Oral only cycles: my experience log

[Deltaviking]

Hello everybody, I've been researching oral only cycles for a while now and have found so many mixed reviews, I decided I would test them myself. I am creating this thread so that you all that are considering it can be better informed.

I am 7 days in to my first of many oral only cycles I have planned for this experiment an I intend to update this thread weekly. My first is Dbol at 40mgs/ED for 4wks with nolvadex as pct/prevent gyno if needed. I also have liv52. I am aware of the theory that I will supposedly lose almost all of my gains but I decided to say screw it and test it myself. I have chosen to keep expectations relatively low. So, here is what has happened so far...
7 days in I have gone from 198 to 203 with no water retention I can see. I have noticed average of about 5lbs of strength increase during this time. I work out 6 days a week and my diet has not been perfect but basically I'm staying away from sweets and eating as much protein as possible. I work out as soon as I wake up in the morning an I have noticed shortness of breath if I try to push myself too long. My doses are 20mg caps I take 10mins before a work out and the second around 2pm.
I am excited to see how this turns out an before you guys flame me keep in mind this is an experiment meant to learn for myself and hopefully help somebody else. Feel free to ask questions!

[drake4243]

In my opinion this is just plain not smart. First all oral need should be taken with Test. Second any cycle with a bad diet is not going to get proper information logged about it, (i.e. I am going to stay away from sweets and eat a lot of protein. What. That is not a diet) Third, liv52 alone is not enough protection in my opinion. Whatever results you get or don’t get they will probably be more diet based than d-bol based since your diet it not good. And if you really want to help people you should at least run this properly (With Test) otherwise how can you help people when what you are doing is wrong from the start. Good luck though I feel this is just a dangerous waste of your time.

[Back In Black]

'First of many oral cycles'

I will doubt that comment very much.

This is idiotic but I will wish you good luck anyyay. You're gonna need it.

[< <Samson> >]

Ugggh

Why?

Will it work kinda sorta? Yes

But, it's shit. . . . If orals roids were worth doing alone wouldn't other guys do the same thing?

Oh yeah, say good bye to a working weiner < Ah, who needs one any way

[Deltaviking]

I made this thread for the purpose of finding out about oral only cycles, adding test would defeat the purpose. And I have not read a negative review from somebody who has actually done an oral only cycle, only speculation from people who haven't done it

[V-ROID]

Weeners are over-rated in my opinion. They do make oral test that you have to take like every 5 minutes if needles are too scary.

[V-ROID]

I made this thread for the purpose of finding out about oral only cycles, adding test would defeat the purpose. And I have not read a negative review from somebody who has actually done an oral only cycle, only speculation from people who haven't done it

I think everyone here, except you, already knows what the outcome will be. It's not about if you will gain, it's about what you could lose, and I don't mean muscles.

[Deltaviking]

Like I said, I'm not expecting miracles and I am going into this neutrally. I'm doing this as an experiment unbiased so hopefully I can help someone else.

[Deltaviking]

It's not like my dick will be permanently shut down. If anything becomes unbearable I can immediately stop and do pct. unless you have evidence stating that a 4 week oral cycle could permanently render your wiener useless?

[< <Samson> >]

It's not like my dick will be permanently shut down. If anything becomes unbearable I can immediately stop and do pct. unless you have evidence stating that a 4 week oral cycle could permanently render your wiener useless?

Try it, post your results.

I have not seen one male oral only cycle on here. . . . Why? Cause it's crap - But, prove everyone wrong.

[itsjayman02]

Hello everybody, I've been researching oral only cycles for a while now and have found so many mixed reviews, I decided I would test them myself. I am creating this thread so that you all that are considering it can be better informed.

I am 7 days in to my first of many oral only cycles I have planned for this experiment an I intend to update this thread weekly. My first is Dbol at 40mgs/ED for 4wks with nolvadex as pct/prevent gyno if needed. I also have liv52. I am aware of the theory that I will supposedly lose almost all of my gains but I decided to say screw it and test it myself. I have chosen to keep expectations relatively low. So, here is what has happened so far...
7 days in I have gone from 198 to 203 with no water retention I can see. I have noticed average of about 5lbs of strength increase during this time. I work out 6 days a week and my diet has not been perfect but basically I'm staying away from sweets and eating as much protein as possible. I work out as soon as I wake up in the morning an I have noticed shortness of breath if I try to push myself too long. My doses are 20mg caps I take 10mins before a work out and the second around 2pm.
I am excited to see how this turns out an before you guys flame me keep in mind this is an experiment meant to learn for myself and hopefully help somebody else. Feel free to ask questions!

A Human experiment !! you need to help yourself not mess yourself up

[Deltaviking]

I have yet to see any evidence that it would permanently mess me up. It could have temporary complications but any steroid is dangerous, oral or not. Unless you can give me first hand experience or a study supporting your statement, please refrain from making that type of comment. I dont mean to be rude but making a statement without any explanation, proof, etc wont help anyone.

[MuscleInk]

'First of many oral cycles'

I will doubt that comment very much.

This is idiotic but I will wish you good luck anyyay. You're gonna need it.

He should just donate his liver now while its still functional. I have numerous recipients in clinic that would trade their failed liver for his healthier one.

[< <Samson> >]

He should just donate his liver now while its still functional. I have numerous recipients in clinic that would trade their failed liver for his healthier one.

Add me to that list, liver < Who needs one anyway? Just like a working cawk, waste of time

[Deltaviking]

Doing an oral only cycle will not increase the damage to the liver anymore than if I added an injectable. It's okay to do more than one as long ad I give my liver sufficient time to recover

[MuscleInk]

Add me to that list, liver < Who needs one anyway? Just like a working cawk, waste of time

Lol.....I'll put you on stand by. Seen my share of hepatitis, liver failure, hepatic adenocarcinoma to see the unpleasant outcomes of a dysfunctional liver. Of all the cases, the hepatic ones I can do without.

[Fcastle357]

What's up guys. New on here but I'm here because oral only cycles do suck. I've done plenty of ph cycles but gains are ok at best and at worst spend a ton of cash to get a crappy 4 to 6 week cycle that is very hard to keep. Done trying to do it half assed

[Java Man]

This is one of the dumbest, ill conceived plans I have seen on this site. That's saying a lot because I've seen some really stupid sh!t float through here. I'm going to fvck my liver up, waste my money, eat sort of ok, and ruin my sex life (probably not a big deal though in this case) so I can prove whether a bunch of forum members that have hundreds of years worth of cumulative knowledge are right or not.

Good idea.

[ppwc1985]

At age 22 too, oh well when your done call lowtestosterone.com cause your gonna need them.

[Java Man]

At age 22 too, oh well when your done call lowtestosterone.com cause your gonna need them.

He won't. They'll want him to take injections. He needs to find a trt doc who only prescribes orals.

[MuscleInk]

This is one of the dumbest, ill conceived plans I have seen on this site. That's saying a lot because I've seen some really stupid sh!t float through here. I'm going to fvck my liver up, waste my money, eat sort of ok, and ruin my sex life (probably not a big deal though in this case) so I can prove whether a bunch of forum members that have hundreds of years worth of cumulative knowledge are right or not.

Good idea.

Pretty accurate assessment.....I just didn't want to argue with a 22 year old. I get tired of these younger guys claiming to know all about physiology when I spent nearly 15 years in research and medicine. I'd be the first to agree that the majority of docs are poorly educated on anabolic compounds and MOAs for these drugs, but most are well aware of the dangers associated with liver toxic compounds and the gravity of liver dysfunction.

[avl]

please don't OP, it really just isn't worth it, sure if you take enough of whatever oral you choose you will make some gains, and you wont **** up your liver, orals are useful and a good addition in any cycle but it's just not worth it for crashing your test. You will literally feel like shit after the first 2 weeks until after PCT, low libido, lethargic, depressed, no motivation, ed.

If you want to run an oral cycle only because you're afraid of IM injections - and that's nothing to be ashamed of, im sure most guys here were worried about them before they tried them and realised how easy it was, i know i was - then at least run HCG along with it. HCG is pinned sub cutaneously and is the easiest thing in the world to do, cheap and no risk and will avoid crashing your test levels and feeling like you got run over.

[Deltaviking]

please don't OP, it really just isn't worth it, sure if you take enough of whatever oral you choose you will make some gains, and you wont **** up your liver, orals are useful and a good addition in any cycle but it's just not worth it for crashing your test. You will literally feel like shit after the first 2 weeks until after PCT, low libido, lethargic, depressed, no motivation, ed.

If you want to run an oral cycle only because you're afraid of IM injections - and that's nothing to be ashamed of, im sure most guys here were worried about them before they tried them and realised how easy it was, i know i was - then at least run HCG along with it. HCG is pinned sub cutaneously and is the easiest thing in the world to do, cheap and no risk and will avoid crashing your test levels and feeling like you got run over.

Guess I should have mentioned, HCG will be used throughout cycle... Sorry bout that. And I am not afraid of injecting, I'm simply doing this because I've read both good and bad reviews and want to give it a shot myself, see what happens. Obviously, if things just get awful ill give it up and tell you that you're all geniuses, but until then I will keep this going. Feeling great so far btw (day 8)

[Deltaviking]

Well, noticed some water retention today. Looking puffy between my armpits and pecs and have almost no definition in my triceps. But for every bit of water, there is plenty of muscle and strength to go with it. I'm surprised that I'm getting results like this on day 9. I can't wait for weeks 2-3. Current weight 205
No signs of gyno (lumps/nipples hurting)

[Mp859]

This is pointless

[Sub_Zero]

Whenever you decide to conduct an experiment with something make sure you weigh pros and cons and have a very, very, very good reason behind it. Do plenty of research and listen to people their advice and their experience. Remember, knowledge is power, lack of it is weakness. And you just exposed yourself how weak you are.
No offence but you're not ready for any type of AAS. You altering natural hormone flow in your body which is still under development. If I were you I would quite, write everything down about what you have learned and mark it as lesson learned !!!!

[JohnnieWalker]

This is one of the dumbest, ill conceived plans I have seen on this site. That's saying a lot because I've seen some really stupid sh!t float through here. I'm going to fvck my liver up, waste my money, eat sort of ok, and ruin my sex life (probably not a big deal though in this case) so I can prove whether a bunch of forum members that have hundreds of years worth of cumulative knowledge are right or not.

Good idea.

LMAO this killed me! I've done a cycle of anavar only at 50mg a day. I ran this for 5 weeks with no pct but drops of arimidex . Pretty sloppy and stupid. I will admit this. I ate very well and did train amazingly. Even then, I gained 15 lbs on cycle, had some mild liver pain, lethargy, (My dong was fine, I was banging steady and blowing biggg loadss), but I started feeling depressed and tired (ie. Signs of low test).

Anyways if I were to redo it I would have ran test with it for sure...

My 2cents

[Sathane]

Pardon me for being a noob.

I do know that orals are said to cause liver damage but is that a definitely certainty if you take orals or is there just a high probability? Are there other factors at play?

[V-ROID]

Pardon me for being a noob.

I do know that orals are said to cause liver damage but is that a definitely certainty if you take orals or is there just a high probability? Are there other factors at play?

Liver damage is the least of this cats worries...

[Sathane]

Liver damage is the least of this cats worries...

I see. I'm reading up on all this stuff now.

[Aziz]

Hello everybody, I've been researching oral only cycles for a while now and have found so many mixed reviews, I decided I would test them myself. I am creating this thread so that you all that are considering it can be better informed.

I am 7 days in to my first of many oral only cycles I have planned for this experiment an I intend to update this thread weekly. My first is Dbol at 40mgs/ED for 4wks with nolvadex as pct/prevent gyno if needed. I also have liv52. I am aware of the theory that I will supposedly lose almost all of my gains but I decided to say screw it and test it myself. I have chosen to keep expectations relatively low. So, here is what has happened so far...
7 days in I have gone from 198 to 203 with no water retention I can see. I have noticed average of about 5lbs of strength increase during this time. I work out 6 days a week and my diet has not been perfect but basically I'm staying away from sweets and eating as much protein as possible. I work out as soon as I wake up in the morning an I have noticed shortness of breath if I try to push myself too long. My doses are 20mg caps I take 10mins before a work out and the second around 2pm.
I am excited to see how this turns out an before you guys flame me keep in mind this is an experiment meant to learn for myself and hopefully help somebody else. Feel free to ask questions!

stop the cycle right now and start pct. wait another 2-3 years to start a real cycle and get your diet in check. girls can inject why cant you? you are going to **** up your liver. stay safe please don't try this!

aziz

[C3RB3RUS]

i lost all my gains :'( aaawwwwwwe soooo sad, boo hooo. now i'm just focusing on diet. -totally sucked.

i'm doing PHAT ROUTINE and trying to eat with MACRO balance in mind. i'm F u l l ugh. casein tonight around 1 am scheduled

yesterday and today felt great even though i've lost what i made while on superdrol and triendione (oral dianabol ) slept like shit and had no appetite, and got fat.

i spent my birthday with my GF. it was her BD too. came off nolvadex and thought i was going to die. so close to loosing my moto, but **** NO i didn't happen. now i'm just getting back on track with more knowledge and motivation. kill

[Aziz]

i lost all my gains :'( aaawwwwwwe soooo sad, boo hooo. now i'm just focusing on diet. -totally sucked.

i'm doing PHAT ROUTINE and trying to eat with MACRO balance in mind. i'm F u l l ugh. casein tonight around 1 am scheduled

yesterday and today felt great even though i've lost what i made while on superdrol and triendione (oral dianabol ) slept like shit and had no appetite, and got fat.

i spent my birthday with my GF. it was her BD too. came off nolvadex and thought i was going to die. so close to loosing my moto, but **** NO i didn't happen. now i'm just getting back on track with more knowledge and motivation. kill

wtf lol ???

[tarmyg]

Try it, post your results.

I have not seen one male oral only cycle on here. . . . Why? Cause it's crap - But, prove everyone wrong.

BJJ have done some of the most documented cycles I have ever seen. His Oral only cycle can be seen here:

ANAVAR Cycle (for those interested)

Thanks
~T

[AD]

no updates from op? it would be end of wk3 now...just wondering how's things

[Juced_porkchop]

I made this thread for the purpose of finding out about oral only cycles, adding test would defeat the purpose. And I have not read a negative review from somebody who has actually done an oral only cycle, only speculation from people who haven't done it

there is a reason we vets and people that have researched hormones say no to oral only cycles. you need a test base. testosterone is used by the body for MANY functions other then just muscle and when you are on orals it shuts down your production of this. and orals and other ASS are not used in the exact same way by the body. . you should be at the very least replacing your test levels with an HRT amount.

I hope you smarten up after this one.... its not just about gains man.... but i suspect you are hearing what you want to hear/read...

[tarmyg]

Update?

[Aziz]

op you still alive man? liver okay?

[Wes201]

I'm sorry OP, but this was a really stupid thread to start. Giving people the idea to do stupid things like that or just making a human labrat out of yourself, either way, not smart!. We at AR are about helping one another out and "properly" educating the newbies on how to correctly and "safely" cycle. I really don't thing you should be making any more posts unless you are asking a question until you better educate yourself on the various aas compounds. beginner cycles, cycles geared for specific goals, What a "proper" pct is, correct dosing protocals and freaquency, liver protectants, antiestrogens,hcg

[tarmyg]

I am not sure this is necessarily a bad idea but it has to be done correctly or your toast.

~T