Monster-ish log

**monster-ish** · 02-28-2015, 09:16 AM

Ok so I decided to do a log for my first cycle.my first pin was last night. My cycle goes as follows-

Week 1-12, test e 500mg a week pin'd Tuesday, Friday
Week 1-4, test prop 100mg eod
Week 1-14, hcg 500iu a week pin'd with test stop 3 days prior to pct
Week 1-14, arimidex .25mg eod

Pct, 4 weeks
Nolv- 40/20/20/20
Clom- 50/50/25/25

My first pins went smoothly. Usually when they run on the same day I'll pin all together but last night I did test e and hcg on one pin and test p in the other both on my quads. I'll keep this thread updated every few days or so with progress and hopefully some pics in the next few weeks

**NACH3** · 02-28-2015, 09:28 AM

You still decided to kickstart w/prop on your first? Glad all went smoothly - know that when your prop and testE fall on same day you could pin that all in one shot... Just lookin out as your gonna need more inj sites(as you already know this)...

The only thing I could see you benefitting from is a lil stronger PCT - not much - but 75/50/50/50 40/40/20/20 I believe is Austinites first cycle protocol, if I'm not mistaken...

I'll be following this one for sure! GL!

**swolehead** · 02-28-2015, 09:31 AM

Goodluck man I'll be following like he said make sure you got enough injection spots

**kelkel** · 02-28-2015, 09:43 AM

No patience I see.

**Truejew15** · 02-28-2015, 09:54 AM

Why is test the only thing we should run on first cycle , isn't that the main thing that gives gyno

**NACH3** · 02-28-2015, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Truejew15

Why is test the only thing we should run on first cycle , isn't that the main thing that gives gyno

Yeah w/out an AI! AI controls test to Estro conversion... A long as you keep E2 in check Aromatase shouldnt be an issue!

**thephoenix25** · 02-28-2015, 10:47 AM

I'm in, good luck, following with interest

**monster-ish** · 02-28-2015, 12:21 PM

Yes I did decide to go ahead with the prop as a kick start and all went well. Went to the gym this morning and had an awesome workout. I already feel stronger probly all mental but still lol. I'll be rotating sites from glutes, quads, delts. Nach, yes I'll go with the pct u commented on. I knew it was something like that just couldn't remember off the top of my head lol

**monster-ish** · 02-28-2015, 03:42 PM

Me as of today. Will update maybe halfway through

**monster-ish** · 03-01-2015, 12:51 PM

day 3 of cycle. just did my 2nd prop pin this morning. had a little pip from both test e and prop pins to my quads im guessing its from never pinning before.

**NACH3** · 03-01-2015, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by monster-ish

day 3 of cycle. just did my 2nd prop pin this morning. had a little pip from both test e and prop pins to my quads im guessing its from never pinning before.

Also, technique will get better(and this causes pip for inexperienced users) plus w/more compound loaded make sure your pushing slowly(30-45s per cc works well for me and has definitely decreased pip from b4(plus just more experience... It'll come) just food for thought!

**monster-ish** · 03-02-2015, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Also, technique will get better(and this causes pip for inexperienced users) plus w/more compound loaded make sure your pushing slowly(30-45s per cc works well for me and has definitely decreased pip from b4(plus just more experience... It'll come) just food for thought!

I don't believe I pushed slow enough once I got the needle In oust pushed lol.tomorrow my pins run together so I'll pin together like u said. One thing I have noticed as a possible se is I can't seem to get enough water

**NACH3** · 03-02-2015, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by monster-ish

I don't believe I pushed slow enough once I got the needle In oust pushed lol.tomorrow my pins run together so I'll pin together like u said. One thing I have noticed as a possible se is I can't seem to get enough water

What do you mean? That on you feel that you need more H2O? Yes... Drink at least hlf your body weight in ounces... Or more... The more you drink the more is expelled thus keeping water retention down...

**swolehead** · 03-02-2015, 02:27 PM

whats your bf%?

**monster-ish** · 03-02-2015, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

What do you mean? That on you feel that you need more H2O? Yes... Drink at least hlf your body weight in ounces... Or more... The more you drink the more is expelled thus keeping water retention down...

I drink a lot of water all day but just feel thirsty all the time which is a good thing probably

**monster-ish** · 03-02-2015, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by swolehead

whats your bf%?

16-17%

**NACH3** · 03-02-2015, 03:10 PM

You'll notice that! Your body is working overtime, it needs more water than normal... Plus drinking more reduces bloat/water retention... Win/win!

**monster-ish** · 03-03-2015, 09:27 PM

third pin this morn I ran both test e and prop in the same pin. much easier

... although I do have a little redness and irritation where I pinned, guessing from putting 2ml of fluid in a virgin muscle.

**NACH3** · 03-04-2015, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by monster-ish

third pin this morn I ran both test e and prop in the same pin. much easier

... although I do have a little redness and irritation where I pinned, guessing from putting 2ml of fluid in a virgin muscle.

Also did you slow down your inj rate per ml? How fast did you push? This will help w/pip as well as technique... It comes much easier w/time!

**monster-ish** · 03-04-2015, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

Also did you slow down your inj rate per ml? How fast did you push? This will help w/pip as well as technique... It comes much easier w/time!

No I think I'm still pushing too fast, I try not to move the needle around too much and end up pushing too fast I think

**NACH3** · 03-04-2015, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by monster-ish

No I think I'm still pushing too fast, I try not to move the needle around too much and end up pushing too fast I think

Try timing it.... Like 30-45s per ml as this will help with pip... Especially if your not moving the pin around! So if you have like an minute hour glass once you aspirate turn over and try that or stop watch etc and keep pushing the same speed(I'm sure as you push too fast you can feel that feeling quick when starting to fast(I hope that makes sense I can't think of how to explain it better) lol.. Just some tips I've done in the past when getting my technique down...

**thephoenix25** · 03-04-2015, 09:08 PM

I regulate the speed of the injection by watching the plunger as it passes each 10th of a ml mark I'll pause and count to 10 (prob not 10 seconds but enough of a pause) then push on to the next 10th/ml mark, and repeat. Takes about 1 min to inject 1ml but is completely pain free with very minimal pip. If injecting in quads, sit in a chair with arm rests so you can support the weight of your arm, I find this helps to reduce shaking and movement of the pin. Hope some of this helps.

**NACH3** · 03-05-2015, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by thephoenix25

I regulate the speed of the injection by watching the plunger as it passes each 10th of a ml mark I'll pause and count to 10 (prob not 10 seconds but enough of a pause) then push on to the next 10th/ml mark, and repeat. Takes about 1 min to inject 1ml but is completely pain free with very minimal pip. If injecting in quads, sit in a chair with arm rests so you can support the weight of your arm, I find this helps to reduce shaking and movement of the pin. Hope some of this helps.

Agree Phoenix, I also suggest sitting so your muscles are relaxed(the more experience you have the better(Wgen I started pinning I always sat down) but w/time comes wisdom/experience(it gets to be second nature) it's good as Phoenix stated to push pause etc as you will not feel the pressure of the oil being injected(thus no pip or very minor - w/those virgin muscles)!

**tectime** · 03-05-2015, 08:42 AM

Right!^^^^^ One of the main components of good injection technique is being able to just relax. The worst thing you can do is tighten up when that needle hits you.it will get smoother and smoother with time. Don't let it psych you up....just relax.

**monster-ish** · 03-05-2015, 09:41 AM

I was definitely pushing too fast, nach I could feel the pressure when injected so im going to start timing it to get it down.

**monster-ish** · 03-05-2015, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by thephoenix25

I regulate the speed of the injection by watching the plunger as it passes each 10th of a ml mark I'll pause and count to 10 (prob not 10 seconds but enough of a pause) then push on to the next 10th/ml mark, and repeat. Takes about 1 min to inject 1ml but is completely pain free with very minimal pip. If injecting in quads, sit in a chair with arm rests so you can support the weight of your arm, I find this helps to reduce shaking and movement of the pin. Hope some of this helps.

thanks for the ideal ill be implementing that technique in my pins

**monster-ish** · 03-05-2015, 09:44 AM

4th pin today first one in my delt. it went well I felt like I pushed slow enough and don't feel any pip yet at all

**kudin** · 03-05-2015, 10:14 AM

I thought hcg goes in sub-q in the stomach..?

**NACH3** · 03-05-2015, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by kudin

I thought hcg goes in sub-q in the stomach..?

I prefer it subQ but just as effective IM... And if ya dont like pinning ed/eod than you may mix it w/your test shot... Etc. I personally don't like water based injectables in my oils... Just my preference as yhats all it is...

**kudin** · 03-05-2015, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by NACH3

I prefer it subQ but just as effective IM... And if ya dont like pinning ed/eod than you may mix it w/your test shot... Etc. I personally don't like water based injectables in my oils... Just my preference as yhats all it is...

Makes sence.

**monster-ish** · 03-06-2015, 11:01 PM

5th pin to quad this evening. I think I got this pin thing down as I feel no pip at all!

also had a great leg workout today. I feel like a monster in the gym lately gear must be g2g!

**monster-ish** · 03-10-2015, 07:48 PM

well I have messaged admin about moving the thread so now im just waiting...

In the meantime ill update the log. had pin number 8 this morning test e and hcg . im about two weeks in and im feeling great. im loving the prop kickstart (not the most fond of pining eod lol) and ive gained quite a bit in overall strength thus far. ive gained 6lb I don't feel it but not sure if its bloat or muscle gain. im sure probably both. diet has been clean and trying to keep my sodium down!

***Admin*** · 03-11-2015, 08:43 AM

I will take care of this for you and then clean these last few messages up... enjoyed reading...

Respect *admin*

**monster-ish** · 03-13-2015, 04:26 PM

End of week 2! so far ive seen a tremendous amount of strength gain and ive gone up 14lb! i feel great chest day today my favorite day of the week lol

**monster-ish** · 03-13-2015, 04:33 PM

Oh ya i was also thinking about adding in dbol for the last 4 weeks of the cycle. any opinions on dosing etc.? I was thinking of possibly waiting until the next to use

**TFAMILY** · 03-13-2015, 11:04 PM

Great Log man, getting the pins down is such a relief. I remember a year or so ago my roommate walked into my room without knocking and I turned hitting chair with syringe. I wouldn't wish the next week of pain on my worst enemy. hahah. I can't wait to see the results around week 4+, will be great!

Cheers bro!

**monster-ish** · 03-14-2015, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by TFAMILY

Great Log man, getting the pins down is such a relief. I remember a year or so ago my roommate walked into my room without knocking and I turned hitting chair with syringe. I wouldn't wish the next week of pain on my worst enemy. hahah. I can't wait to see the results around week 4+, will be great! Cheers bro!

Thanks bro!Dam man Ya def sounds painful! I think I got the pining down pretty good so far I get a little pip from the test e not too much though I'll definitely keep progress updated

Cheers!

**monster-ish** · 03-25-2015, 02:11 PM

Week 4 of cycle! Getting ready to come off the prop( last pin will be Friday) and I love it will consider doing prop only in future. My strength has gone through the roof and I've reached numbers I've never hit before. Ex. On bench I was able to do 275x5 on Monday. A personal best for me! One thing is I've been really tired/lethargic all week. I woke up for work this morning and was exhausted and am still exhausted now. The same yesterday I didn't even make it to the gym. I was thinking maybe high estro but I don't have any other side effects of high estro besides being crazy tired all week. Maybe just an off week. Anyhow cycle is going great and I'm up about 14lb still

**NACH3** · 03-25-2015, 06:58 PM

Congrats! I've been lookin for this/you lol

Your blood viscosity may be starting to thicken... Keep an eye on this lethargy... Don't go by feel... Make sure you pull your BW...

How often have you been training? Are you on the verge of overtraining? Take a couple rest days(I know it sucks on a cycle but necessary) your CNS is takin a beating w/this high intensity that can't be matched(like on -but if your mindset is on you can)...

IMO I'd donate blood around 6-8 wk mark(you'll feel better regardless)... But you could pull bloods at 5-6 if this keeps up...

Keep us posted!

**NACH3** · 03-25-2015, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by monster-ish

Oh ya i was also thinking about adding in dbol for the last 4 weeks of the cycle. any opinions on dosing etc.? I was thinking of possibly waiting until the next to use

You already front loaded w/prop(on a first cycle) stick to your original plan(this seems to happen often on the first couple cycles after seeing great quick results).... Save it for the next one!