King's Test E and DBol Cycle

[Johny-too-small]

I know what youre going through with the hair thing. Dont sweat it. Right now youre very aware of any bad sides and I think that youre just a bit paranoid. Thats okay.

My scalp got really itchy for 3-4 days real early in the cycle and I noticed a few hairs. This is nothing to be concerned with. I'll bet you wont even notice anything more in a few weeks.

I agree with THETOPONEPERCENT, keep your lifts compound and focused on getting up a ton of weight with minimal sets. You'll notice some insane pumps.

By the way, I know youre always asking me for pics in my threads...so WHERE ARE YOURS?

[MartyMcFly]

Yeah, I dropped the L-dex from .5mg to .25mg to see if that helps. I think I will stay at 40mg/day for the Dbol, as I think I am seeing some hair shedding. Although that could be the duta kicking in. I don't see much on my pillow in the morning, maybe 2 or 3 hairs. Most of the shedding is in the shower. But then the rest of the day if I run my fingers through my hair, I come up with 1 or 2 hairs or sometimes nothing. So I don't know if that is Dbol related, duta related, or just normal everyday hair shedding. I know that while on duta there is a period of shedding, I just don't know when that is suppose to kick in. My hair doesn't appear to be any thinner. Maybe I am just paranoid. But I will keep an eye on it.

I believe that it is normal shedding. I had a roomate who was losing hair and it came out a lot. Clogged up our drains and was all over the house.

[king6]

Sorry about the pics guys, I will get a transfer cable with my first paycheck, whenever that will be. So when you say compound sets, you mean stick to 3 sets at lower reps and heavier weights? I do lower reps and heavier weights, just at 4 or 5 sets. I will also throw in an extra set and just burn the muscle with low weight and high reps.

[MartyMcFly]

compound movement are basically the opposite of isolation movements. Like BB bench, dips, DLs, squats, etc.

[king6]

Did back today. My energy seemed sapped today, it does most days. But I don't do anything all day except go to the gym. But I start school tommorrow, and start working soon. So the extra activity should help me with my energy levels. Also I'm getting discouraged about my gains. I have put on a total of 7lbs in the past 11 days. Which is right about normal I think. I just don't know how much is muscle. I think I look bigger sometimes, then other times I don't. But I think I know why. I am constantly looking at my body in the mirror, so I will try to refrain from that. If I am always looking at myself, then of course I wont see any changes. I will also only weigh myself once a week. I also dropped my l-dex to .25mg/day in case that it is hindering my gains.

[king6]

Also I'm going food shopping tomorrow. I'm trying to get ideas on what food would be good to bring to school. Does anyone know if rice cakes are a good source of complex carbs? Also I will look for some oatmeal bars. I think it will be hard to find some with out all that sugar. I plan on getting some protein bars and some muscle milk.

[king6]

DAY 12


Did legs today, some added strength. Plus I also do my incline bench on leg days, and I was up from 205 to 215. So I think some strength is coming on. Plus I think I looked a little bigger. My shirts are fitting a little snugger. Have not weighed myself in a few days, and will not for a few days more. Also did my fourth injection today. The test should be kicking in pretty soon. At least I hope, I am using a certain fire breathing beast. But I think it will be good to go.

[thetoponepercent]

DAY 12


Did legs today, some added strength. Plus I also do my incline bench on leg days, and I was up from 205 to 215. So I think some strength is coming on. Plus I think I looked a little bigger. My shirts are fitting a little snugger. Have not weighed myself in a few days, and will not for a few days more. Also did my fourth injection today. The test should be kicking in pretty soon. At least I hope, I am using a certain fire breathing beast. But I think it will be good to go.

I was just wondering why you split up your chest routine? Don't you think you would gain more by completely working your chest and then allowing recovery time? I go every 5 or 6 days between chest and I am still not fully recovered. If I was doing additional chest half way through then it would only make my recovery time take that much longer.

[king6]

I was just wondering why you split up your chest routine? Don't you think you would gain more by completely working your chest and then allowing recovery time? I go every 5 or 6 days between chest and I am still not fully recovered. If I was doing additional chest half way through then it would only make my recovery time take that much longer.

I found that if I combine my chest workout I can't lift as much on incline. But if I do incline on a seperate day I can lift more because my chest is not fatigued. I do flat bench and decline bench on the same day. Then on leg days I do incline.

[MartyMcFly]

I found that if I combine my chest workout I can't lift as much on incline. But if I do incline on a seperate day I can lift more because my chest is not fatigued. I do flat bench and decline bench on the same day. Then on leg days I do incline.

I would do incline bench first off. I think it is the best chest exercise IMO. Try some weighted dips instesd of doing decline.

[king6]

I would do incline bench first off. I think it is the best chest exercise IMO. Try some weighted dips instesd of doing decline.

Yeah, I will try the weighted dips the next time. I am also thinking of bumping the Dbol up to 50mg. I will also increase my calories. I am just not satisfied with my weight gains. I have been stuck at 184 for like a week. I started at 177. Also I don't think my strength is where it should be. I make gains here and there but not across the board. I dropped the L-dex to .25mg, maybe that will help a little. I am thinking of adjusting my workout routine as well. I couldn't help but notice most of you guys only do 3 or 4 sets. I usually lift heavy with everything. I do 5 sets for 6 reps. But I fear that may be overtraining. I am thinking of doing 4 sets of 8 reps. Would do you guys think. I have always had good success with lifting heavy in regard to gaining mass. But AAS workouts may need to be different.

[Fordfan01]

Good luck with the cycle king ill be keeping a close watch on it im starting my test e and dbol cycle this friday!!

[king6]

Good luck with the cycle king ill be keeping a close watch on it im starting my test e and dbol cycle this friday!!

Good luck bro. Hopefully you will make better gains than me. I try not to get discouraged, maybe I'm just being to critical of myself. Oh well, I will just keep eating and training, and I think it will all catch up.

[Fordfan01]

Good luck bro. Hopefully you will make better gains than me. I try not to get discouraged, maybe I'm just being to critical of myself. Oh well, I will just keep eating and training, and I think it will all catch up.

Thanks how much weight have u put on since uve started?

[king6]

Thanks how much weight have u put on since uve started?

7 lbs in 12 days. Which I guess isn't bad.

[thetoponepercent]

Yeah, I will try the weighted dips the next time. I am also thinking of bumping the Dbol up to 50mg. I will also increase my calories. I am just not satisfied with my weight gains. I have been stuck at 184 for like a week. I started at 177. Also I don't think my strength is where it should be. I make gains here and there but not across the board. I dropped the L-dex to .25mg, maybe that will help a little. I am thinking of adjusting my workout routine as well. I couldn't help but notice most of you guys only do 3 or 4 sets. I usually lift heavy with everything. I do 5 sets for 6 reps. But I fear that may be overtraining. I am thinking of doing 4 sets of 8 reps. Would do you guys think. I have always had good success with lifting heavy in regard to gaining mass. But AAS workouts may need to be different.

Listen to your body. You want to get the max out of your workout and then give yourself time to recover before you work that body part again. The heavier the weight to more strain you are putting on your body. My body simply can't take 5 or 6 set of flat BB bench. I think I would hurt myself if I went heavy for that many sets. And if you aren't going heavy and pushing yourself then you prob aren't maximizing your gains.

Sounds like you are making good gains in strength. Don't focus on the weight so much. I increased in my chest at 10lbs in set weight week over week after the dbol kicked in on the second week. You are on the same track.

[Fordfan01]

that sounds pretty good to me are u taking 30 mg of dbol a day still? if so how often?

[king6]

that sounds pretty good to me are u taking 30 mg of dbol a day still? if so how often?

I'm on 40mg/ed. But thinking of upping it to 50mg, I might do that for the last 2 weeks of the dbol .

[Fordfan01]

Im goin to be taking 30 ed but im thinking bout bumping it up to 45 u think that would be better?

[king6]

Im goin to be taking 30 ed but im thinking bout bumping it up to 45 u think that would be better?

I would say start with 40mg/ed then take it from there.

[Fordfan01]

my prob is i only have 15 mgs and only enough for 30 mgs ed for a month should i get 30 more and just do 45? THe 15s are the only ones i can get

[king6]

my prob is i only have 15 mgs and only enough for 30 mgs ed for a month should i get 30 more and just do 45? THe 15s are the only ones i can get

I would get some more, I bought enough for 30mg/day, but then I bought some more and I'm glad I did.

[king6]

Well I had some blood drawn about a week ago as part of a check up, and the doc called today to state that my liver function was a little off, so I guess the Dbol is ligit. This was before I started running Liv 52. But now I'm running Liv 52 and Milk thistle. Plus I only have 2 weeks left of the Dbol, so I think it will be fine, I will just avoid the doc until the conclusion of the Dbol. Then the values should return to normal.

[dhriscerr]

Watching this post bro, Good luck and Semper Fi

Oh yeah, look at the mirror all you want but take a picture at the begging of everyweek and put them next to each other thats a better way to see gains. Same pose and distance. When I was bulking (natty) I could never see gains but people started telling me I looked bigger so I started taking a picture every monday and taping them to my wall next to each other to see the transformation. Good luck man, I start Thursday!!!!! But just Test E at 500mgs so I wont feel anything for about 4 weeks probably.

[king6]

Watching this post bro, Good luck and Semper Fi

Oh yeah, look at the mirror all you want but take a picture at the begging of everyweek and put them next to each other thats a better way to see gains. Same pose and distance. When I was bulking (natty) I could never see gains but people started telling me I looked bigger so I started taking a picture every monday and taping them to my wall next to each other to see the transformation. Good luck man, I start Thursday!!!!! But just Test E at 500mgs so I wont feel anything for about 4 weeks probably.

OOH-RAHH! Good luck with that cycle. If I had to do it all over again, I would have opted for a test prop kickstart instead of a DBOL kickstart. I will start taking pictures to compare myself. I took some a few days ago and my rear delts look bigger. Also since I dropped my L-dex to .25mg, I have a little bloating going on.

[king6]

Did bi's and tri's today. It was a pretty good lift, strength was up with everything. Also the pumps were pretty good too. I took off my shirt after my workout, and it looked strange. They didn't even look like my arms because they were so pumped. My forearms got the best pumps, but bi's and tri's were good too. Tomorrow will be shoulders, this is the one muscle that has been lagging lately, so we shall see if the power trend continues.

[Fordfan01]

wat does ur tri and bi workout consist of?

[king6]

wat does ur tri and bi workout consist of?

Close grip bench 4 sets 8 reps @ 205 lbs
Cable curls 4 sets 8 reps @ 120 lbs
Rope tri pulldown 4 sets 8 reps @ Not sure what the weight was
Iso cable curls 4 sets 8 reps @ 60 lbs
Skull crushers 4 sets 8 reps @ 80 lbs
Hammer curls 4 sets @ 8 reps @ 55 lbs DB
Wrist curls 4 sets 8 reps @ 55 lbs DB
Reverse wrist curls 4 sets 8 reps @ 20lb DB

ABS

[king6]

Did shoulders today, strength was not too bad up slightly. My left quad is kicking however, from my injection on Monday. Today completes 2 weeks on cycle. Can't seem to break the weight gain wall, but my strength seems to be progressing.

[natelew]

this may be a stupid question but how much milk thistle are you taking and what are the topical things you are taking for???

[king6]

this may be a stupid question but how much milk thistle are you taking and what are the topical things you are taking for???

1000mg of milk thistle, and 4 caps of Liv 52/ed. Spiro 5% prevents DHT from binding to the androgen receptors, to help in preventing hair loss. The same thing with the Nizoral.

[Haro3]

Did shoulders today, strength was not too bad up slightly. My left quad is kicking however, from my injection on Monday. Today completes 2 weeks on cycle. Can't seem to break the weight gain wall, but my strength seems to be progressing.

more fooooood

[king6]

more fooooood

Yeah, I just raised the cals again. Now I'm eating oats all the time. Ughhhh, that stuff is hard to choke down, even grinded.

[natelew]

also you said you're going to run anavar int to this cycle during the last part for weeks 7-14, so are u running a 14 week cycle and running anavar for 2 more weeks or running a 14 week test e cycle, j/w b/c I thought most test e cycles are just 12 weeks and I plan on doing a beginners cycle of test e with a dblo kickstart like you are so i'll be watching your progress closely

[king6]

also you said you're going to run anavar int to this cycle during the last part for weeks 7-14, so are u running a 14 week cycle and running anavar for 2 more weeks or running a 14 week test e cycle, j/w b/c I thought most test e cycles are just 12 weeks and I plan on doing a beginners cycle of test e with a dblo kickstart like you are so i'll be watching your progress closely

I will run the var from weeks 7-14, weeks 13 and 14 I will be off the test and awaiting PCT, as you have to wait 2 weeks with test e before you start your PCT to allow it to clear your system.

[king6]

Does Dbol dehydrate you? I pound 40 ounces of water, and 2 hours later I'm pissing yellow again. If I'm not pissing out the water, I guess I will have some water retention. If it helps my gains, I am all for it.

[king6]

Don't mind this, I just put this chart here for my own use, to see where my blood levels are at certain days.

[Johny-too-small]

Close grip bench 4 sets 8 reps @ 205 lbs
Cable curls 4 sets 8 reps @ 120 lbs
Rope tri pulldown 4 sets 8 reps @ Not sure what the weight was
Iso cable curls 4 sets 8 reps @ 60 lbs
Skull crushers 4 sets 8 reps @ 80 lbs
Hammer curls 4 sets @ 8 reps @ 55 lbs DB
Wrist curls 4 sets 8 reps @ 55 lbs DB
Reverse wrist curls 4 sets 8 reps @ 20lb DB

ABS

Way too much!!! Your bis and tris are small muscle groups and dont need much to make them grow. Id do no more than 2-3 sets for each exercise and drop at least two exercises off your list.

[king6]

I think I will take the day off today, feeling kinda tired. On the plus side I'm up another 3 pounds. I weigh 187 in the morning, up from 184. For a total of 10lbs so far. How much of that is muscle and not water and fat is beyond me, but I was looking in the mirror last night and still think I look bigger. Hope my test kicks in soon, can't wait for that size and power.

[king6]

Way too much!!! Your bis and tris are small muscle groups and dont need much to make them grow. Id do no more than 2-3 sets for each exercise and drop at least two exercises off your list.

Really? Man, I always thought I wasn't doing enough. I know the bi's are small, but the tri's have 3 part to them and I try to hit all three heads. But If it is too much I can easily drop 2.