dbol,test e and winny modest,low dose

**2jzfreak** · 03-21-2009, 11:13 AM

Sup guys! ive been a member for a while now but i havent been able to post so ive been lurking like crazy...I start my cycle tomorrow and i just wanted to share it with you guys. I have cycled before but just test e...this time i wanted a little more results. So i added a dbol kicker and ending it with winny. I am gyno prone so i have a new bottle of letro and a bottle of l-dex from last years cycle. so here is how my modest,low dose cycle isi going go down,

im 30 yrs young
5'9"
165-168 lbs
12% bf
trainnig for 5 years now
diet is tunned in...for example

breakfast: 1whole egg
2 whites
1/2 cup cafe con lehce (skim milk)-switching to pro shake w/oats
flaxseed oil
multi-v

snack : 1 whole egg
2 whites
bannana
crackers
water

lunch: 2 grilled chicken breast
1 cup spinach
1 baked potato
or
wheat pasta
water

snack: handfull of almounds
few grapes
or
protein bar

around 5-7pm... gym... pre workout protein shake (water)(whey)
post workout protein shake (skim milk)(whey)
post amino acids
multi-v

dinner: 1 grilled chicken breast
1 baked potato
1 cup spinach
or
wheat pasta

snack: 1 cup cottage cheese
maybe a grape or two for flavor

bedtime: pro. shake(casien)
1 egg white

midle of the night when i pee... i drink some milk..

rest is about 7-8 hours ed
cardio 5 days a week 20-30 min.

week 1-4 eql dbol 20mg ed
1-8 eql test enth 150mg twice a week
last 20 days eql winny 50mg inj. ed
1-14 l-dex .25 mg ed
switching to letro if gyno symptoms show up( just get the lump on nip)

pct week 10-14
tamox 40/40/20/20
l-dex or letro cont. .25 ed

the only thing im confused about is the winny!!! should i end winny the day before starting pct or should i end it at the same time of the test.Ive read so much and gotten so many diff i deas i dont know which is best.I think because im going to be runnig l-dex or letro all through cycle i should just end it with test! am i right? let me know if i should change anything...feedback would be very appreciated !

pics soon!

**WARMachine** · 03-22-2009, 03:01 AM

the only thing im confused about is the winny!!! should i end winny the day before starting pct or should i end it at the same time of the test.Ive read so much and gotten so many diff i deas i dont know which is best.I think because im going to be runnig l-dex or letro all through cycle i should just end it with test! am i right? let me know if i should change anything...feedback would be very appreciated !

Yes, the following things need to change.

1) Up the dose of Test to at least 400mgs a week. If you wanna gain, i would go lower than that.
2) Run Test E for a minimum of 10wks, 12 being ideal. Enanthate is a long ester, it generally takes 4-6 weeks to take effect.
3) Run the winny for more that 3weeks. Try 4wks, and YES, run it until the day before PCT.
4) That PCT sucks. Letro AND Adex both reduce Nolvadex's effectiveness. And Clomid is a MUST in any good PCT. Replace the Adex with Clomid, 100mgs ED for 2wks, and 50mgs ED for the last remaining two.
5) Run the Adex throughout your cycle. You said it yourself, youre gyno prone. This should take care of that, but in the case it doesnt, have EXTRA Nolva on hand to block those receptors.

So, in conclusion...

Test E - 200mgs 2xW for wks 1-10(or 12)
Dbol - 20mgs ED for wks 1-4
Winn - 50mgs ED for wks 10-14 (stop day before PCT)

(AI's)
Adex for weeks 1-14 at .25mgs ED (stop day before PCT)

PCT
Nolva - 40/40/20/20
Clomid - 100/100/50/50

Good?

Now onto the real problems, your diet, BF% and overall size before this cycle.

**2jzfreak** · 03-22-2009, 03:10 PM

awsome! thanx for that post dude

. The reason I had letro on-hand is because last time I used adex it didnt cure the gyno all the way, yet im going to try it again. Im going to do the adex ed @.25mg throughout the cycle till pct starts. ill only run letro if I see problems. and ill try to get clomid.

Now the winny ill start it later and longer in the cycle and ill run it till pct starts .

thanx man you dont know how many quest. you just answered!

i just shot and went great...easy! ill post pics soon!

**WARMachine** · 03-22-2009, 04:48 PM

No worries bro, but again, dont bother with the letro unless you already have gyno, or get gyno.

If you experience symptom, i.e. Puffy nips, and a lump, then begin administering Nolvadex and forgo the Adex.

Then AFTER the cycle, run a Gyno reversal with Letro.

If you have anymore questions feel free to ask.

-WAR

**2jzfreak** · 03-22-2009, 06:11 PM

hey if i get the lump,which i might. what dose of the nolva should i take through cycle...20mg ed ?

**WARMachine** · 03-22-2009, 08:08 PM

That should suffice.

But again i cant stress this enough, use the Adex ED and you should not see any estrogen realted side effects.

If you do, use the Nolva. And keep in mind for the next cycle, you might wanna use Letro, id only advise this if you were EXTRA senstive to gyno.

**WARMachine** · 03-23-2009, 06:07 AM

Here, read my new thread which in your case should help you tremendously!

Running Letro reversals, preventing gyno, and everthing inbetween
"Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT by WARMachine"

**2jzfreak** · 03-23-2009, 05:08 PM

well i posted yesterday that i shot myself and it was easy.....well,i shot myself in my quad and it didnt hurt( yesterday) but today....hollyshit it feels like a 150lbs dumbell fell on my leg. Hard for me to squat down. hopefully 2morrow it will be better...