21yo 82kg i need help

**Lfs2shrt2bsml** · 01-25-2008, 02:43 AM

hi all im 21yo 82kg and still researching for my first cycle. my goal is to compete. my chest is too small for.... well even too small for a school boy. my legs are slowly coming along. im trying to cut down to under 12%bf but im struggling to get any abs . im only a new member and look forward to any help in the future. thanks guys

**A51M** · 01-25-2008, 12:19 PM

are you trying to cut or bulk?

**Lfs2shrt2bsml** · 01-26-2008, 07:13 AM

bulk maybe try to get another 4kgs of lean muscle before i get my feet wet and enter a competition

**Kale** · 01-26-2008, 07:47 AM

what does your diet look like ?

**soulstealer** · 01-26-2008, 08:17 AM

Post some pics too..

**Lfs2shrt2bsml** · 01-26-2008, 11:31 PM

meal1 1 cup oats protein shake
meal2 chicken breast sweet potato
meal3 protein shake+ fruit
meal4 tuna salad
train
meal5 protein shake+ kangaroo meat
but i wanna keep it fresh any ideas to mix it up?

**Coop77** · 01-26-2008, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Lfs2shrt2bsml

meal1 1 cup oats protein shake
meal2 chicken breast sweet potato
meal3 protein shake+ fruit
meal4 tuna salad
train
meal5 protein shake+ kangaroo meat
but i wanna keep it fresh any ideas to mix it up?

Wow. Kangaroo meat. That's a new one.

**Lfs2shrt2bsml** · 01-27-2008, 12:44 AM

its really lean and protein through the roof .tastes good and available all through australia....
as you can imagine

**juju** · 01-27-2008, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by Lfs2shrt2bsml

meal1 1 cup oats protein shake
meal2 chicken breast sweet potato
meal3 protein shake+ fruit
meal4 tuna salad
train
meal5 protein shake+ kangaroo meat
but i wanna keep it fresh any ideas to mix it up?

You can try add maybe one to two more meals for bulking.
And try not to drink too many shakes.

**DIESELPWR** · 01-27-2008, 01:05 AM

yeah you have 3 shakes.. i would cut out some of them.. maybe replace the first 1 with egg whites or something?

**Lfs2shrt2bsml** · 01-27-2008, 01:26 AM

whats is best to have in your system before resting for slow release?

**Bradly1234** · 01-30-2008, 04:14 PM

casein protein before bed while bulking

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 01-30-2008, 11:45 PM

You look better than you give yourself credit.. You seem to be in an ideal situation to cut and lean up before bulking, a "primer" or sorts if you will. In any case, lets look at your diet

Originally Posted by Lfs2shrt2bsml

meal1 1 cup oats protein shake
meal2 chicken breast sweet potato
meal3 protein shake+ fruit
meal4 tuna salad
train
meal5 protein shake+ kangaroo meat
but i wanna keep it fresh any ideas to mix it up?

Can't give detailed advice cuz macros aren't listed but:
- do AM cardio and keep meal 1 carb free (sub oats with egg whites and nuts)
- replace meal 3 with a proper meal
- add some complex carbs to meal 4
- remove meat from meal 5 and add some medium GI carbs (or oats)
- keep the kangaroo meat for meal 6

**Panzerfaust80** · 02-02-2008, 02:36 PM

Shakes r fine IMO.. seen great results on em... I'd leave the shakes in ur diet but add more FOOD!! that'll really put some mazz on ya

start hittin chest hard...

for cuttin just start chasin around some 'roos in the out back!! haha jk oh btw does the toilet water really rotate the other way when u flush it in austrailia??

**Lfs2shrt2bsml** · 02-02-2008, 09:54 PM

flushable toilets what? ........................ add more meals or just up the quantity?

**jeremiahkentjensen** · 02-04-2008, 11:14 PM

get into the nano vapor, its great stuff before a work out.

**brjrj0000** · 02-04-2008, 11:25 PM

i basically live off of protein shakes too bro its cheaper easier plus im cutting idk works for me i know a lot of people on the board hate it but whatever

**Kale** · 02-04-2008, 11:31 PM

My attitude is, if you cant eat it drink it. Better to get it in a shake than not at all !!!

**Noobie4LIFE** · 02-05-2008, 04:48 AM

Arms looking good.

Focus on the bigger muscles first and most. And everything will grow. And I mean heavy benches, squats, deads etc.. not little things like lat pulldowns , flys....

**Gear** · 02-05-2008, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Lfs2shrt2bsml

hi all im 21yo 82kg and still researching for my first cycle. my goal is to compete. my chest is too small for.... well even too small for a school boy. my legs are slowly coming along. im trying to cut down to under 12%bf but im struggling to get any abs . im only a new member and look forward to any help in the future. thanks guys

You are not ready to start using AAS or anything as such. Train naturally for as long as possible before thinking about using anything.

At this stage I wouldn't concentrate on competing, but concentrate on your diet and training. An additional 4kg of muscle on top of what you have will not be enough to compete.

It will all come in time, just have some patience.

Good luck.

-Gear

**Haro3** · 02-05-2008, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Bradly1234

casein protein before bed while bulking

if your lazy......

whole food before bed = way bettter such as cottage cheese, turkey sausage, salmon, something with some fat it'll digest slower

**brjrj0000** · 02-06-2008, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by Haro3

if your lazy......

whole food before bed = way bettter such as cottage cheese, turkey sausage, salmon, something with some fat it'll digest slower

BLAHHHHH hey think of all those aminos u get from the shakes though

again im not sure i buy all this ive gone both routes and both seem to work just fine but i prefer shakes esp when cutting

**brjrj0000** · 02-06-2008, 03:21 AM

btw in that pic hard to tell but id say you are 12-14 % already

**Lfs2shrt2bsml** · 02-07-2008, 11:50 PM

not sure thanks guys. id like to compete in 2-3years

**thetank** · 02-08-2008, 03:51 AM

i think this kid deserves some credit..hes bigger than 95% of anyone i know who hopped on steroids and looks pretty damn good
how long have you been training? honestly, im not gonna tell you that with your build you have no right to do steroids, because you do. youve built up a good natural base and have clearly put in some time. but get everything down, your diet, your training..find out what works for you and what doesnt...experiment with every type of routine untill you find whats ideal for you, then do a cycle when everything is down..and i assure you, you're going to be a monster.
peace
tank

**Lfs2shrt2bsml** · 02-08-2008, 05:37 AM

thanks tank ive been training for about 3.5 years. ill definatly get everything down right first. diet especially.

**chazmcgee** · 02-14-2008, 04:13 AM

just keep at it brother,

if you want it bad enough youll get there drug free.

keep up the hard work, and put some more pics of your progress up

**BIG PAPI 08** · 02-17-2008, 02:17 AM

yeah bro like everyone else is saying EAT EAT EAT. You wana get big you gotta eat big.
BTW great size for being all natural keep up the good work.

**mick86** · 02-20-2008, 11:36 AM

Lfs2shrt2bsml with a little work on ur chest & traps u will hav a solid build. I agree with
brjrj0000, in that pic u look like u have less than 14% bf. BTW u have pretty much sold me on the kangeroo meat idea, ill hav 2 giv it a go. Just 1 thing, u say that its available all through australia, do u catch the kangeroo's yourself because there arnt many roaming around in the inner suburbs of Melbourne, lol.