range but my liver values were slightly up..he said it was no big deal and that im doin well... i will post the full results this wk i promise...he is sending my lab results this wk...

good to hear. I just order my cycle of var which i will be doing along with test e sometime in july. hope to get great results like you.

[*Alex*]

good to hear. I just order my cycle of var which i will be doing along with test e sometime in july. hope to get great results like you.

shit cost an arm and a leg...........

[Random]

Alex..yea man with test and var you should make good solid gains that youll keep along with cutting up too...im gonna run test prop, var and NPP for my contest in july...im pumped with the results ive gotten, i started cardio 2 days ago and gonna start my diet and contest prep late May...maybe ill do a contest cycle and diet thread here too....later guys...

[Random]

Guys its day 7 of PCT and strength is still through the roof...i did pull ups for my first exercise with 20 second rests 3 sets of 12 reps...im still getting INSANE pumps that feel like my arms are gonna explode! along with that i just feel amazing! i feel as strong as a Dinosaur! it doesnt matter what little rest i get between sets i can still train heavy and im the strongest ive ever been at 189lbs! Theres no sign of any lost gains at all..in size or strength..well see how this week ends up but right now im even stronger than i was last wk when i was still on var....

[ProtienShak3]

awesome man ! see i have a bottle of phera plex sittin round but im thinkin why bother with that when var has been around way longer with tons more research and easy enough to get. i think you have me sold man! what did your doctor tell you your test level was at?

[llsdotmacll]

i think just about everybody reading this forum has been sold on the var

[ProtienShak3]

bump for updates!!!!

[MAXIMA5]

i think just about everybody reading this forum has been sold on the var

I would advise everyone not to expect the same results. Var is great, don't get me wrong, but results vary.
Taurus had poor results with his Var cycle, and Cpt.Dom. had amazing results. If your results are somewhere closer to Dominate's results, be happy.

[Njectable]

amazing bro, you've really thickened out, but at the same time leaned up as well, your obviously doing everything right. Good luck with your comp.

[Random]

Thanks so much guys!!!...tomorrow i will post my blood work results...

[ProtienShak3]

nice we will hold u to it!!!

[Random]

Guys here are my bloodwork results as i promised..

The first number is my actual result and the second set is the recommended range...sorry theyre bunched up..it wouldnt show up right...

Sodium 142 135-145
Potassium 4.6 3.6-5.1
Chloride 104 100-110
Co2 29 22-29
BUN 18 5-25
Creatinine 1.3 0.8-1.0
Glucose 81 70-110
Bilirubin 1.0 0.1-1.0
Alk Phosphataste 72 62-129
AST (sgot) 40 15-35
ALT (sgpt) 73 25-62
Protein 7.3 6.3-7.9
Albumin 4.2 3.4-4.6
Calcium 9.7 8.7-9.9
Total Cholesterol 190 0-236
Triglycerides 105 0-199
HDL 38 40-60
LDL 152 0-159
White blood cell count 4.9 3.5-10.5
Red Blood cell count 5.81 4.3-5.7
Hemoglobin 14.8 13.5-17.5
Hematocrit 44.4 38-50
MCV 76.4 81.2-95.1
MCH 25.5 27-33
MCHC 33.4 32-36
RDW 14.2 11.8-15.6
Platelet 240 150-450

[llsdotmacll]

everything is looking near perfect congrats

[llsdotmacll]

ur log was great, i hope u decide to keeep another one for ur competition cycle

[Random]

Thanks alot llsdotmacll! Yea i was thinking the same thing too..i probly will keep a cycle and contest log and post it..It begins on May 22nd and it will be in this section...im looking forward to it and including var the last couple wks of course!