Tired of just being strong

**kgrig75** · 01-05-2008, 05:31 PM

Im really tired of just being strong and people just thinking im big. im 20 years old and im on and have been on an extremely hard workout and deit. Iv'e lost a little weight but not much. im at about 220 and im 6'1. im all natural and want to change that. ive looked at many cut cycles but i dont know what the one for me would be. i want the weight off fast too. ive looked at clen and tren and tuff i just dont know what would be good to take. i also would like to take something to make my muscles harder. any advice, would be awesome. thanks a lot.

Kaden

**Big** · 01-05-2008, 05:42 PM

I would recommend diet and cardio till your body fat % is lower.

**Johny-too-small** · 01-05-2008, 05:45 PM

Yup, get the bf down.

**FREAK** · 01-05-2008, 05:47 PM

agreed, still a little young to be jumpin on a cycle u need to get your diet under control first

**kgrig75** · 01-05-2008, 06:27 PM

ive been dieting about 8 months now. i dont mean to be like forcing anything but im gunna start sumthin, maybe not a cycle but jus like clen /deca /d-bol or sumthin. but the bf% is why i want to take clen or tren or sumthin. my diet is under control, completely.

**C_Bino** · 01-05-2008, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by kgrig75

ive been dieting about 8 months now. i dont mean to be like forcing anything but im gunna start sumthin, maybe not a cycle but jus like clen/deca/d-bol or sumthin. but the bf% is why i want to take clen or tren or sumthin. my diet is under control, completely.

If your diet was under control you would have your bf% under control. If you want to lose weight AAS and clen arent gonna do it for you.

Post up your diet RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW and lets see how under control it is.
Also what kind of cardio are you doing and how often and when?

I mean your not FORCING anything if you wanna do AAS, its your own decision but you obviously came to us for advice, and we are telling you that starting AAS when you dont know much about nutrition/conditioning/weight lifting is gonna be a big waste of your money.

I mean to be blunt about it, when I look at you I could never tell you have ever even lifted a single weight before. No offense but really you need to learn more about nutrition and training techniques.

**VWbug66** · 01-05-2008, 06:31 PM

low dose of test, tren is not reconmended for beginners. 4th or 5th cycle is when ur usually ready for it...jst run sum test and cycle the clen in there is what i would do...yall agree with that??

**VWbug66** · 01-05-2008, 06:32 PM

but definitly get ur bf% down before u go down that road..

**Big** · 01-05-2008, 06:34 PM

C Bino- perfectly stated as usual.

**sorel_C** · 01-05-2008, 06:36 PM

i say hop on some a-dex or letro first dude,, something aint looking right in your tittie's,, and you dont need any thing to lose weight except diet and cardio,, those 2 words will haunt you as long as you keep asking what to take to lose weight

**FREAK** · 01-05-2008, 06:40 PM

something aint looking right in your tittie's,,

**kgrig75** · 01-05-2008, 07:22 PM

ugh, i got 3 months to get it as low as possible, ill be on later and post up my diet. but i wrestle for my college and so my cardio is a little over the top. im trying to get to a lower weight class before its too late. sorry my "titties" dont look right for you.

**kgrig75** · 01-05-2008, 11:20 PM

Protein Shake in the morning, with mega glutamine and hydroxy cut hardcore, fruit and veggies for lunch, sometimes a peanutbutter and jelly sandwhich, and always some kind of steak for dinner. and i never eat out. i take 100% weigh Protein

**naturalsux** · 01-05-2008, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by kgrig75

Protein Shake in the morning, with mega glutamine and hydroxy cut hardcore, fruit and veggies for lunch, sometimes a peanutbutter and jelly sandwhich, and always some kind of steak for dinner. and i never eat out. i take 100% weigh Protein

your not eating enough times a day. shoot for 5-6 meals every 2 and a half to 3hrs. check out the diet section, lots to read.

**Big** · 01-05-2008, 11:26 PM

wow, that diet is way, way off base if you want to grow some muscle.

**Logan13** · 01-06-2008, 03:34 AM

Originally Posted by kgrig75

sorry my "titties" dont look right for you.

He has a point. Make sure that when/if you decide to include AAS in your regimen that you take the necessary precautions to avoid getting gyno as you may be prone to it. Not a flame, just a suggestion.

**Garnelek** · 01-06-2008, 06:50 AM

I don't see why u should cycle to cut.U have a bad diet and u need to do more cardio.Doing more cardio and eating right will work wonders for u.If u still wanna use something to help burn ur fat go natural.Try green tea,caffeine and carnitine.

**Mike S.** · 01-06-2008, 01:50 PM

your diet isnt very good at all you arnt eating enough and you need more food proteins and carbs. Check out the how to cut thread or the how to gain lean mass.

**sportyharley1200** · 01-06-2008, 06:41 PM

agree get serious with the diet, then if you still want test then and some glen but do some research with them before hand. Test and Glen will help with some fat reduction but u akso need to be aware of the gyno....peace

**Big** · 01-06-2008, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by sportyharley1200

agree get serious with the diet, then if you still want test then and some glen but do some research with them before hand. Test and Glen will help with some fat reduction but u akso need to be aware of the gyno....peace

Glen refused to help me

**number twelve** · 01-06-2008, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by C_Bino

If your diet was under control you would have your bf% under control. If you want to lose weight AAS and clen arent gonna do it for you.

Post up your diet RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW and lets see how under control it is.
Also what kind of cardio are you doing and how often and when?

I mean your not FORCING anything if you wanna do AAS, its your own decision but you obviously came to us for advice, and we are telling you that starting AAS when you dont know much about nutrition/conditioning/weight lifting is gonna be a big waste of your money.

I mean to be blunt about it, when I look at you I could never tell you have ever even lifted a single weight before. No offense but really you need to learn more about nutrition and training techniques.

word...

**DIESELPWR** · 01-07-2008, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by Ima******ger

Glen refused to help me

***perfectbeast2001*** · 01-07-2008, 03:29 AM

Your diet is terrible. it is not good even for an average person who isnt training let alone someone trying to lose fat and build muscle. Here is a cutting diet i used pre comp last year.

Meal 1 - 5 egg whites (cal 80, pro18), Oats 60g (cal222 carb38 pro9 fat4), 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5). sprinkle cinnamon. TOTALS - Cal 414, carbs 40 pro 50, Fat 6
WORKOUT

PWO - 1 scoop whey (cal112, carb2, pro23, fat2), WMS 40g (cal140 carb34) TOTALS – Cal252, carbs36, pro23 fat 2

PPWO -- 5 egg whites (cal 80, pro18), Oats 60g (cal222 carb38 pro9 fat4), 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5). sprinkle cinnamon. TOTALS - Cal 414, carbs 40, pro 50, Fat 6

meal 4 - 150g chicken (cal247 pro46 fat4) EFA Oil (cal83 fat9g) Broccoli 100g (cal34, carbs 10)TOTALS – cal364, pro46, carbs 10 fat13

Meal 5 - 150g chicken (cal247 pro46 fat4) EFA Oil (cal83 fat9g) Broccoli 100g (cal34, carbs 10)TOTALS – cal364, pro46, carbs 10 fat13

Meal 6 - 150g chicken (cal247 pro46 fat4) Coconut Oil (cal83 fat9g) Broccoli 100g (cal34, carbs 10)TOTALS – cal364, pro46, carbs 10 fat13

Before Bed – Lean Mince150g (cal246 pro38 fat9) Broccoli 100g (cal34, carbs 10) Walnuts 7 halves (cal93 pro2 fat9 carbs 2) TOTALS cal373 pro40 fat18 carbs 12

DAILY TOTAL Cal 2545 Carbs 170 Protein 301 fat 71

**qualityclrk1** · 01-07-2008, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

Your diet is terrible. it is not good even for an average person who isnt training let alone someone trying to lose fat and build muscle. Here is a cutting diet i used pre comp last year.

Meal 1 - 5 egg whites (cal 80, pro18), Oats 60g (cal222 carb38 pro9 fat4), 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5). sprinkle cinnamon. TOTALS - Cal 414, carbs 40 pro 50, Fat 6
WORKOUT

PWO - 1 scoop whey (cal112, carb2, pro23, fat2), WMS 40g (cal140 carb34) TOTALS – Cal252, carbs36, pro23 fat 2

PPWO -- 5 egg whites (cal 80, pro18), Oats 60g (cal222 carb38 pro9 fat4), 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5). sprinkle cinnamon. TOTALS - Cal 414, carbs 40, pro 50, Fat 6

meal 4 - 150g chicken (cal247 pro46 fat4) EFA Oil (cal83 fat9g) Broccoli 100g (cal34, carbs 10)TOTALS – cal364, pro46, carbs 10 fat13

Meal 5 - 150g chicken (cal247 pro46 fat4) EFA Oil (cal83 fat9g) Broccoli 100g (cal34, carbs 10)TOTALS – cal364, pro46, carbs 10 fat13

Meal 6 - 150g chicken (cal247 pro46 fat4) Coconut Oil (cal83 fat9g) Broccoli 100g (cal34, carbs 10)TOTALS – cal364, pro46, carbs 10 fat13

Before Bed – Lean Mince150g (cal246 pro38 fat9) Broccoli 100g (cal34, carbs 10) Walnuts 7 halves (cal93 pro2 fat9 carbs 2) TOTALS cal373 pro40 fat18 carbs 12

DAILY TOTAL Cal 2545 Carbs 170 Protein 301 fat 71

whats WMS?? ^ WMS 40.....and how do you weight out your food? i just read nutritional facts and put a little more than what my guess would be....idk if you or anyone else goes to the extent of pulling out a scale...

**raw12** · 01-07-2008, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by ramblin freak

agreed, still a little young to be jumpin on a cycle u need to get your diet under control first

you should have no problems lower your bodyfat naturaly.

**BoxerTricks07** · 01-07-2008, 09:24 AM

perfect beasts diet is completely correct but it also depends on how much you weigh if you only go gym once a day id keep your carbs down to about 100-150g per day and you want at least 1.5 grm of protein per pound of body weight looking at your stats you need about 380-400grms of proteind per day if your going gym regulary to be frank your diets crap especially if you want to lose weight and build muscle mate, dont go on a cycle for at least another year(and thats if your desperate) i wouldnt go on one in your condition and wait untill youv got a good platform first otherwise like the other guys say youll be chucking money away and you wont be doing yourself any favours regardless, something like wrestling isnt particulary extensive in cardio anyway mate although im not experienced in the field id say do some boxing at a club and get some hardcore cardio and then do a good workout of weights 2

**SMCengineer** · 01-07-2008, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by qualityclrk1

whats WMS?? ^ WMS 40.....and how do you weight out your food? i just read nutritional facts and put a little more than what my guess would be....idk if you or anyone else goes to the extent of pulling out a scale...

I think it's Waxy Maze Starch, but I could be wrong. If you want your calories to be accurate than buy a scale and weigh everything. It's not hard at all, in fact it may even save you some money if you are eating to much (it did for me).

To the original poster: Take Perfectbeasts advice with that diet. It's pretty much spot on depending on your goals and LBM. Do not cycle yet, you will be very dissapointed and from the pics it looks like you'll definitely have problems with gyno.

***perfectbeast2001*** · 01-07-2008, 03:49 PM

Yes WMS is waxy maize starch (the carb used in Vitargo). It is excellent for PWO but some prefer dex or even powdered oats. its trial and error as we are all different. That diet was just meant as an example. Obviously you should tailor your diet to your own calorific needs but at least it gives some idea on how a BBers diet should be structured.

**The_Iron_Canuck_88** · 01-07-2008, 05:11 PM

just a question but if you wrestle for your college wont you have problems if you get drug tested? or is it at random and your praying to god you dont get picked?

The Iron Canuck 88

**njgalligan** · 01-07-2008, 11:15 PM

good point, but i guess it just depends on what college you go to, i know some poor juco's that cant afford drug testing, ie labette community college, i know alot of guys that wrestle for them, and alot of them are cycleing, but every year they seem to win or come close to winning nationals. on top of that ive never seen a wrestler, other than heavy weights, thats in as poor of shape as you. no offense, but if you have signs of gyno right now without gear, then it might get worse being on gear. these guys know what there talking about, especially at 20, diet down to at least 200, then think about cycleing

**jon-john** · 03-04-2008, 04:03 PM

PB? On the eggs is it advisable to boil the eggs and on the chicken how do you measure it..a piece is equal to? or the broccoli??? DO you use a measuring cup or scale? Do you use some flavoring or what do you suggest I use. Ive been been adding ketchup so the taste would be better. Thanks in advance.. YOUR DEF A BEAST MAN...!

Originally Posted by perfectbeast2001

Your diet is terrible. it is not good even for an average person who isnt training let alone someone trying to lose fat and build muscle. Here is a cutting diet i used pre comp last year.

Meal 1 - 5 egg whites (cal 80, pro18), Oats 60g (cal222 carb38 pro9 fat4), 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5). sprinkle cinnamon. TOTALS - Cal 414, carbs 40 pro 50, Fat 6
WORKOUT

PWO - 1 scoop whey (cal112, carb2, pro23, fat2), WMS 40g (cal140 carb34) TOTALS – Cal252, carbs36, pro23 fat 2

PPWO -- 5 egg whites (cal 80, pro18), Oats 60g (cal222 carb38 pro9 fat4), 1scoop whey (cal112, carb2.5, pro23, fat1.5). sprinkle cinnamon. TOTALS - Cal 414, carbs 40, pro 50, Fat 6

meal 4 - 150g chicken (cal247 pro46 fat4) EFA Oil (cal83 fat9g) Broccoli 100g (cal34, carbs 10)TOTALS – cal364, pro46, carbs 10 fat13

Meal 5 - 150g chicken (cal247 pro46 fat4) EFA Oil (cal83 fat9g) Broccoli 100g (cal34, carbs 10)TOTALS – cal364, pro46, carbs 10 fat13

Meal 6 - 150g chicken (cal247 pro46 fat4) Coconut Oil (cal83 fat9g) Broccoli 100g (cal34, carbs 10)TOTALS – cal364, pro46, carbs 10 fat13

Before Bed – Lean Mince150g (cal246 pro38 fat9) Broccoli 100g (cal34, carbs 10) Walnuts 7 halves (cal93 pro2 fat9 carbs 2) TOTALS cal373 pro40 fat18 carbs 12

DAILY TOTAL Cal 2545 Carbs 170 Protein 301 fat 71

**jeremiahkentjensen** · 03-16-2008, 02:53 PM

a bit of work and you will be there, wat can those boobs bench

**Aussiemuscle** · 03-17-2008, 12:53 AM

1# eat like a bodybuilder (cutting or bulking) beasts is perfect
2# train like a bodybuilder (weights and cardio)
do both of these consistantly for atleast two years then come back to learn about steroids , your only twenty and although you have a big build you dont look like you have spent much time in a gym and your nowhere near the point of taking any form of steroids, do yourself a favour and concerntrate on 1# and 2# for two years or untill you hit a plateau then resort to steroids

**Lfs2shrt2bsml** · 03-18-2008, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by kgrig75

Protein Shake in the morning, with mega glutamine and hydroxy cut hardcore, fruit and veggies for lunch, sometimes a peanutbutter and jelly sandwhich, and always some kind of steak for dinner. and i never eat out. i take 100% weigh Protein

what are all these words that dont make sence...? looks like a diet but not for anyone serious about losing weight or sculpting their body..

**ChuckLee** · 03-18-2008, 03:48 AM

Originally Posted by Big

I would recommend diet and cardio till your body fat % is lower.

x2
Adding roids to your plans won't give you what you aim if there's not a good base to work to.

CL

**Obro** · 03-20-2008, 04:07 AM

Agree with all the wise words above.
It's been 10 weeks since you posted in this thread so I suspect you feel insulted or miss-understood.
The purpose of this forum is that we can all learn and hopefully all help each other and it's not just about roids. Theres so much fantastic FREE information here in the diet or excercise forums and much more.
Try not to be too impatient. I wish I was 20 again.
Read and read and read and you will learn - That's human nature.
Good luck kiddo.

**ChuckLee** · 03-20-2008, 04:19 AM

Tsup Obro
Things going well? quitted heavy drinking?

**Obro** · 03-20-2008, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

Tsup Obro
Things going well? quitted heavy drinking?

Dude you change your avatar like twice a day. Yes I quit 3 or 4 days ago (trying to get the wife pregnant so I can start my next cycle)

Sorry for hijacking the thread with lounge room discussion but the guys not posted for 10 weeks so.... This thread should be dead after this bump.

Chucklee I posted some new pics today in the members photos forum, same thread as before.

**ChuckLee** · 03-20-2008, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Obro

Dude you change your avatar like twice a day. Yes I quit 3 or 4 days ago (trying to get the wife pregnant so I can start my next cycle)

Sorry for hijacking the thread with lounge room discussion but the guys not posted for 10 weeks so.... This thread should be dead after this bump.

Chucklee I posted some new pics today in the members photos forum, same thread as before.

I'm gonna check them.
My avatar changing is a sort of a challenge I have sometimes w/my friend Diablo

But I can't understand why you're starting your cycle while trying to get your wife pregnant...I hope you know you aren't fertile as off while on AAS bro...

***El Diablo*** · 03-20-2008, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by ChuckLee

I'm gonna check them.
My avatar changing is a sort of a challenge I have sometimes w/my friend Diablo

But I can't understand why you're starting your cycle while trying to get your wife pregnant...I hope you know you aren't fertile as off while on AAS bro...

LOL..I have NUFFING to do with the changing of his Avatar.He is just Chuck-Lee ..
Why would u wanna hit AAS if i want to get ur wife pregnant.. ??