Twelve weeks Test-e + Dbol kickstart - I came I saw I conquered. 10/1/11 => 15/05/11.

[layeazy]

Seems like a lot of gym knowledge but read some on the bad sides you can get starting early not good ey. Also having to use calis and Viagra when your in your primes gotta hurt.

anyways good luck hope you get the gains and recover doubt you will though...

[dec11]

man, another stupid kiddie log cheered on by, guess who? more stupid kiddies!

[dec11]

Wow! very impressive log. I wish you the best of luck with everything in this cycle buddy. I will be following.

how hasnt this dick been banned yet? gives horrendous bad advice on compounds he knows nothing about and advocates kids using aas

[vettewreck]

CMB gives horrendous bad advice on compounds he knows nothing about and advocates kids using aas

Took the words right out of my mouth!!!

stupid kiddie log cheered on by more stupid kiddies!

I just said the EXACT same thing on the first page!! lol!!

[dec11]

Took the words right out of my mouth!!!

I just said the EXACT same thing on the first page!! lol!!

lol, its painfully obvious to us all mate

[bjpennnn]

Man, you should listen to all these guys they are giving you solid advice. I started at your age and now i have extremely low test levels, and i may have to take test the rest of my life or live with low test forever. Both choices suck, so think about it.

[vettewreck]

The sad part is, OP talks like hes done it all yet this is his first cyle, and on his very first injection got a damn infection lol

I feel sorry for anyone taking advice from him down the road.

[flexandex]

nice log bro
i see you said that you purchased online
how much was the total for all your gear, what payment method did you use? and why didnt you buy locally?

i know of a few online sources which i trust are legit, though i am hesitant to purchase from any due to the fact that aussie customs are meant to be super tight

i believe one of the sources is based in Moldova

Sorry man, no source talk. Get your posts up and stick around a bit, a few vets will help you out.

Wow another 19y/o who thinks they know it all and simply copy and paste sh!t from all over the internet with a stupid chart table and it actually impresses the less educated members by leading them to believe you know what youre talking about and then they tell you "good luck" LOLOL... Try telling me I shouldnt throw stones in a glass house. lol Newb. Good luck with your trt at 21y/o!!

The sad part is, OP talks like hes done it all yet this is his first cyle, and on his very first injection got a damn infection lol
I feel sorry for anyone taking advice from him down the road.

Another old joker who honestly believes his opinion to be important enough to warrant making bitter and agressive posts with no actual substance.
If you don't like what you see, and don't want to offer anything constructive, really, why bother posting?
I'll respond to this post; then use the ignore function to un-clutter my thread. Wouldn't reccomend anyone else to do this though, i think opinions like this - although gone about in the wrong way are needed to show both sides of the coin. Makes for a more rounded log of infomation.
-This is simply a fully documented log by a 19year old.
-I don't expect anyone to be impressed by a simple excel sheet that is literally just an expansion on week 1-10 weeek 1-4 etc.

Seems like a lot of gym knowledge but read some on the bad sides you can get starting early not good ey. Also having to use calis and Viagra when your in your primes gotta hurt.

anyways good luck hope you get the gains and recover doubt you will though...

we can only hope.

man, another stupid kiddie log cheered on by, guess who? more stupid kiddies!

Obviously not willing to add anything constructive, ignored to help get rid of the clutter.

Man, you should listen to all these guys they are giving you solid advice. I started at your age and now i have extremely low test levels, and i may have to take test the rest of my life or live with low test forever. Both choices suck, so think about it.

Yeah man. Its a big call to make, you regret it now?
What age did you use? how old are you now?
would be really interested in your story if you care to share...
I'm just hoping im one of the lucky ones.

[Colt2535]

Interested to follow your progress, Good luck man.

[vettewreck]

LOLOL!!! I make my opinion known so that others reading will be informed that what the OP is doing is stupid. Bc obviously he is super smart and knows it all hence jumping straight into a cycle without any true knowledge. I want to inform any young person reading the thread that age certianly plays a roll and it certainly isnt a good idea to use at 19.

[wmaousley]

Sorry Bro, but that is not correct.

America puts month first, but most other english speaking places use the day first.

Sorry Bro, but that is also incorrect.

US Government puts year first example. 20110115

[dec11]

Sorry man, no source talk. Get your posts up and stick around a bit, a few vets will help you out.



Another old joker who honestly believes his opinion to be important enough to warrant making bitter and agressive posts with no actual substance.
If you don't like what you see, and don't want to offer anything constructive, really, why bother posting?
I'll respond to this post; then use the ignore function to un-clutter my thread. Wouldn't reccomend anyone else to do this though, i think opinions like this - although gone about in the wrong way are needed to show both sides of the coin. Makes for a more rounded log of infomation.
-This is simply a fully documented log by a 19year old.
-I don't expect anyone to be impressed by a simple excel sheet that is literally just an expansion on week 1-10 weeek 1-4 etc.


we can only hope.


Obviously not willing to add anything constructive, ignored to help get rid of the clutter.


Yeah man. Its a big call to make, you regret it now?
What age did you use? how old are you now?
would be really interested in your story if you care to share...
I'm just hoping im one of the lucky ones.

we'll see how clever you are when you are crying for advice on your impotence and how you've lost any weight you gained. point is your a child and you dont know what you are doing and your stupid log on here only adds to the problem of children playing with fire, take a look through recent threads and see how many teenie boppers that have been banned, its for a reason. you seem to think you are going to get massive on a cycle, im telling you now that YOU WONT. now off to the play pen and behave yourself

[Matt]

Flex i think you need to understand that myself dec and vett only say what we do because you could potentially cause yourself permanent damage which you may seriously regret in later life. Believe it or not we really do care that you stay safe and this isn't just an opportunity to flame some young guy. I really hope that you dont look back on this thread and think "christ those guy's were right". In years to come you may fully understand what we've said here and you to will be telling some young guy not to cycle...

That said this is your log and we have said what needs to be said so lets leave you to continue it in without any more interruption. We need to respect Flex's log guy's and wish him well for the future....

Best of luck and please continue to keep your log updated....

[flexandex]

Flex i think you need to understand that myself dec and vett only say what we do because you could potentially cause yourself permanent damage which you may seriously regret in later life. Believe it or not we really do care that you stay safe and this isn't just an opportunity to flame some young guy. I really hope that you dont look back on this thread and think "christ those guy's were right". In years to come you may fully understand what we've said here and you to will be telling some young guy not to cycle...

That said this is your log and we have said what needs to be said so lets leave you to continue it in without any more interruption. We need to respect Flex's log guy's and wish him well for the future....

Best of luck and please continue to keep your log updated....

The sentiment in yours, dec's, vett's, bjpenn's and countless others is the same. And i agree and understand completely what you are saying, and i apreciate when its delivered in a respectful and kind manner.
Coming in here, telling me i'm stupid with zero knowledge like those 2 have done, is simply immature and there is nothing to be gained from it. There are plenty of people on this site like yourself that will take the time to actually empathize with someone and give constructive critisism, opposed to mindless flaming.
(Just to show you what i mean)
Dec11 Post: we'll see how clever you are when you are crying for advice on your impotence and how you've lost any weight you gained. point is your a child and you dont know what you are doing and your stupid log
Matt post:: only say what we do because you could potentially cause yourself permanent damage which you may seriously regret in later life.
Same internal message, except one is ignored and the other apreciated.

I've taken a calculated risk. As many others have done. I will either win or lose; either way i am fully prepared to accept the consequences.
I will continue the log as long as there is support and people want to see how its going, would be awesome if you could check in now and again and clean up some of the more provocative posts that add nothing.
I'll be posting my First weekly update tonight with an overview of my 3 pins, training session, mental aspects and my measurement + lift log.

[Matt]

I shall speak to Admin to see if i can have some of the less constructive posts removed and clear the thread up and yes i will check in from time to time...

[flexandex]

I shall speak to Admin to see if i can have some of the less constructive posts removed and clear the thread up and yes i will check in from time to time...

Awesome man, thanks alot. I plan to make this thread as broad and informative as possible; hopefully it can become an asset to the site.

[PT]

he was told the dangers now if someone dosnt have something positive to say please dont post here. thanx

[dec11]

not being confrontational but just to ask, are we now condoning youngsters to use? all a log from a 19 yr old is going to do is glorify this to other youngsters imho. the forum tells sub 25yrs they really shouldnt use aas for good reason and then on the other hand allows a log from a teenager and known bad advisors chirping in on it.

[Matt]

so just to ask. are we now condoning youngsters to use? all a log from a 19 yr old is going to do is glorify this to other youngsters imho.

No mate, i will never condone anyone under the age of 25 to do aas. However once we have explained clearly to anyone under that age of the serious risks they take then that is all we can do, we cant just then have a flame fest in their log.

Dec no one on this board except perhaps marcus tries to stir these young guy's away from aas than myself, i will never give advice in these logs or threads except to tell them to stop what their doing. But we must draw a line somewhere...

Im sure flex himself would not advise people of his age to cycle, i would hope....

[dec11]

No mate, i will never condone anyone under the age of 25 to do aas. However once we have explained clearly to anyone under that age of the serious risks they take then that is all we can do, we cant just then have a flame fest in their log.

Dec no one on this board except perhaps marcus tries to stir these young guy's away from aas than myself, i will never give advice in these logs or threads except to tell them to stop what their doing. But we must draw a line somewhere...

Im sure flex himself would not advise people of his age to cycle, i would hope....

fair enough mate

[flexandex]

he was told the dangers now if someone dosnt have something positive to say please dont post here. thanx

Cheers man.

No mate, i will never condone anyone under the age of 25 to do aas. However once we have explained clearly to anyone under that age of the serious risks they take then that is all we can do, we cant just then have a flame fest in their log.

Dec no one on this board except perhaps marcus tries to stir these young guy's away from aas than myself, i will never give advice in these logs or threads except to tell them to stop what their doing. But we must draw a line somewhere...

Im sure flex himself would not advise people of his age to cycle, i would hope....

You're right Matt, i was going to elaborate on this later, but ill do it now - i'll see if i can edit it into my OP aswell.
Its hard to really explain my feelings without coming across as an arogant know it all... but ill try..

I would never advise someone else below the arbitary 25y/o to begin their cycle, wether they have reached their natural potential and have the knowledge to start safely or not. Its not my place to do so.
This is a very personal decision and needs to have alot of care and effort put into it. Because the risks are so much more prevelant at my age it would be unfair to push what i believe onto someone.

If the worst does happen, god forbid, atleast this log will be here. To prove to another 1,000 younger guys that the risks are real and unless you are willing to make that call, stay away for a couple of years.

From here on out i'm going to avoid the moral discussion and keep this as more of a strict log of on-cycle problems, occurances and progress. At this rate we'll have 30pages of banter!

[DKbuilder]

So how are your gains so far?

[MBMETC]

Cheers man.



You're right Matt, i was going to elaborate on this later, but ill do it now - i'll see if i can edit it into my OP aswell.
Its hard to really explain my feelings without coming across as an arogant know it all... but ill try..

I would never advise someone else below the arbitary 25y/o to begin their cycle, wether they have reached their natural potential and have the knowledge to start safely or not. Its not my place to do so.
This is a very personal decision and needs to have alot of care and effort put into it. Because the risks are so much more prevelant at my age it would be unfair to push what i believe onto someone.If the worst does happen, god forbid, atleast this log will be here. To prove to another 1,000 younger guys that the risks are real and unless you are willing to make that call, stay away for a couple of years.

From here on out i'm going to avoid the moral discussion and keep this as more of a strict log of on-cycle problems, occurances and progress. At this rate we'll have 30pages of banter!

flex, just so i an understand you better
if your aware of the dangers and would advise against the young using aas then why make the decision yourself to use early in life. surely not to be a statistic.

[flexandex]

flex, just so i an understand you better
if your aware of the dangers and would advise against the young using aas then why make the decision yourself to use early in life. surely not to be a statistic.

There is anecdotal evidence for both sides of the arguement. I know that every teen who uses steroids doesn't have the adverse effects that some members here would have you believe are a 100% occurance. Some of these kids run horrible cycles with no pct, and come out fine.
There are also alot of people with stories that support the increased risks of under 25's.

Basically bodybuilding has consumed my life for the last few years, and its restricting me in moving foward. At this point in my life i have made an informed decision that the best thing for me to do is to undertake the risk of a well thoughtout and comprehensive cycle to get the results i crave.

A cycle is the same as everything else in life. Its a risk vs reward scenario. to me, the equation adds up and reward > risk. So i'm moving foward with what i want. Perhaps if everything goes horribly wrong and i actually experience the detrimental effects - then i will realize that my reasoning wasn't sound. Thats just another risk i'm willing to take.
I would just like to add that i feel that myself using the risk vs reward to make my decision is a bit different to the majority of teens/younger guys that come onto the site talking about their first cycle. The reason for this is i have come close to fully comprehending the risks and the rewards.

Week 2 update

Had my 3rd pin on monday, and decided i wanted to give pinning myself a go and give my glutes a rest. Decided on using the right thigh, watched a few youtube videos and went for it.
Only injected about 1.25" in with a 1.5" on the outer sweep of the quad. Aspirated, no blood, injected slowly. All in all a very clean and painless injection. I may stop doing glutes entirely and use quads. Was a much more enjoyable experience.

I have been checking nipples etc, no obvious signs of bloating. Am still very vascular and can see striations like i normally would. Took my first dose of 0.25 liquidex on monday and will take 0.25 with injections from now on as a precaution.

My training has been going absolutely amazing - great pumps, great agression and ridiculous DOMS. hahaha.
Diet has been on point, i've hit my macro's every day except when i had the possible infection and was bed ridden.

Very pleased with progress so far and if everything continues on like this i should be a happy man.
Not much change in measurements week 1.. an increase in waist size i wasn't happy about. But thats to be expected with the increased calories, i rely quite heavily on milk so that bloats me a bit.


Overall for week 1 i would rate it a 10/10. Loved every second of it.

[dec11]

There is anecdotal evidence for both sides of the arguement. I know that every teen who uses steroids doesn't have the adverse effects that some members here would have you believe are a 100% occurance. Some of these kids run horrible cycles with no pct, and come out fine.
There are also alot of people with stories that support the increased risks of under 25's.

Basically bodybuilding has consumed my life for the last few years, and its restricting me in moving foward. At this point in my life i have made an informed decision that the best thing for me to do is to undertake the risk of a well thoughtout and comprehensive cycle to get the results i crave.

A cycle is the same as everything else in life. Its a risk vs reward scenario. to me, the equation adds up and reward > risk. So i'm moving foward with what i want. Perhaps if everything goes horribly wrong and i actually experience the detrimental effects - then i will realize that my reasoning wasn't sound. Thats just another risk i'm willing to take.
I would just like to add that i feel that myself using the risk vs reward to make my decision is a bit different to the majority of teens/younger guys that come onto the site talking about their first cycle. The reason for this is i have come close to fully comprehending the risks and the rewards.

Week 2 update

Had my 3rd pin on monday, and decided i wanted to give pinning myself a go and give my glutes a rest. Decided on using the right thigh, watched a few youtube videos and went for it.
Only injected about 1.25" in with a 1.5" on the outer sweep of the quad. Aspirated, no blood, injected slowly. All in all a very clean and painless injection. I may stop doing glutes entirely and use quads. Was a much more enjoyable experience.

I have been checking nipples etc, no obvious signs of bloating. Am still very vascular and can see striations like i normally would. Took my first dose of 0.25 liquidex on monday and will take 0.25 with injections from now on as a precaution.

My training has been going absolutely amazing - great pumps, great agression and ridiculous DOMS. hahaha.
Diet has been on point, i've hit my macro's every day except when i had the possible infection and was bed ridden.

Very pleased with progress so far and if everything continues on like this i should be a happy man.
Not much change in measurements week 1.. an increase in waist size i wasn't happy about. But thats to be expected with the increased calories, i rely quite heavily on milk so that bloats me a bit.


Overall for week 1 i would rate it a 10/10. Loved every second of it.

so you're saying you've hit genetic potential after 2yrs training at age 19?

[MACHINE5150]

The unfortunate thing is that this kid will post his results of gaining 20lbs and then every other teen will want to do the same.. because we all know he is not going to come back here in two or three years and say.. my test levels are about 25% of where they should be.

[dec11]

The unfortunate thing is that this kid will post his results of gaining 20lbs and then every other teen will want to do the same.. because we all know he is not going to come back here in two or three years and say.. my test levels are about 25% of where they should be.

hes already measuring arms and shoulders as having gains after a massive 3 injections

[terraj]

Sorry Bro, but that is also incorrect.

US Government puts year first example. 20110115

From Wikipedia

In the United States, dates are traditionally written in the "month day year" order, that is, in neither descending nor ascending order of significance. (In computing, this would be called a "middle-endian" order.) This order is used in both the traditional all-numeric date (e.g., "12/31/99" or "12/31/1999")

The ISO 8601 yyyy-mm-dd format is also used within the FAA and military because of the need to eliminate ambiguity. The fully written "day month year" (e.g., 12 March 2005) in written American English is starting to become more common outside of the media industry and legal documents, particularly in university publications and in some international-influenced publications as a means of dealing with ambiguity.[citation needed] However, most Americans write "March 12, 2005". Speaking the "day month year" format is still rarely used, with the exception of the Fourth of July.

I win!!

[flexandex]

so you're saying you've hit genetic potential after 2yrs training at age 19?

hes already measuring arms and shoulders as having gains after a massive 3 injections

Its your rule that i have to hit my 'genetic potential'. I don't want to go far beyond my genetic potential anyway; because by definition, Its not sustainable. I know i'll be happy with what i have when i'm done.
Is there a reason not to keep up a log of measurements? How is there any downside to that? should i just skip my measurements for week 1-2? how will i gauge improvements?
Any variance could be due to a number of factors, swelling from a workout, latent pump, glycocegen, water. Does that mean i should not take the correct reading?

I've tried to be nice to you because i'm a human being, you didn't show me the same respect. Now i'll tell you what i really think.
You're older bitter dude, with a superiority complex. Your physique is sloppy and something i would not be proud of whatsoever at your age with the amount of gear you have put into it. I'm sure you'll claim thats because your a powerlifter. A powerlifter with 14 years and deadlifting mid 200's..? haha. Obviously i would regret those played out, cheesy and clusmy tatoos, aswell.
I've read you're posts and they are almost always antagonistic, I have no need for your advice as you're nothing but a parrot. With 4000+ posts i bet there hasnt been many orginal helpful thoughts in there. I find you to be a pathetic person.
You obviously have alot of interest in me due to your 5-6 posts in my thread trying to bring me down in the space of two days. Perhaps your jealous? perhaps just a loser? You have already been shut down by two respected veterens and been asked not to post your silly and worthless musings. I guess they will either do something about it or this log will just turn into a worthless arguement and i'll take it elsewhere.

If the moderators/admin of the site don't want this log here due to the encouragement other younger guys might find (or not find), then i'm quite happily to do it privately.
So, in short, get the fuck out of my thread, you aren't wanted.

The unfortunate thing is that this kid will post his results of gaining 20lbs and then every other teen will want to do the same.. because we all know he is not going to come back here in two or three years and say.. my test levels are about 25% of where they should be.

You'll be getting a post cycle hormone panel; what more do you want from a log?
I think a problem here is alot of you guys are genuinely worried that this cycle might turn out allright.

[stevey_6t9]

Its your rule that i have to hit my 'genetic potential'. I don't want to go far beyond my genetic potential anyway; because by definition, Its not sustainable. I know i'll be happy with what i have when i'm done.
Is there a reason not to keep up a log of measurements? How is there any downside to that? should i just skip my measurements for week 1-2? how will i gauge improvements?
Any variance could be due to a number of factors, swelling from a workout, latent pump, glycocegen, water. Does that mean i should not take the correct reading?

I've tried to be nice to you because i'm a human being, you didn't show me the same respect. Now i'll tell you what i really think.
You're older bitter dude, with a superiority complex. Your physique is sloppy and something i would not be proud of whatsoever at your age with the amount of gear you have put into it. I'm sure you'll claim thats because your a powerlifter. A powerlifter with 14 years and deadlifting mid 200's..? haha. Obviously i would regret those played out, cheesy and clusmy tatoos, aswell.
I've read you're posts and they are almost always antagonistic, I have no need for your advice as you're nothing but a parrot. With 4000+ posts i bet there hasnt been many orginal helpful thoughts in there. I find you to be a pathetic person.
You obviously have alot of interest in me due to your 5-6 posts in my thread trying to bring me down in the space of two days. Perhaps your jealous? perhaps just a loser? You have already been shut down by two respected veterens and been asked not to post your silly and worthless musings. I guess they will either do something about it or this log will just turn into a worthless arguement and i'll take it elsewhere.

If the moderators/admin of the site don't want this log here due to the encouragement other younger guys might find (or not find), then i'm quite happily to do it privately.
So, in short, get the fuck out of my thread, you aren't wanted.

we have a no flame policy here, so be careful what you say to other members or you will get banned...

[wmaousley]

From Wikipedia

In the United States, dates are traditionally written in the "month day year" order, that is, in neither descending nor ascending order of significance. (In computing, this would be called a "middle-endian" order.) This order is used in both the traditional all-numeric date (e.g., "12/31/99" or "12/31/1999")

The ISO 8601 yyyy-mm-dd format is also used within the FAA and military because of the need to eliminate ambiguity. The fully written "day month year" (e.g., 12 March 2005) in written American English is starting to become more common outside of the media industry and legal documents, particularly in university publications and in some international-influenced publications as a means of dealing with ambiguity.[citation needed] However, most Americans write "March 12, 2005". Speaking the "day month year" format is still rarely used, with the exception of the Fourth of July.

I win!!

Bro I work for the US GOVERNMENT, YOU LOSEalso wikipedia isnt a reliable source. Wikipedia sources are banned as research resources by the US Governments Department of Education.
In schools, universities in the US year/mm/dd is the format used. Get over it!!!!



OUTDATED INFO

[terraj]

Bro I work for the US GOVERNMENT, YOU LOSEalso wikipedia isnt a reliable source. Wikipedia sources are banned as research resources by the US Governments Department of Education.
In schools, universities in the US year/mm/dd is the format used. Get over it!!!!



OUTDATED INFO

Terraj is right and you are wrong.....you can say it, it might hurt a little bit.

I also work for your Government...not that has anything to do with you been WRONG.

[*Admin*]

We do not allow any FLAMING and by the looks of things there has been plenty... now I will be looking at this and removing the content that has no need here... If I see anymore flaming and you know yourselves from who... I will start suspending or banning people... up to you...


and guys good jobs... you also know who you are!!!


Respect

*admin*

[flexandex]

we have a no flame policy here, so be careful what you say to other members or you will get banned...

Guess you missed the 5-6 idiotic flame posts he made?
Thought i'd shut him down properly if he wouldnt respond to me and others asking nicely.

We do not allow any FLAMING and by the looks of things there has been plenty... now I will be looking at this and removing the content that has no need here... If I see anymore flaming and you know yourselves from who... I will start suspending or banning people... up to you...


and guys good jobs... you also know who you are!!!


Respect

*admin*

Thanks alot mate, makes me glad i chose AR-R to get my products from. They'r all in tip top shape btw!

Just while you're in here cleaning it up, would you mind removing this ridiculous debate about date format? A real waste of space..

[terraj]

Guess you missed the 5-6 idiotic flame posts he made?
Thought i'd shut him down properly if he wouldnt respond to me and others asking nicely.



Thanks alot mate, makes me glad i chose AR-R to get my products from. They'r all in tip top shape btw!

Just while you're in here cleaning it up, would you mind removing this ridiculous debate about date format? A real waste of space..

Sorry Bro, I would not have put it on a real thread....

[marcus300]

There is anecdotal evidence for both sides of the arguement. I know that every teen who uses steroids doesn't have the adverse effects that some members here would have you believe are a 100% occurance. Some of these kids run horrible cycles with no pct, and come out fine.
There are also alot of people with stories that support the increased risks of under 25's.

Basically bodybuilding has consumed my life for the last few years, and its restricting me in moving foward. At this point in my life i have made an informed decision that the best thing for me to do is to undertake the risk of a well thoughtout and comprehensive cycle to get the results i crave.

A cycle is the same as everything else in life. Its a risk vs reward scenario. to me, the equation adds up and reward > risk. So i'm moving foward with what i want. Perhaps if everything goes horribly wrong and i actually experience the detrimental effects - then i will realize that my reasoning wasn't sound. Thats just another risk i'm willing to take.
I would just like to add that i feel that myself using the risk vs reward to make my decision is a bit different to the majority of teens/younger guys that come onto the site talking about their first cycle. The reason for this is i have come close to fully comprehending the risks and the rewards.
Overall for week 1 i would rate it a 10/10. Loved every second of it.

When your life as been consume with bodybuilding for over 20yrs rather than 2-3 you will realize that using steroids when your a teenager does have an adverse effect on your HPTA. Steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development,you are still developing at 19yrs old and this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time of growth and development, your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

Its complete madness and irresponsible of you to think your answers are found within an injection or tablet at your age, I hope then younger members of this site are far more educated than yourself and see through this stupidity IMHO.

[dec11]

all tht from a little wimp to afraid to put up pics, we can all see you've wriggled out of tht with stupid excuses. i dont give a shit what you think of my shape, im no bodybuilder, never was and never want to be. you prob cant even lift your dick out straight neva mind weights.i cant believe admin is allowing this arrogant little turd and his log to proceed, total hypocrisy, and opening the door to all the rest of the annoying little kids. can we ever have a mature only section this board because all it's gotten to is a creche.

if i do get banned then so be it, i can remember being repremanded for advising a 23yr old previously

[dec11]

Sorry Bro, I would not have put it on a real thread....

haha, nice one

[ty357]

Well you seem to know all the dangers of what your doing. I know you heard the your to young speech 10000000000 times but your going to do what you want anyway. I say becarefull and continue to educate yourself. Its your life bro and your body.
I also want to say if its so bad for a 19 year old to cycle then why is he allowed to put up his cycle for all to see. Why not lock the thread then having 100 pages of people stating the same thing. Just my 2 cents

[vettewreck]

Its complete madness and irresponsible of you to think your answers are found within an injection or tablet at your age, I hope then younger members of this site are far more educated than yourself and see through this stupidity IMHO.

Thank god Marcus can see this.

Flex, I think just bc you write things out doesnt mean you know more than any other kid, and honestly all youre doing is talking in circles and being a hypocrite. You said it yourself, "I wouldnt advise anyone under 25 to use gear", THEN you go on to say "I know the risks and im going to do what I want" (esentially), bc honestly thats what you ARE saying. Its absurd that youre going to post a log at all and youre having "crazy pumps" 3 whopping injections in. THATS the difference between someone who KNOWS what they're talking about, and someone whos just THINKING they do bc they read alot. The sad part is youre going to post how you gained 20-30lbs, other kids will see this, and jump on the bandwagon. The thing is, you are going to lose it all but 5lbs probably. I say that bc you THINK you hit your genetic plateau at 19 and 2 years into lifting. You are well written but sadly you are no different than any other kid who comes on here saying " I eat alot and I cant gain size so im doing steroids ". I write all this now so that others reading will hopefully read what I have written and can see through your closed minded hypocritical thought process.