Dbol, deca, sust 250

**CARZZ** · 03-21-2003, 08:42 AM

Could I get some advice on this cycle...
Week 1 - 8 1 shot sus 250
week 1 - 8 1 shot deca 200 mg
week 1 - 8 dbol , Start with 15 mg then up to 35mg by week 4 then gradually back down to 15 mg by week 7

Week 9 - 10 clomid and clem

Week 11 - 17 winstrol amd primobolan
2cc each per week
Finish with clem....

?s are...... I dont have any hcg , is that ok
will I keep gains

I started three weeks ago...... Gained 17 lbs, from 190 to 207, feel great, real strong... Bench has gone from 225 once to 265 3 times.
My chest started feeling sore so I started taking 10 mgs nolvadex per day.
Am I taking clomid at the right time
Ley me know what you think... Thanks
Carzz

**Slypknot** · 03-21-2003, 08:48 AM

Personally I'm amazed you've gained 17lbs in 3 weeks on a cycle that looks like this... running Sust at 250 a week and Deca at only 200mg a week is WAY too low.

Why do clomid at week 9-10?? Good for post therapy but not sure why you'd opt for it in the middle.

Hcg most likely will not be needed with a cycle of this dosage...

**CARZZ** · 03-21-2003, 08:51 AM

I thought you needed clomid a couple weeks after dbol and sus.....Not primo and v.....
What do you think I shoud do as far as Sus and deca .........How much....

**PrOviRoN** · 03-22-2003, 11:00 AM

Sust 500 mg/wk 2 shots a week
deca 400mg/wk
Run HCG 500 iu every 10 days till the end of ur cycle
USE NOLVADEC 10 mg ed
CLOMID 7 days post cycle

**CARZZ** · 03-22-2003, 02:11 PM

Thanks for the info.... I will bump up sus and deca this week to 500 and 400 .....
End of third week and weight is up 18 LBS........
Eating like a PIG... tons of Protein...
Work outs are real good and feel strong.....
Chest is still real sore..... Bumped up Nolvadex to 20 mg daily....
Only problem is no hcg .... Will that hurt gains???
Have to go eat MORE CHICKEN.............
Thanks....

**CARZZ** · 03-26-2003, 07:49 PM

Middle of 4th week.....
weight is down about 2 lbs and basically staying around 205
Eating good and training like a mo fo......
I took Sat and Sun off from the gym and I felt great on monday.
Benche 275, 5 times ....that is good for me......
Worried about two things though, nipples are real sore and puffy... still taking 20 mgs nolvadex a day....
Other thing is I am loosing hair like crazy, shower, sheets, everywhere.
Maybe I am just being paranoid.... Read to many things on side effects...

**longhornDr** · 03-26-2003, 10:11 PM

I hope you're getting liver enzyme tests done throughout your cycle. 8 weeks of dbol then straight to winny looks pretty rough.

**Vibrantred94gt** · 03-26-2003, 10:41 PM

Dude, it is not sounding to good to someone who is thinking about doing a cycle!!

Is it normal to loose that much hair?

**CARZZ** · 03-27-2003, 06:36 AM

I think the Gyno Shittt is in my head, no lump to be fund, no itchiness, I have read it is normal to be have a little puffiness and soreness...... I will keep you posted.
The hair thing is my own lack of research..... I have been on propecia for two years, works good, havent lost anymore and think I have gained... I only recently researched about deca and propecia not mixing well. I have stopped taking propecia till the cycle is over.... Does anyone know how long after deca to start taking propecia again.....
The thing that amazes me is that I work out every week 5 days....
Two training partners and we train real hard.....
Only the last week or so do I have people telling me I look bigger.... The gear takes you to the next level.....

**CARZZ** · 03-31-2003, 12:39 PM

Need some advice... Changed my cycle to this due to other opinions....
I am starting my 5th week
Dbol Ended yesterday, was taking 6 per day
Sust 250 twice a week
deca 400 mg once per week....
Ok, good gains so far..... Here is where I need help......
I was going to run the sus and deca for 8 weeks, take two weeks off,Only use clem, then do 6 weeks of winny and primobolin 2cc each per week.
Then finish with clomid and Clem....
Does this sound ok...... When exactly should I do clomid and for how many days ???? I heard three weeks after cycle.....
Thanks for the help......
So far gains are great......