4 Weeks In, Before And After So Far-

[GGallin]

Here Is me 4 weeks in 500mg Ew Test 250mg Ew Deca . And Before the cycle pics.
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[GGallin]

2 Months Ago.

[GGallin]

7 Months Ago.

[rafael]

big dif from the 7month ago one and present..good work

[chest6]

and you are taking steroids why.......?

[GGallin]

and you are taking steroids why.......?

What is that supposed to mean?

[perfectbeast2001]

I also think that AS was a bad move for you at this point in time. Looking at your pictures you have made a tremendous change fat loss wise which is great, well done. However Your current picture does not look to me like a body that has reached it's genetic max for muscle growth or fat loss. To be honest you look like you have only been lifting weights for a short period of time, you have no base. If you have trained for a long time then there is either something wrong with your diet or trianing or both. I don't want to seem harsh but I am just giving my honest opinion. Again props on the weight loss, great job.

[dedic8ed1]

Good progress,Now my best advice for you would be A LOW CARB diet with lots of cardio and CLEN .Leave the hardcore gear alone bro.PM me and I'll give you the formula for success.

[dedic8ed1]

What is that supposed to mean?

He says that because if your trying to lose fat then there's no reason you should be taking juice because it's not as effective burning fat then cardio and a low carb diet.

[GGallin]

So for one you should only take aas then when you have reached the pinnacle of what your body can do naturally? How can you say I have no base, I have 19 1/2 inch biceps, most people have to work hard for that. I know I am overweight which tends to hide some of the definition I have. I have been lifting now for 7 Months straight although I do admit my diet could be better but I am not trying to cut right now anyways I am trying to bulk up. I have put on 15 lbs thus far which I am sure is not all muscle but I do feel and look bigger every one keeps telling me. Pics can be deceiving, but that fair enough I guess I did put my pics out there to be scrutinized. But I think you are way off when you say I have no base, I have seen you guys tell people half my size "Hey Nice Base". Oh well, you will see once this cycle is over and I cut all my excess fat.

[JohnboyF]

people were simply sayin your BF was to high to start this cycle. adding 15lbs like you said which is not all muscle as stated by yourself. its' just going to make it even harder for you to drop weight and going from 25 bf to about 15-12% u will loose an ernomous amount of muscle during that process. But progress is seen in your pics!

[GGallin]

Well I knew before the cycle I was too heavy. Like I said I am bulking right now. When this cycle ends I am going to cut up, eat better and do more cardio. When I am ready and off this cycle long enough I am gonna do a winny Test cycle. If you guys think I am overweight then just say it, it just felt as though you were bashing all my efforts. I train 5-6 times a week and eat 6-7 meals a day. I am doing the best I can.

[wildman536]

So for one you should only take aas then when you have reached the pinnacle of what your body can do naturally? How can you say I have no base, I have 19 1/2 inch biceps, most people have to work hard for that. I know I am overweight which tends to hide some of the definition I have. I have been lifting now for 7 Months straight although I do admit my diet could be better but I am not trying to cut right now anyways I am trying to bulk up. I have put on 15 lbs thus far which I am sure is not all muscle but I do feel and look bigger every one keeps telling me. Pics can be deceiving, but that fair enough I guess I did put my pics out there to be scrutinized. But I think you are way off when you say I have no base, I have seen you guys tell people half my size "Hey Nice Base". Oh well, you will see once this cycle is over and I cut all my excess fat.

i see a tremendous change, (for the way better) When you do cut down youll be a friggen moster also (and that is what matters)--staying big after the cut. What is your weight now? are you throwing around some serious weight?

Good Job thus far!!

[wildman536]

Well I knew before the cycle I was too heavy. Like I said I am bulking right now. When this cycle ends I am going to cut up, eat better and do more cardio. When I am ready and off this cycle long enough I am gonna do a winny Test cycle. If you guys think I am overweight then just say it, it just felt as though you were bashing all my efforts. I train 5-6 times a week and eat 6-7 meals a day. I am doing the best I can.

IMO i do not think that there is any validity to someone that says someone is to (heavy--fatwise) I love having a little extra weight when im going through a mass gaining cycle simply because i PERSONALLY (and prolly a few more people on here can say) i throw WAY more weight up than when im trying to go from a low BF% to gaining (muscle of course) Keep doing what you are doing and when you do come to cutting season youll be good.

[JohnboyF]

Well I knew before the cycle I was too heavy. Like I said I am bulking right now. When this cycle ends I am going to cut up, eat better and do more cardio. When I am ready and off this cycle long enough I am gonna do a winny Test cycle. If you guys think I am overweight then just say it, it just felt as though you were bashing all my efforts. I train 5-6 times a week and eat 6-7 meals a day. I am doing the best I can.

I was not bashing, all that was stated was your bf is /was to high .. but it seems like you have a plan in your mind and the right approach. Just clean up diet now and do Cardio now as well. Then set up your cutting diet

[GGallin]

i see a tremendous change, (for the way better) When you do cut down youll be a friggen moster also (and that is what matters)--staying big after the cut. What is your weight now? are you throwing around some serious weight?

Good Job thus far!!

I am 265. The most I have benched thus far is 375 3 times. 360 on the hammer press machine. I can curl 80lbs in one arm 5 times.

[perfectbeast2001]

So for one you should only take aas then when you have reached the pinnacle of what your body can do naturally? How can you say I have no base, I have 19 1/2 inch biceps, most people have to work hard for that. I know I am overweight which tends to hide some of the definition I have. I have been lifting now for 7 Months straight although I do admit my diet could be better but I am not trying to cut right now anyways I am trying to bulk up. I have put on 15 lbs thus far which I am sure is not all muscle but I do feel and look bigger every one keeps telling me. Pics can be deceiving, but that fair enough I guess I did put my pics out there to be scrutinized. But I think you are way off when you say I have no base, I have seen you guys tell people half my size "Hey Nice Base". Oh well, you will see once this cycle is over and I cut all my excess fat.

I'm sorry mate but from those pics i don't see any muscle at all, especially arms and that is hardly suprising seeing as you only been training 7 months. When you cut be prepared for your biceps to measure about 16". No flame intended I just think you could have waited thats all.

[GGallin]

I was not bashing, all that was stated was your bf is /was to high .. but it seems like you have a plan in your mind and the right approach. Just clean up diet now and do Cardio now as well. Then set up your cutting diet

I didnt really mean you. But its all good guys, I understand I am not where I should be. My body fat has always been my problem. I just hate how weak I get when I lose that weight, fat mass does give you more strength and power in my experience. Sorry to get so touchy, I am just self conscious I guess.

[dedic8ed1]

Well I knew before the cycle I was too heavy. Like I said I am bulking right now. When this cycle ends I am going to cut up, eat better and do more cardio. When I am ready and off this cycle long enough I am gonna do a winny Test cycle. If you guys think I am overweight then just say it, it just felt as though you were bashing all my efforts. I train 5-6 times a week and eat 6-7 meals a day. I am doing the best I can.

I'd hold off on the winny until you get in the single digits of BF,you just won't benifit from it other wise.Just follow my pm and you can't fail.Stop worrying about gear man it's not for you right now.And when you drop down to single digits in BF,you'll look like a monster.Be patient my friend be patient.

[GGallin]

I didnt really mean you. But its all good guys, I understand I am not where I should be. My body fat has always been my problem. I just hate how weak I get when I lose that weight, fat mass does give you more strength and power in my experience. Sorry to get so touchy, I am just self conscious I guess.

The only thing I can pinch off of my arms is skin. The main fat area on me is my gut. The rest of my body has minimal fat considering. If I only have 16" biceps after cutting I will fly to the U.K., kiss your brittish buttox and proclaim to the queen that I am a bloody wanker who deserves to be flogged by Tony Blair.

[perfectbeast2001]

The only thing I can pinch off of my arms is skin. The main fat area on me is my gut. The rest of my body has minimal fat considering. If I only have 16" biceps after cutting I will fly to the U.K., kiss your brittish buttox and proclaim to the queen that I am a bloody wanker who deserves to be flogged by Tony Blair.

Well that would be quite funny!! Look mate your a nice guy and like i said you have done great with the fat loss. When you cut you will see. I know because i have been as fat/fatter then you and had exactly the same mentality. I had a wobbly belly but the rest of me was "solid" or so i thought. My arms were over 20". When i got down to single digits (BF) everything was smaller and I truly appreciated what solid actually was. Arms were 16.5". Take into account by this time i had been training hard for 3 years solid and diet was good to the point of being obsessive. I'll book you a flight! J/K good luck man.

[JohnboyF]

okay now ur being dumb

your body fat is 22+

[Random]

I have 19 1/2 inch biceps, most people have to work hard for that.

Who cares how "big" your arms are? honestly they look Tiny compared to your torso...and not much definition....im not tryin to be a bastard but WHY would you do a Bulking cycle when you could just do a Cutting cycle and still gain muscle at the same time? doesnt make any sense to me....

CD

[JohnboyF]

Who cares how "big" your arms are? honestly they look Tiny compared to your torso...and not much definition....im not tryin to be a bastard but WHY would you do a Bulking cycle when you could just do a Cutting cycle and still gain muscle at the same time? doesnt make any sense to me....

CD

Ditto...

It's been stated numerous of time..

FF

[C_Bino]

Well good work on the fat loss. You have improved greatly. Whether or not you should have done a cycle doesnt matter anymore. But I think you have some idealistic images which are only gonna cause you to b let down later on. Im tellin you this to help you remember.

When perfect beast said your bi's wll be 16 inches he wasnt over exagerating, I will post a pic of myself in this post that I took last summer. Compare my arms to yours and you be the judge.



My arms were prolly like 17.5 inches there. Yours at 19inches like you say look smaller than mine there. And to say all you can pinch off your arms is skin....well you are just lying to yourself. It is great to be confident bro dont get me wrong, you have to be in this game. But also be realistic or else you will never truly improve. You gotta be your toughest critic. If I posted pics and people told me Im fat I would say F*ck ya what the hell am I doing. You should be harder on yourself than your worst critic on this site or else you will never be the best you can.

Anyways, good progress like i said. Just a couple thoughts I wanted to send your way.

[helium3]

Well good work on the fat loss. You have improved greatly. Whether or not you should have done a cycle doesnt matter anymore. But I think you have some idealistic images which are only gonna cause you to b let down later on. Im tellin you this to help you remember.

When perfect beast said your bi's wll be 16 inches he wasnt over exagerating, I will post a pic of myself in this post that I took last summer. Compare my arms to yours and you be the judge.



My arms were prolly like 17.5 inches there. Yours at 19inches like you say look smaller than mine there. And to say all you can pinch off your arms is skin....well you are just lying to yourself. It is great to be confident bro dont get me wrong, you have to be in this game. But also be realistic or else you will never truly improve. You gotta be your toughest critic. If I posted pics and people told me Im fat I would say F*ck ya what the hell am I doing. You should be harder on yourself than your worst critic on this site or else you will never be the best you can.

Anyways, good progress like i said. Just a couple thoughts I wanted to send your way.

good post,i think it helps to give people a reality check.

@ggallin well done on the weight loss and training thus far,keep it up.

[*Narkissos*]

Well that would be quite funny!! Look mate your a nice guy and like i said you have done great with the fat loss. When you cut you will see. I know because i have been as fat/fatter then you and had exactly the same mentality. I had a wobbly belly but the rest of me was "solid" or so i thought. My arms were over 20". When i got down to single digits (BF) everything was smaller and I truly appreciated what solid actually was. Arms were 16.5". Take into account by this time i had been training hard for 3 years solid and diet was good to the point of being obsessive. I'll book you a flight! J/K good luck man.

You know what's more amusing?

I'm lean offseason... My arms are maybe 18" and some.

When i'm shredded they're 16.5"-17".

This is me lean..and i lose an inch. He's above 20% bodyfat and expects to be lean with more?


Bodyfat is stored almost equally accross the body. To say 'i only have gut fat' is self-delusion.

Dude... You need to re-assess yourself.

Self-delusion doesn't help you to reach your goals.. only hinders them.

Props on losing weight.. Good luck with your other goals.

[GGallin]

Who cares how "big" your arms are? honestly they look Tiny compared to your torso...and not much definition....im not tryin to be a bastard but WHY would you do a Bulking cycle when you could just do a Cutting cycle and still gain muscle at the same time? doesnt make any sense to me....

CD

Well at first I was told only to do a Test e cycle by people on here. Then I was told to add deca for better results. So I guess with conflicting info its hard to know who is right or wrong. Every on has different opinions. I understand what you guys are telling me and I dont have any unrealistic goals. I know I was unprepared for my cycle but 4 weeks in is a little late for regrets. I feel good in the gym, my energy is way up, my strength is getting better and every one around me is noticing improvement and commenting to me about the way I look. I guess thats whats important is that I feel great, I look a little better and I have no regrets. If I have 16" or even 14" when I am done then so be it. My ultimate goal is to be cut, and once I am done with this cycle I will do just that. I will go above and beyond all your expectations and show you that I am a Fvcking beast. Well thanks for being honest and giving me more of a reason to kick some ass in the gym. Sorry If I got a little bitchy......Maybe its the hormones...... But in any case the next time you see a pic of my fat ass it wont be so fat and you will be amazed at what you see.

[JohnboyF]

Well at first I was told only to do a Test e cycle by people on here. Then I was told to add deca for better results. So I guess with conflicting info its hard to know who is right or wrong. Every on has different opinions. I understand what you guys are telling me and I dont have any unrealistic goals. I know I was unprepared for my cycle but 4 weeks in is a little late for regrets. I feel good in the gym, my energy is way up, my strength is getting better and every one around me is noticing improvement and commenting to me about the way I look. I guess thats whats important is that I feel great, I look a little better and I have no regrets. If I have 16" or even 14" when I am done then so be it. My ultimate goal is to be cut, and once I am done with this cycle I will do just that. I will go above and beyond all your expectations and show you that I am a Fvcking beast. Well thanks for being honest and giving me more of a reason to kick some ass in the gym. Sorry If I got a little bitchy......Maybe its the hormones...... But in any case the next time you see a pic of my fat ass it wont be so fat and you will be amazed at what you see.

[timtim]

so you trained for 7 months and decided aas was the only route you could take?

you arms dont look 19" and if they are thats cool but they're not muscular at all. size means nothing if you can't see any muscle.

if you aren't aware, estrogenic bodyfat gained on cycle is much harder to lose than adding regular bf. the fact that you started the cycle with well over 20% bf (more than likely meaning your pre-cycle estrogen levels were high) isn't going to make dropping bf later any easier. in fact, it will be harder. reassessing why your working out and why your using aas is something you may want to think about.

[*Alex*]

so you trained for 7 months and decided aas was the only route you could take?

you arms dont look 19" and if they are thats cool but they're not muscular at all. size means nothing if you can't see any muscle.

if you aren't aware, estrogenic bodyfat gained on cycle is much harder to lose than adding regular bf. the fact that you started the cycle with well over 20% bf (more than likely meaning your pre-cycle estrogen levels were high) isn't going to make dropping bf later any easier. in fact, it will be harder. reassessing why your working out and why your using aas is something you may want to think about.

is that a fact???

[TheIronBull]

so you trained for 7 months and decided aas was the only route you could take?

you arms dont look 19" and if they are thats cool but they're not muscular at all. size means nothing if you can't see any muscle.

if you aren't aware, estrogenic bodyfat gained on cycle is much harder to lose than adding regular bf. the fact that you started the cycle with well over 20% bf (more than likely meaning your pre-cycle estrogen levels were high) isn't going to make dropping bf later any easier. in fact, it will be harder. reassessing why your working out and why your using aas is something you may want to think about.

Why is that? If one gains more muscle - your metabolism increase and you burn more caroleries.
Am I not correct in this matter or am I missing something?
I do realize his estrogen levels will be high after his cycle but with correct and proper post-cycling, this shouldn't be a issue. So, why do you think it will be harder?

[doctadank]

so you trained for 7 months and decided aas was the only route you could take?

you arms dont look 19" and if they are thats cool but they're not muscular at all. size means nothing if you can't see any muscle.

if you aren't aware, estrogenic bodyfat gained on cycle is much harder to lose than adding regular bf. the fact that you started the cycle with well over 20% bf (more than likely meaning your pre-cycle estrogen levels were high) isn't going to make dropping bf later any easier. in fact, it will be harder. reassessing why your working out and why your using aas is something you may want to think about.

okay i wasnt about to comment on this thread, but i have a few things to say now. first of all there is no such thing as estrogenic body fat, bodyfat is bodyfat in my book.

second to the creater of the thread, you definately do not need steroids or even clenbuterol (dont even think about it). what you need is more time in the gym, more time surrounding yourself with healthier foods, and more cardio and more rest and no alcohol. Who cares how big your arms are if they look like a slab of meat. dude just how proportional your arms are to the rest of your body, like your stomach!

also dude by lookin at you i would never have even guessed that you know what a gym actually looks like inside.

im not trying to flame, but you need to get your priorities in order.

[SVTMuscle*]

lol @ the ownage in this thread

[Hackamaniac]

I wouldn't call it ownage SVT..
I think people are helping him in several ways..
Good luck to you Gallin..Hit it on this cycle is hard as you can..No regrets!

[SVTMuscle*]

ownage to me!

[Hackamaniac]

ownage to me!

No worse than what usually happens in your threads

[GGallin]

okay i wasnt about to comment on this thread, but i have a few things to say now. first of all there is no such thing as estrogenic body fat, bodyfat is bodyfat in my book.

second to the creater of the thread, you definately do not need steroids or even clenbuterol (dont even think about it). what you need is more time in the gym, more time surrounding yourself with healthier foods, and more cardio and more rest and no alcohol. Who cares how big your arms are if they look like a slab of meat. dude just how proportional your arms are to the rest of your body, like your stomach!

also dude by lookin at you i would never have even guessed that you know what a gym actually looks like inside.

im not trying to flame, but you need to get your priorities in order.

Hey thanks for the positive reinforcement dick. Hey if any one wants to lower thier self image then by all means post your pics here. For one I dont drink. I do know what the inside of the gym looks like, just because I am fat doesnt mean I have no muscle or that my arms are weak slabs of meat. I work out several days a week, I do need to get my diet in check and I would like to sleep more but its hard when you work 40+ hours a week, having a kid doesnt help and working out 8-10 hours a week does not leave you with much time to eat as good as you should or get nearly as much sleep as you should. There is a difference in critiquing some one and just being an a-hole and you have crossed that line. I am sorry I am not the aas Einstiens that you are, I am rather new to this. I guess from now on I will keep my results to myself. Sorry to disgust you guys with my fat pathetic physique.

[italianplayboy09]

i think the reason why everyone is giving you these types of responses is b/c when you first came here i remember quite clearly that you asked if you were ready for steroids in the steroids q&a and people including myself said that you were too high in bf% to start any cycle, but you went ahead and started one and if you ask me you just wasted a lot of money on something that coulda been achieved easily

[GGallin]

How many times do I have to admit I was in the wrong? The fact is that I am already 4 weeks into a cycle so I might as well finnish. I doubt its a total waste of money due to the fact that I can feel the changes happening, unfortunatly my high Bf% is covering up all of my progress. You guys were and are right I was to heavy to start the cycle and I am still too heavy. Now can we move on past that and give me some advice rather than just saying "man you look like a fat weak piece of crap" in so many words. Its true I should have listened but sometimes I get overzelous, especially when you finally find some gear and are sitting on it and it keeps tempting you to try it. Point taken. Like I said earlier you will see a better change in the next set of pics and beleive me I will make sure I am ready this time so hopefully 80% of the remarks wont be negative. I guess I thought I looked better than I really do, I mean I know I am far from chizzled but considering what I looked like 7 months ago I look considerably better....... well at least I thought I did. I dont know what else to say really. Sorry I didnt listen to you guys from the beginning.