First Timer / Tbol w/ Test E

[3dbigrigs]

cycle day 33


TEST E I am having trouble getting the last cc out of my glass vial, any suggeswtions I dont want to waste the gear in there.

had to use new vial for my last delt inject and it was a painful one and tonight I did R glute and it was again painful as hell, I wonder if it is the brand I am using. I am almost afraid to do another delt shot,. I might just go back to hitting 500mg into the glutes once a week instead.

MY BUTT on a side note, I have always had a small butt but after injecting into the glutes for a couple of weeks my butt looks huge, the wife loves it for sure.

[thetank]

glad to hear you are experiencing some killer ass gains. lol
anyway keep this shit updated hommes im following it for sure. post some pics when you can im interested in seeing your progress (ass girth aside) ha.
peace
tank

[3dbigrigs]

thanks TANK glad someone is reading this.....


Cycle Day 34

Weight 199.6 ( middle of the day 205lbs)

woke up this morning feeling strong and pumped, got some extra sleep finally

measurement day

August 28th, 2008

Weight 199.6
Age 28
Waist 33.75
FWaist 36.75
Forearms 13.25"
arms 16"
thighs 24.5
calves 15.25
chest 43.5

as you can see I am up on everything except my waist and I can tell you before on natural I had to eat 100% perfect not to gain on my waist and I have been 90% this cycle due to nausea and still have not gain on my waist. I LOVE AAS

[3dbigrigs]

Cycle day 34

weight 200.2

PUMPS okay broke a PR on BB military press. had to keep adding weight,b ut not enough to injure myself, as I prefer to do DB military presses but thought I would switch it up. The pumps in my shoulders were uber strong, I was like damn how do people push more serious intensity when my shoulders are so painfully pumped, so I did calves in between to help the pump go down and it worked.

DBOL I have decided to stop my oral yesterday as I had been on them for 4 weeks and 4 days, now it is time for the test to do the rest. I except to loose a bit of water retention from the DBOL . but again I LOVED THE DBOL and would have started with it if I had to do it all over again.

REVISED GOAL with the rate I am gaining muscle I have changed my goal I am going for size here, I want to hit maybe 220lbs in the middle of the day. maintain after cycle do a cut cycle next year and a massive bulk cycle at the end of next year. but seeing as how I am 200 in week 4 do you guys think 220 is a good goal? also I am looking forward to breaking more PRs

EATING I have been eating as much clean food as I possibly can. usually I can eat everything in site but dang this is work. my gainer shakes I make contain

50g whey protein
1.5 cups raw oatmeal
1/2 milk
2 table spoons natural peanut butter
1 banana

I usallly have this 2-3 times a day. the rest is ground beef, turkey, chicken, cheese ect...

[3dbigrigs]

Cycle day 37

Weight 204 @ 1pm

Weights still nothing spectacular, no God like strength yet, skipped morning legs and had to do at 12am which sucked but at least I did em. lunges, squats, vertical leg press, hack squats ect.

SIDES def some bloat going on here, and I feel really lethargic, sweating a lot when working out or humping. get winded easily, increased aggression a little but def the juice. Also I have never been a gauker when it comes to looking at women when I am with the wife, however since 2 weeks now I have been looking at almost every girl. I feel like a lion at the watering hole. my wife knows I am on and said if this is what the juice does you might have to stop, Shit I better be careful around her. but dang all these women ahhhrrrhh. fi I were single I would be on a rampage......

TEST E I am going to man up and do a delt shot today even though I hate them with my new stuff.

If you have been following my log and have not chimmed in please let me know, updates are a pain unless people are following them and giving feedback...

I will also get some pics up here, but I lost my batteries and have to go get some new ones. I am sure when I post pics more people will comment. I am 30lbs here than my avatar for sure.

[3dbigrigs]

okay I felt like crap today and bloated but took pictures anyway, becuae it is time. I am happy with my size, and I still have 7 more weeks on.. I am going to get huge and I didnt even run decca or dbol the whole 4 weeks. ahhaaha. let me know what you think

oh yeah broke Personal record 225x5 BB bench press. might not sound like a lot but for me it is...

BEFORE PICS





5 WEEKS IN

[wukillabee]

okay I felt like crap today and bloated but took pictures anyway, becuae it is time. I am happy with my size, and I still have 7 more weeks on.. I am going to get huge and I didnt even run decca or dbol the whole 4 weeks. ahhaaha. let me know what you think

oh yeah broke Personal record 225x5 BB bench press. might not sound like a lot but for me it is...

BEFORE PICS





5 WEEKS IN

Wow, before and after pics look like 2 different people! Good job bro! Looks like some bloat in ur stomach for sure since ur abs look more define to me in ur before pics but since u said ur not gettin bigger in the waist im sure its just water not fat. Everything else looks a little bigger like arms/delts/chest. U didnt do the same exact poses before and after which would help more but ur before back looks skinny as helll and ur after back lat spread pose looks pretty damn good! Keep it up bro, ur doin good.

[3dbigrigs]

thanks, my waist did go up an 1'' when I started adding more carbs in the first few weeks but it has kept steady now for 3 weeks, and I do feel bloated so I am going to up the cardio a bit and watch the carbs later on, you can look back at my measurements to see. I will see if I can find some more before pictures that show the same poses. I have no doubt that I can loose 10 pounds of fat once this is over in just a month but I want size.

[jc95605]

Ya definately a change in your chest and shoulders. Thats where i see it anyway. Good job! Keep it up.

[3dbigrigs]

Did injection in r delt and it hurt like a Biatchhh but feels okay today.

my legs pic before and now




MY GOAL

[FirstTimeRage]

that goal isnt too far out of reach, finish this cycle then runa cutting cycle and you may even look better

[jc95605]

Did injection in r delt and it hurt like a Biatchhh but feels okay today.

my legs pic before and now




MY GOAL

HEY! What the hell! Where you get my picture! Lol, ya right i wish.

[3dbigrigs]

Cycle day 40

Weight last time I checked was 204



MOOD feeling a bit depressed, I feel bloated in my stomach, my pants are getting more tight and my neck in my dress shirts is also getting way to tight. I am now going to have to buy some new shirts and pants. I have to wear shirt and tie along with dress paints so buying bigger ones suck. when I look at my measurements I am happy they are getting bigger, I also have to be honest the week I was on vacation I ate some crap and that is probably were the bloat is coming from.

If I do to much cardio or reduce carbs I dont want to short change this cycle. I guess I am going to have to just suck it up, eat 100% clean do some addtional cardio after weights to get back on track. I am also scared to do measurements right now. My last ones were not bad but I have a feeling the stomach has grown.

sorry to wine about this but I just dont like being bloated. someone told me that is just about being on, but I see others not gaining that much fat or bloat and I am like dang.

Weights I am doing arms today which I like to do, so hopefullly that will pump me up at bit. my back workout on monday was great and animalistic. I would eat the weights after a set if I could. arhhhggghhh

[jc95605]

So you think your bloating use your AI for a few days then to get the bloating down if you want. It might not be tho. I had the same problem with my cycle. All my shirts fit tighter but my pants are looser? I got a lil more size, the same is probably happening to you.

[3dbigrigs]

So you think your bloating use your AI for a few days then to get the bloating down if you want. It might not be tho. I had the same problem with my cycle. All my shirts fit tighter but my pants are looser? I got a lil more size, the same is probably happening to you.

are you refering to adex? and how do you measure using the liquid dropper, and do you mix it with a shake? newb on that stuff

[jc95605]

Yes, the adex. If you were to take that for a few days and your weight drop you'd know it was water. I got a liquid dropper from target pharmacy and it has all the measurements in there. It was free too! I mix it with anything. Usually with a single bit of food. Doesn't taste all that good but this way i know i got ALL of it. In stead of in a shake where some of it might be left over on the bottom.

[3dbigrigs]

Thanks JC I appreciate it. makes sense! I am going to give it a few more days.

I had a really good bicep tricep day today, I looked good at the gym so mood is up. I have increased weight but on arms just a little bit. My arms seem to be the hardest thing to have insane strength increases from so far. but hey it is still only week 5.

[jc95605]

Ya my arm strength only went up about 15-20lbs. But my arms are harder and way more defined since before the cycle. Crap that reminds me i was supposed to post "after" pics.

[3dbigrigs]

Cycle Day 41

weight 206

Weights Did shoulders, and I pissed that in week 5 almost 6 my military press has not gone up that much. so I superseted and dropsetted the hell out of my shoulders, for the past 4 weeks they have been so sore that I have trouble holding them up.

D BOL Man I miss the D bol and orals. ever since I stopped them I feel more bloated, my waist feels bigger and I feel less strong. Parts of me wonders if my test is bunk, becuase I dont feel as full in my muscles. It is probably in my head.

Measurements although I have a bad feeling I am going to measure tomorrow. My last measurements 7 days earlier were great, but now I dunno.

[3dbigrigs]

Cycle day 42

Bloat My bloat seems to be going down, however so does the feeling of being on!!!!> My head is playing major games with me right now, I don't know if I have just gotten used to it or what but I feel like I am not on the juice right now. it is weird.

When I was taking the orals I felt like my muscles were getting bigger but my waist was staying the same or getting smaller, however now I feel like nothing is happening. My weights are not going up really and this is not typical of what I have been reading. WTF. the measurements tomorrow should give me a better idea.

[jc95605]

The bloating going down is a results of the dbol wearing off/adex. This is exactly why i used tbol instead. Dbol's size is only temporary. 42 days in your cycle your test should be kicking in about now. All your weights should slowly start to go up. Be patient, it'll come.

[3dbigrigs]

Cycle Day 43

Weight 201.4

Measurement day

September 6, 2008 ( last measurement was 9 days ago )

Weight 201.4
Age 28
Waist 34 up.25
FWaist 37 up .25
Forearms 13.5" up .25
arms 16" no change WTF
thighs 24.75 up.25
calves 15.35 up just a tad
chest 43.5 no change


okay so I feel less bloated for sure, I did not run adex yet just tightened up the diet more. so it is hard to tell what the tbol and dbol did and what the test is doing. at least I didn't go down on my measurements. Am pissed that my waist did go up on this. I do not want to turn this into a cutting cycle because this was intended to gain mass only.

Weights I did have a good leg day at the gym yesterday though.

JC Thanks for those words, I do need to be more patient for sure.

[wukillabee]

Cycle Day 43

Weight 201.4

Measurement day

September 6, 2008 ( last measurement was 9 days ago )

Weight 201.4
Age 28
Waist 34 up.25
FWaist 37 up .25
Forearms 13.5" up .25
arms 16" no change WTF
thighs 24.75 up.25
calves 15.35 up just a tad
chest 43.5 no change


okay so I feel less bloated for sure, I did not run adex yet just tightened up the diet more. so it is hard to tell what the tbol and dbol did and what the test is doing. at least I didn't go down on my measurements. Am pissed that my waist did go up on this. I do not want to turn this into a cutting cycle because this was intended to gain mass only.

Weights I did have a good leg day at the gym yesterday though.

JC Thanks for those words, I do need to be more patient for sure.

Damn, sounds like ur gear might be weak or underdosed. Yeah i didnt feel much til about week 5 but still, every week my weight was up in a good way and havent gained any fat! Been doin cardio 3-5 days a week but still. Id say give it another week or 2 and if still no gains, well then that sucks. Did u get my pm bro?

[3dbigrigs]

WU yep got the PM thanks for sure. you rock!

CARDIO because I thought it would hinder mass gains I have only been doing light cardio 1 time a week. maybe I need to rethink that

[3dbigrigs]

Cycle Day 45

Weight 205.1

WTF went to do BB bench press with my brother and wanted to show him how I could do 225x5 and maybe more breaking my record, and couldn't even do 1 rep now. week freakin 6 and my bench has only gone up 3 reps maybe since whne I started and no weight increase. I did 225x5 when I was on DBOL but this is so depressing for sure.

Injection pinned R delt. same freakin intense pain for 10 mins. afterward and of course pain in shoulder the next day.

Thoughts man there are so many variables in this stuff, could the gear be underdosed, bunk, just in my head ect. I know these are not typical results for week 6 on test though. Being on the orals felt great but the test has not been impressive what so ever. and for the pain it is not worth it right now. I dont have more funds to purchase other gear right this second. I mean the gains in strength & weight I am gaining I could do natural. man I miss those orals. If I were stupid I would take some more Dbol just to feel the on feeling. Bloat is gone now for sure. No one has complained about this UGL before either but you never know when things change. I also have not broken my NATURAL deadlift PR which is strange.

[3dbigrigs]

Cycle Day 46

Weight 206

Weights okay did back today, totally pissed weights still the same actually deadlifts were harder to do today with weight I was doing 2 weeks ago. I was so pissed. also people telling me I am looking smaller and not as full, could be the dbol or this crap TEST. I was absoulutly devasted and pissed that my deadlift was so hard to pull out 5 reps of what I could do at the beg of this cycle.

MY TEST
No major strength gains
No wood all day no increase in labido
injections still hurt as of 12 injections, pain for 3 days later.

If my gear is underdosed or bunk and I got some other test man it would take 4 weeks to kick in and if this was real test then I would be on for 20 weeks or so. I might have to post a pic of the gear to see if anyone else used it with results, but mark out the brand name.

I have read a lot of logs and have not heard about this reaction from almost anyone. I mean guys with hardly any lifting experience are doing great and are upping weight 10-15 pounds each time WTF.

It could be the orals were the only legit part of this experience and if that is the case then the orals were great. If my wieghts dont increase and my waist does I am going to have to stop this cycle early. because I have even lowered calories because of the waist growth.

[wukillabee]

Cycle Day 46

Weight 206

Weights okay did back today, totally pissed weights still the same actually deadlifts were harder to do today with weight I was doing 2 weeks ago. I was so pissed. also people telling me I am looking smaller and not as full, could be the dbol or this crap TEST. I was absoulutly devasted and pissed that my deadlift was so hard to pull out 5 reps of what I could do at the beg of this cycle.

MY TEST
No major strength gains
No wood all day no increase in labido
injections still hurt as of 12 injections, pain for 3 days later.

If my gear is underdosed or bunk and I got some other test man it would take 4 weeks to kick in and if this was real test then I would be on for 20 weeks or so. I might have to post a pic of the gear to see if anyone else used it with results, but mark out the brand name.

I have read a lot of logs and have not heard about this reaction from almost anyone. I mean guys with hardly any lifting experience are doing great and are upping weight 10-15 pounds each time WTF.

It could be the orals were the only legit part of this experience and if that is the case then the orals were great. If my wieghts dont increase and my waist does I am going to have to stop this cycle early. because I have even lowered calories because of the waist growth.

Damn bro, that sucks! Just cus it hurts doesnt mean its real gear, could just be ba and oil with a sprinkle of test, idk. But i do know day 46 and only on the test now and no gains=bunk gear to me bro. Im week 6 Day 1 and my numbers in weights im pushing are still goin up and i feel fu*kin great! Id say get some test prop asap, start that with ed shots till the end of ur cycle so that way u dont have to wait for the test to kick in. This seems the easiest way to me. U could get a legit test e and frontload for the first week but if u already have test in ur body then its gonna screw up ur lvls this far in. Id say best bet is to get some test prop asap and shoot 75mg ed for 8 weeks bro. Check ur pms!

[3dbigrigs]

Cycle Day 47

Here is a picture of the gear I bought, look legit but results are def not typical in anyway. I work my ass off in the gym and weights is not moving up and the on feeling is gone, I mean GONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



this cycle has been an utter and total disappointment since I came off the orals. I feel flat, no energy weights are heavy as hell, labido way down, feeling like I am gaining weight in stomach more, people telling me I am getting smaller,. REally has me pissed offf.

WUThanks for the advice but I dont have the funds for prop for 8 weeks now and I am so tired of shots it is not funny I could not do ed right now I wouild have to stop and refocus and come back. I just want to stop the cylce right now and do PCT. but I may still take your advice and hit up the PM for more later of E.

I really dont know what to say guys... I think I got dupped major here.

[3dbigrigs]

Cycle Day 48

Weight 206


ARMS yet another disappointing workout,. could hardly do what I did last week. I am so flat right now. I have backed off on the calories and am feeling even more fat in my stomach, so I did a measurement and arms the same and stomach gained another 1/2 inch WTF

INJECTION did another injection why bother? but I did it anyway just to say I did not give up.

New Plan do cardio at least 4-5 times a week and after weights for sure. Have no cheat food except 1 cheat meal if I have to. also adding in no carbs for non weight training days.

MOODI am so devastated, everyone at work is saying that I looked so big weeks ago and now I look smaller and more fat on stomach. one thing that is unacceptable is gaining fat in my stomach without muscle gain anywhere else. the timming of this cylce was perfect and it is crap that this gear is crap. But I am going to remain positive and dust my self off and get back into shape. I am going to post pictures so you guys can say damn that gear was bunk, my muscles are about the same size as when I came off orals because I have a slow ass matabolism. anyway I will continue to update.

[3dbigrigs]

Cycle Day 49

Weight 206


Still no strength gains whatsoever. I emailed my source about the issue stating that the orals rocked but the test has done notthing his response was

"It must be your food.. you need to eat more.. like a small horse otherwise the test may not kick it correctly. Never heard this in the past on this product, most customers replied positively back after a complete cycle so i wonder.."

here is my problem with that, I have heard of guys reducing calories and gaining strength and cutting body fat while on TEST. I am at 550mg a week now and I am not gaining strength and I am gaining fat on my stomach. WHile I was taking the dbol I was so freakin full I ate at least 4000 a day, after the on feeling left and I starting feeling fat I reduced to 3000 and I am gaining fat on stomach, so if I increase calories I am pretty sure I am just going to get fatter. so that does not make any sense whatsoever. If this is real test then I will never go through the money and pain to get nothing. I will continue orals because they flat out worked.

LABIDO for the first time last night I really didnt even care about having sex, which is totally rare for me

Any more thoughts guys..... I will do measurements again tomorrow.......also did 20 of HIT this morning, helped the fat feeling in my stomach?

[THEBEAST777]

Just be patient and it will happen, your strength will go up a little at a time.

[THEBEAST777]

Ok here is the scoop on GA:

I spent half the day reading up on GA and there are mixed results

see this post:
http://www.************.com/forum/an...-pic-real.html

For most part what Ive read it is under dosed, however some say its legit or good results but not outstanding results.

[3dbigrigs]

Ok here is the scoop on GA:

I spent half the day reading up on GA and there are mixed results

see this post:
http://www.************.com/forum/an...-pic-real.html

For most part what Ive read it is under dosed, however some say its legit or good results but not outstanding results.

UPDATE!!!!!!!!!!!1

can't really see that post with the **** marked out, might need to pm me it. I was also told my another member VIA PM that some guys he knows used it and stop after 8 weeks because no results.


I AM GOING TO STOP THIS CYCLE AFTER SUNDAYS INJECT>OR AFTER I DO MEASUREMENTS TOMORROW> after waiting for 1.5 years to do this I am stunned, and pissed.

LESSON TO NEWBS
find people who did a TEST cycle that produced real results and befriend them and maybe you might get a real source. this vial looked so good and the orals were real but I know what on feels like and this is not it. Beast I appreciate the time you took to research this. NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

NEXT CYCLE THOUGHT ANYONE I( def want dbol , real test and maybe decca. I figure I gained about 15 pounds just off the orals. will have to see with measurements. The orals were a great experience GREAT!! and now I do know how to inject. I hate that I did 250x2 for nothin. I dont think I should do PCT because everything is normal no gyno no small nuts and only did dbol for 1 week and since my test is bunk I should have done pct 2 weeks ago from the oral.

[jc95605]

I would run a short pct just to be sure. maybe 2wks. Somethin tho. Not doing pct can really screw you up.

As for the next cycle i would use tbol instead of dbol . Dbol has alot of bloating/size but after you stop taking it you shrink some. tbol has little to no bloat and strength increases. Basically its dbol without the bloat. tbol is good for a lean bulk cycle and dbol more of a bulker. They both kick in rather fast.

[3dbigrigs]

Cycle Day 50

weight 200.4

September 13, 2008

Weight 200.4
Age 28
Waist 34
FWaist 37.25
Forearms 13.5
arms 16
thighs 24.5
calves 15.25
chest 43.5

so basically no change except waist in my hip area went up .25.

Weights I did have a really good chest workout, I took an real epherdra pill and man the energy was great. I still could not do 225 even once but I did really good on DB press,superset negative and incline BB. Great workout despite this crap gear. I have thought about injecting 500mg of this stuff once a week for the next 4 weeks just because I bought it and it might be 100mg pure shot instead of 500 and might do something, shame to waist even a drop of test. I dunno. if I have more funds I would probably jump on some DBOL ro TBOL for a couple weeks again.

[3dbigrigs]

I would run a short pct just to be sure. maybe 2wks. Somethin tho. Not doing pct can really screw you up.

As for the next cycle i would use tbol instead of dbol. Dbol has alot of bloating/size but after you stop taking it you shrink some. tbol has little to no bloat and strength increases. Basically its dbol without the bloat. tbol is good for a lean bulk cycle and dbol more of a bulker. They both kick in rather fast.

I have taken TBOL and DBOl and for me if you are doing an all out bulkl for size I still think DBOl is the way to go, howver if you are in the summer or just want a bit of size without the bloat I would do TBOL , I def would do TBOL for cutting and DBOL for bulking. Really like TBOL but feel in love with DBOL.

[jc95605]

Thats my take on the 2 exactly.

[3dbigrigs]

just shot the rest of the 2nd vial I had, 500mg I shot tonight in left glute. figured why not, even if there is 100mg hopefully will help plus I paid for it.

[stallion_1]

Did injection in r delt and it hurt like a Biatchhh but feels okay today.

my legs pic before and now




MY GOAL

look at my pic in the avy

that should be ur goal

[3dbigrigs]

hahah, yeah first I have to get to that prev pic then onto the avi.